Hello all Today we have uploaded as follows: WHERWELL BAPTISMS 1741 1783 - transcribed by DIZ SWIFT FORDINGBRIDGE MARRIAGES 1840-44 transcribed by LIZ LANE BOURNEMOUTH - ST STEPHENS - MARRIAGES 1902-1930 transcribed by Sue Dunn You can check on these and all of the other transcriptions FREE online at www.knightroots.co.uk and click on Online Transcriptions. We are always looking for donations of transcriptions or microfiche, village histories and photographs (must be your own copyright) or of course, volunteer transcribers. Contact [email protected] for details. Take care Linda & Tony Hampshire OPC Co-ordinators ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all Today we have uploaded as follows: WHERWELL BAPTISMS 1741 1783 - transcribed by DIZ SWIFT FORDINGBRIDGE MARRIAGES 1840-44 transcribed by LIZ LANE BOURNEMOUTH - ST STEPHENS - MARRIAGES 1902-1930 transcribed by Sue Dunn You can check on these and all of the other transcriptions FREE online at www.knightroots.co.uk and click on Online Transcriptions. We are always looking for donations of transcriptions or microfiche, village histories and photographs (must be your own copyright) or of course, volunteer transcribers. Contact [email protected] for details. Take care Linda & Tony Hampshire OPC Co-ordinators

Hello, Lynne. Yes, you are entirely correct in your surmise that "Run" means that he ran away in other words, he deserted. Ken. (in West Sussex, UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Digest, Vol 2, Issue 39 Re: NAVAL RECORDS JOHN LITTLE (lynne robinson) Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:50:51 -0400 From: lynne robinson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] NAVAL RECORDS JOHN LITTLE To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Ian and Mike. Unfortunately, John Little simply doesn't appear in documentsonline at all. Presumably he would have left the Royal Navy before 1873, when the records start. This fits with what Mike suggested. On the other hand, we did find my husband's direct ancestor in documentsonline. According to the doc, he enlisted on 2 April 1896 for 12 years. There is a note that, as of Feb. 29th, '96, he transferred from the Royal Marines to the Royal Navy. Here's the puzzle. His actual service in the RN lasted from April 2 1896 to August 2, 1896, clearly MUCH less than 12 years. Under the column "If discharged, for what cause?" it states "Run" quite clearly. A note at the bottom adds Run 2-8-96 Karachi (Brisk). Brisk is the name of the ship he was on. In fact his entire service record is one line and, amusingly, the authorities have drawn a line under his record and added a second one underneath. We wonder if "Run" means he "ran away"? or could this possibly be something else? Thanks, Lynne Quoting Ian Thirlwell <[email protected]>: > Lynne, > > if you find his post 1873 record in documentsonline and he also served > before then, the post 1873 record should also give you his earlier > Continuous Service (CS) number. These are in three series from 1853 to > 1872 and you need to check if the CS number has a suffix a or b is is > without a suffix. This number, including suffix of present, can be used > to order the earlier service record from ADM 139 in the National Archives. > There's explanation of all this in Tracing Your Naval Ancestors by Bruno > Pappalardo. > > Cheers, > Ian > > lynne robinson wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> That's very helpful. Its difficult for me to judge how the class >> system might >> have worked at that time. Just to be sure I understand, my >> gggrandfather, the >> petty officer, would have been a COMMISSIONED officer and therefore likely >> wouldn't have left the Navy until he died or retired? >> >> How likely is it that he died on land and had his death recorded there? >> I can't >> find him in the online Royal Navy lists and, since they start at 1873, he >> should be there unless he died or retired prior to that. I guess he >> could have >> been invalided out since he likely would have been too young to retire. >> >> Any clues as to his likely life history are helpful since I have had great >> difficulty in being sure I have the right John Little. >> >> Hope you are enjoying your retirement, Mike. Thanks for taking time to help >> those of us who are still slaving away. >> >> >> Lynne >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT Digest, Vol 2, Issue 39 *********************************************************

