Sorry about that Lynne. Thought you may feel better if you read a little about the effects of Gin in England. Gin became popular after the accession of William of Orange in 1688. It provided an alternative to French Brandy at a time when there were political and religious differences with France. The government encouraged the local manufacture of gin as a way of using up low grade barley. Gin in the 18C, was described as "the principal cause of all the vice & debauchery committed among the inferior sort of people" and resulted in a "'drunken ungovernable set of people', and acquired its nickname of "Mother's Ruin". Before we condemn, we should remember that the conditions in the Gin Palaces, as the Gin Shops became known, were often much better than the homes in which the customers lived. and of course the gin would give them the "Dutch Courage" to carry on the daily drudgery of their lives. The tobacco smoke did not help, but they were not aware of its effects. Often entertainment was provided by itinerant bands of musicians. and such games as dominoes were popular. By 1740 the production of gin had increased to six times that of beer and because of its cheapness it became popular with the working classes. In London alone there were more than 7,500 gin houses - more than half of all drinking establishments. The total population of London at that time was about 750,000. Beer however had something of a reputation as a healthy drink as it was safer than water -small ale was manufactured primarily as an alternative to drinking unsafe water (remember the grave at Winchester Cathedral). Believing that Gin was responsible for the drunkenness and lawlessness of the working classes, the government in 1739 enacted the Gin Act which imposed high taxes on retailers. However the resulting riots caused the government to reduce the taxes. The 1751 Gin Act however was more successful. It forced distillers to sell only to licensed retailers and brought gin-shops under the jurisdiction of local magistrates. The Wine and Beerhouse Act 1869 re-introduced the stricter controls of the previous century. Of course many Brits now maintain that their reason for talking their gin is because the quinine in the tonic helps prevent malaria. It was a very popular drink in the Colonial Service.. Malaria is not a major health risk in North America which may explain why whisk(e)y is more popular.. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "lynne robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] beerhouse keeper Elizabeth Little > Thanks, I guess :) > > Seems as if my ancestor was responsible for great devastation. On the other > hand, maybe its compensated for by the fact that, in Canada, one of my > relatives was a noted campaigner to make alcohol illegal. > > Lynne > > Quoting David Parker <[email protected]>: > > >> The The Beer House Act of 1830 was passed by the government of the Duke of >> Wellington with the aim of eliminating the evil influence of cheap gin and >> other sprits in the lives of the working class and to promote the healthier >> influence of beer. A licencee could not sell spirits. The act which enabled >> anyone liable for the poor rate to purchase a license for 2 guineas may not >> have reduced the consumption of spirits but did result in a large growth of >> beer houses in the urban working class area and an increase in the >> consumption of beer. Over 24,000 licences were issued in 1830 alone. It >> permitted an individual to sell beer from his own home or store, and had a >> devastating social effect on the working class and a disastrous economic >> effect on the established alcoholic beverage trade. > >> In the coming years restriction were gradually imposed and then recently >> reduced. >> >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "lynne robinson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] beerhouse keeper Elizabeth Little >> >> >>> HI all, >>> >>> Since it seems to be a quiet time, I wonder if the "gang" has any insights >>> on >>> how a "beerhouse keeper" would operate. This was my ggrandmother's >>> mother's >>> occupation in Portsea. She lived at 2 Green Rd. Artillery Arms. Would it >>> be >>> likely that this was also her "premises"? The Artillery Arms sounds like a >>> beerhouse to me. Would anyone know anything about this place? >>> >>> Thanks all. >>> >>> Lynne > >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

o.k. Boss On 27 Jan 2007, at 11:52, jonnixey.fh wrote: > Hi Linda & Tony, > > That Email turned up Three times? Repetition for emphasis maybe??? > > Surnames of interest for me in the Fareham, Portsmouth and Gosport > areas: > Albray (and all variants), Uniacke, Steptoe, Norster, Lloyds, Habens, > Civil, > Rathmell, Aspey, Fletcher, Childs, Parsons, Davies, Yelland. > > Regards to all, Jon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Weird only sent message once too Jon. No definite connections with your names yet either. Have a good weekend all. Linda & Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonnixey.fh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] no more test messages please nameinterestsinstead > Hi Linda & Tony, > > That Email turned up Three times? Repetition for emphasis maybe??? > > Surnames of interest for me in the Fareham, Portsmouth and Gosport areas: > Albray (and all variants), Uniacke, Steptoe, Norster, Lloyds, Habens, > Civil, > Rathmell, Aspey, Fletcher, Childs, Parsons, Davies, Yelland. > > Regards to all, Jon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Thanks, I guess :) Seems as if my ancestor was responsible for great devastation. On the other hand, maybe its compensated for by the fact that, in Canada, one of my relatives was a noted campaigner to make alcohol illegal. Lynne Quoting David Parker <[email protected]>: > The The Beer House Act of 1830 was passed by the government of the Duke of > Wellington with the aim of eliminating the evil influence of cheap gin and > other sprits in the lives of the working class and to promote the healthier > influence of beer. A licencee could not sell spirits. The act which enabled > anyone liable for the poor rate to purchase a license for 2 guineas may not > have reduced the consumption of spirits but did result in a large growth of > beer houses in the urban working class area and an increase in the > consumption of beer. Over 24,000 licences were issued in 1830 alone. It > permitted an individual to sell beer from his own home or store, and had a > devastating social effect on the working class and a disastrous economic > effect on the established alcoholic beverage trade. > In the coming years restriction were gradually imposed and then recently > reduced. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lynne robinson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] beerhouse keeper Elizabeth Little > > >> HI all, >> >> Since it seems to be a quiet time, I wonder if the "gang" has any insights >> on >> how a "beerhouse keeper" would operate. This was my ggrandmother's >> mother's >> occupation in Portsea. She lived at 2 Green Rd. Artillery Arms. Would it >> be >> likely that this was also her "premises"? The Artillery Arms sounds like a >> beerhouse to me. Would anyone know anything about this place? >> >> Thanks all. >> >> Lynne >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message