Hi Anne, In 1755 the H.M. Marine Forces were formed as the successors to the Army Marine Regiments. A total of 50 companies were formed based at Chatham, Portsmouth and Plymouth. Recruitment would have taken place throughout the country, so he did not necessarily enlist in Woodbridge. You state for example that his brother went to Harwich. Robert could have accompanied, preceded or followed him, and enlisted there or anywhere between there and Chatham, including London. There is a cemetery associated with Hasler Hospital so your man could have been buried there. Perhaps Linda and Tony have some information. "The venereals" were fairly common to Navy personnel at that time (HM Marine Forces came under control of the Admiralty not the Army) As many as 39% of HMS Bounty suffered from it, but this was somewhat extreme HMS Guernsey in 1765 was with Capt Cook in Newfoundland, surveying the south coast. If your man were not married, and not on good terms with his family, it would not be out of the ordinary to leave his estate to another man, but the wording of the will could suggest a reason - debt, friendship, or something else. David But what are 'Whobbies'? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chambers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Haslar Hospital > One of my ancestors was Robert MORTLEMAN, baptised 1738 in Sudbury > Suffolk. He was a marine on the 'Guernsey'and died in Haslar Hospital > in 1767 (His will, made while he was in the Hospital was probated in > April 1767. He left all his possessions to a ship's chandler, Robert > GRIGGS, which seems a bit puzzling). > > I have a couple of questions which listers may be able to answer: > > 1. How would a nice Suffolk boy (he was 28 when he died) have come to > join the Royal Marines ? His brother (baptised at the same time, but > not necessarily the same age) went to Harwich, Essex, and ended up > owning a Post Office Packet, taking mail to the Continent. > > 2. Where might Robert be buried - and would there be any record ? > > A friend looked up his service record for me at TNA, but only noted that > a) he suffered from 'the venereals' and b) he had a tobacco allowance > amd c) he was on the Guernsey in 1765, when the ship's company was > terrorised by the call of the 'Whobbies' > http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~insrisg/nature/nw00/814whobbies.html > > I'd appreciate any information. > > Anne > South Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hi Lynne, I just spotted I wrote pre 1973 at the beginning of my last message. This should, of course, have read pre 1873. Ian lynne robinson wrote: > Hi Ian and Mike. > > Thanks for confirming what we felt was likely, that the "Run" means > deserted and > for the info about how common it is. > > Thanks so much also for the very specific info about how to search these > records. Because I know so very little about this man, and haven't even > found a > marriage between him and the mother of my ggrandmother, this will likely be > necessary. He is named on my ggrandmother's birth certificate and as > her father > on her marriage certificate, but beyond that, and the children who appear in > the censuses with the surname "Little", we haven't definitively linked a > specific John Little to the family. > > Lynne > > Quoting Ian Thirlwell <[email protected]>: > > >> Hi Lynne, >> it's possible that there will be pre 1973 records,

Hi everyone, I'd love to hear from anyone with connections to the above named families in the Gosport area. Percy Douglas albray married Alice Mary Steptoe at Fulham in 1902, Percy gave his address as the Albray family home, 41 Lavinia Rd, Gosport. Alice's brother, Thomas William Benjamin Steptoe, married Ena Norster at Gosport in 1917. They had 2 children, Kathleen Ena 1919 and Enid Emmeline 1926. Kathleen married Charles George Richard Albray at Gosport in 1943. Charles GR Albray was Percy Albray's nephew. Any connections out there to these families please? Kind regards, Jon

Hello again Lynne, You are right - does not look like a connection! I will keep your message on file however - you never know! So many John Little, Thomas Little etc.all connected to the sea, - I think they may eventually be traced further north - particularly if yours was a coal miner! Best of luck Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "lynne robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] JOHN LITTLE Portsmouth > Hi Brenda, > > Wish I could compare notes. As I mentioned in my thanks to Mike and Ian, all I > know about John Little is that he is the father of Alfred J.P. Little, > abt 1862 > Charles Little, abt 1865; Sarah Little, abt 1869; Robert Little, abt 1870, > Elizabeth Little Age, abt 1873 and Clyde L. MCL. Little, abt 1876. They were > all born in Portsmouth to Elizabeth Little, nee Toms, earlier married to > Frederick Parkes (also a seaman). By the 1881 census, she was a widower. > > I found a "John Little" in the Royal Navy that could POTENTIALLY be the right > person, and haven't been able to rule him out by any means (e.g. living past > 1881, married to someone else in the crucial periods, etc.) This John Little > appears in the 1841, 51 and 61 censuses: > 1841 England Census > Census > Name: John Little > Birth: abt 1836 - Somerset, England > Residence: 1841 - Corston, Corston, Somerset, England > > 1851 England Census > Census > Name: John Little > Birth: abt 1836 - Corston, Somerset, England > Residence: 1851 - Bristol St George, Gloucestershire, England > > 1861 England Census > Name: John Little > Birth: abt 1835 - Bristol, Somerset, England > Residence: 1861 - Canton River China, Vessels, Royal Navy, England > > This John Little's parents are William and Elizabeth and William is a coal > miner. Doesn't seem like a match for anyone of yours, but who knows, maybe > someone will recognize one of our John Littles and help us out. > > Best of luck in your search. > > Lynne > > > Quoting "brenda.davison" <[email protected]>: > > > Lynne, I have several John Littles in my FH in Portsmouth.Can we > > compare notes?? > > My 2xGt.grandfather John was born about 1806 son of Thomas and > > Elizabeth(Bulbick) > > He had a brother Joseph and they both baptised sons John > > in 1837. > > I also have a John with a daughter Ann Walker. > > Brenda in Suffolk > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not to worry Jon quality may vary at places. Linda & Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonnixey.fh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] E.L. - I.L. etc Pensioner > Hi again Tony and Linda, > > Well, all I know is that 3 people have looked at that fiche, one at > Gosport > 2 at Portsmouth, and all 3 said what a dreadful condition it was in. So, > being as me peepers don't work, I can only go by what I'm told ennit? > lol. > Thanks again for your time and help, very much appreciated. Regards, > > Jon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hi again Tony and Linda, Well, all I know is that 3 people have looked at that fiche, one at Gosport 2 at Portsmouth, and all 3 said what a dreadful condition it was in. So, being as me peepers don't work, I can only go by what I'm told ennit? lol. Thanks again for your time and help, very much appreciated. Regards, Jon