Hi Linda & Tony, That Email turned up Three times? Repetition for emphasis maybe??? Surnames of interest for me in the Fareham, Portsmouth and Gosport areas: Albray (and all variants), Uniacke, Steptoe, Norster, Lloyds, Habens, Civil, Rathmell, Aspey, Fletcher, Childs, Parsons, Davies, Yelland. Regards to all, Jon

Rather than post test messages why not post name interests much more interesting. We will start with NEWBERY & variants for a starter. Anywhere Hampshire,Gosport,Portsea,Isle of Wight & other Counties for all years. Linda & Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Hargreaves" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Test..... > > Just a quick test... Unless I have a problem, the lists are very, very > quiet - I've had just one message in over 24 hours... Anyone else > getting messages or is it just ver quiet!! > > Cheers! > > Alison > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Rather than post test messages why not post name interests much more interesting. We will start with NEWBERY & variants for a starter. Anywhere Hampshire,Gosport,Portsea,Isle of Wight & other Counties for all years. Linda & Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Hargreaves" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Test..... > > Just a quick test... Unless I have a problem, the lists are very, very > quiet - I've had just one message in over 24 hours... Anyone else > getting messages or is it just ver quiet!! > > Cheers! > > Alison > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Rather than post test messages why not post name interests much more interesting. We will start with NEWBERY & variants for a starter. Anywhere Hampshire,Gosport,Portsea,Isle of Wight & other Counties for all years. Linda & Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Hargreaves" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Test..... > > Just a quick test... Unless I have a problem, the lists are very, very > quiet - I've had just one message in over 24 hours... Anyone else > getting messages or is it just ver quiet!! > > Cheers! > > Alison > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hi Ali, You can always check what's been going on at the archives for this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT/ Kindest regards, Jon

Rather than post test messages why not post name interests much more interesting. Archives can be checked on any lists to see whether any postings have been missed. We will start with NEWBERY & variants for a starter. Anywhere Hampshire,Gosport,Portsea,Isle of Wight & other Counties for all years. Linda & Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Hargreaves" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Test..... > > Just a quick test... Unless I have a problem, the lists are very, very > quiet - I've had just one message in over 24 hours... Anyone else > getting messages or is it just ver quiet!! > > Cheers! > > Alison > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Many thanks for the look-up....gives me a little more to go on.

Hi folks, Have you checked the excellent IOW FHS site for your lost ones? I hope you are not losing your touch! Edna ~ frosty Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda & Tony" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] CUMPSTY James CUMPSTY married into one of our TAYLOR lines in 1848 on the Isle of Wight.There were 3 children we have found all born Isle of Wight but have had no luck finding them in any censuses 1851 + . Any sightings would be most appreciated or any connections. We have tried all possible variations thought of ie CUMPSTY without the P & IE at the end and have trawled through censuses to no avail. Thanks Linda & Tony ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hope someone can offer up some ideas on this one because I've hit a brick wall. Hannah Little marries James Huckle 1849 St Mary's Portsea. Two Children Emma 1847 and James 1850. On 28 June 1853 Hannah marries George Knowler Coppins (b.1819 Egerton Kent) St. Mary's Portsea, presumably she is widowed. In the 1861 census there is no sign of Hannah and George Coppins is using the last name Brown. Have searched for Hannah Huckle/Coppins/Little in all online records but to no avail. In all the consecutive census returns George call himself George C. Brown (except 1871, just Coppins). He then aquires 6 children all born in Christchurch with the last name of Coppins-Brown. Where did they come from? Adoption? One of the children ( Sarah C. Brown) is traceable on the 1871 census, she is with a wet-nurse in Christchurch. George also marries his long-time housekeeper in 1890 a few months before she dies. Why change his name? What happened to Hannah? Is he guilty of something sinister? Maybe someone could look up the 1853 Coppins/Huckle marriage in the parish register?? Any, and all, suggestions welcome! Confused Sarah

Just a quick test... Unless I have a problem, the lists are very, very quiet - I've had just one message in over 24 hours... Anyone else getting messages or is it just ver quiet!! Cheers! Alison

Hi all, Another question. My Portsmouth family history is chock-full of sailors who never appear on censuses and are very hard to track down. (Perhaps not surprising.) If a sailor died at sea, how would his death be registered? I assume that it would be different if he was in the RN or not. I have found some sites giving information on where naval and military records are stored but nothing seems to be online yet. Is there any easier way to find information? Linda and Tony, I am wondering if it is possible to have a way to upload Portsmouth family pedigrees to your site, just as one can do for Ancestry.com and the LDS family search. Even the LDS is now selling its geneological records (although a lot is still free) and I would like to see a place where family records can be shared freely with others. I know some folks have created their own family websites but many of us wouldn't want to go to that effort. Any thoughts? Lynne Quoting Linda & Tony <[email protected]>: > Perhaps some of you have queries relating to a place name or road that > existed in the area? > Or maybe an update on some possible new connections? > Like Jean said earlier the lists are quieter perhaps because of more easy > access to records online so no problem answering Jean on list. > See you soon. > Linda & Tony > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

HI all, Since it seems to be a quiet time, I wonder if the "gang" has any insights on how a "beerhouse keeper" would operate. This was my ggrandmother's mother's occupation in Portsea. She lived at 2 Green Rd. Artillery Arms. Would it be likely that this was also her "premises"? The Artillery Arms sounds like a beerhouse to me. Would anyone know anything about this place? Thanks all. Lynne Quoting Linda & Tony <[email protected]>: > Perhaps some of you have queries relating to a place name or road that > existed in the area? > Or maybe an update on some possible new connections? > Like Jean said earlier the lists are quieter perhaps because of more easy > access to records online so no problem answering Jean on list. > See you soon. > Linda & Tony > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

The The Beer House Act of 1830 was passed by the government of the Duke of Wellington with the aim of eliminating the evil influence of cheap gin and other sprits in the lives of the working class and to promote the healthier influence of beer. A licencee could not sell spirits. The act which enabled anyone liable for the poor rate to purchase a license for 2 guineas may not have reduced the consumption of spirits but did result in a large growth of beer houses in the urban working class area and an increase in the consumption of beer. Over 24,000 licences were issued in 1830 alone. It permitted an individual to sell beer from his own home or store, and had a devastating social effect on the working class and a disastrous economic effect on the established alcoholic beverage trade. In the coming years restriction were gradually imposed and then recently reduced. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "lynne robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] beerhouse keeper Elizabeth Little > HI all, > > Since it seems to be a quiet time, I wonder if the "gang" has any insights > on > how a "beerhouse keeper" would operate. This was my ggrandmother's > mother's > occupation in Portsea. She lived at 2 Green Rd. Artillery Arms. Would it > be > likely that this was also her "premises"? The Artillery Arms sounds like a > beerhouse to me. Would anyone know anything about this place? > > Thanks all. > > Lynne > > Quoting Linda & Tony <[email protected]>: > >> Perhaps some of you have queries relating to a place name or road that >> existed in the area? >> Or maybe an update on some possible new connections? >> Like Jean said earlier the lists are quieter perhaps because of more easy >> access to records online so no problem answering Jean on list. >> See you soon. >> Linda & Tony >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hi, Looking for Hampshire family of William Henry Knight (b. 1921) and went to Canada departing from Liverpool. Edna - Ottawa

Hi all, This seems like a long shot, but I am trying to track descendents of Sarah Little and William Hellyer. In the 1891 Census, the family was living in Portsmouth. Sarah and William had four children (as well as my grandfather, Charles Hellyer): Birthdates: Name: William Charles Hellyer Year of Registration: 1888 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Portsea Island (1837-1900) County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 419 Name: Annie Elizabeth Hellyer Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Havant County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 413 Name: Frederick James Hellyer Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Portsea Island (1837-1900) County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 415 Name: Gladys Maud Hellyer Year of Registration: 1905 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw) County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 499 All of the children except for Annie eventually emigrated to Canada and I have some knowledge of them here. Annie apparently married, was widowed (possibly through WWI) and married again. The married name my mother knew was Annie Hall. She had two children, "Dolly" and (perhaps) Lilly. I would particularly like to know about those descendents. I searched the BMD but couldn't find a marriage to "Hall" although I did find what may be the early marriage to either Bowman or Holtham. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Lynne Any info would be helpful.

Peter Gawn wrote >Does anyone know about the Portsmouth Vignettes? This would seem to be >a series of publications. I'm interested in No. 10, "The elusive >Burneys", by 'JM'. I don't know the publication date or anything else >about it. I found the reference in a bibliography that is part of a >1999 dissertation about Burney's Academy in Gosport. They appear to have been a series of articles in The Portsmouth Reader, a quarterly magazine. -- Jenny M Benson