Jon the fiche entry was in v good condition and no problem reading. The Bucklitch? was squashed in the box making it difficult to read. Take care,Linda & Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonnixey.fh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] E.L. - I.L. etc Pensioner > Hi Linda and tony, > > Thanks very much for your help on this, I was told that the entry in > question was in extremely poor condition, and Edward's 2nd forename > extremely difficult to make out. A quick look on google reveals that > Bucklitch is a surname, so there's probably a link there somewhere. Other > possible spellings of that name brought up no results at all. Once again, > thanks for your help, > > kind regards, Jon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hi Linda and tony, Thanks very much for your help on this, I was told that the entry in question was in extremely poor condition, and Edward's 2nd forename extremely difficult to make out. A quick look on google reveals that Bucklitch is a surname, so there's probably a link there somewhere. Other possible spellings of that name brought up no results at all. Once again, thanks for your help, kind regards, Jon

Hi Jon No mention of any kind of pensioner! Full transcription as follows: Page 204 No 408 October 9 1915 - Edward Bucklitch?? PATERSON, 25, bachelor, Electrician, of 10 Hambrook Rd married Florence Kate ALBERY, 20 spinster, 10 Hambrook Rd, by licence. Fathers: Alexander PATERSON Deceased, Clerk and Edward ALBERY, soldier Both signed Witnesses: Henry ALBRAY and Henrietta ALBERY Hope this helps Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jonnixey.fh Sent: 12 February 2007 22:56 To: Rootsweb Portsmouth Gosport Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] E.L. - I.L. etc Pensioner Hi Linda and Tony, Thanks for the offer of help, another pair of eyes is always useful in a case like this. The date is October 9th, 1915 at St Johns Forton. The couple being married are Edward Paterson and Florence Albery. Many thanks again, and kind regards, Jon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all Today we have uploaded as follows: HAMBLEDON MARRIAGES 1837-1930 - FICHE DONATED BY EDNA & KEN MARLOW of Canada - TRANSCRIBED BY KNIGHTROOTS GOODWORTH CLATFORD BAPS 1813-1930 TRANSCRIBED BY DIZ SWIFT Thanks to all of our volunteers. You can check on these and all of the other transcriptions FREE online at www.knightroots.co.uk and click on Online Transcriptions. We are always looking for donations of transcriptions or microfiche, village histories and photographs (must be your own copyright)or of course, volunteer transcribers. Contact [email protected] for details. Take care Linda & Tony Hampshire OPC Co-ordinators

Hi Linda and Tony, Thanks for the offer of help, another pair of eyes is always useful in a case like this. The date is October 9th, 1915 at St Johns Forton. The couple being married are Edward Paterson and Florence Albery. Many thanks again, and kind regards, Jon

Hi Brenda, Wish I could compare notes. As I mentioned in my thanks to Mike and Ian, all I know about John Little is that he is the father of Alfred J.P. Little, abt 1862 Charles Little, abt 1865; Sarah Little, abt 1869; Robert Little, abt 1870, Elizabeth Little Age, abt 1873 and Clyde L. MCL. Little, abt 1876. They were all born in Portsmouth to Elizabeth Little, nee Toms, earlier married to Frederick Parkes (also a seaman). By the 1881 census, she was a widower. I found a "John Little" in the Royal Navy that could POTENTIALLY be the right person, and haven't been able to rule him out by any means (e.g. living past 1881, married to someone else in the crucial periods, etc.) This John Little appears in the 1841, 51 and 61 censuses: 1841 England Census Census Name: John Little Birth: abt 1836 - Somerset, England Residence: 1841 - Corston, Corston, Somerset, England 1851 England Census Census Name: John Little Birth: abt 1836 - Corston, Somerset, England Residence: 1851 - Bristol St George, Gloucestershire, England 1861 England Census Name: John Little Birth: abt 1835 - Bristol, Somerset, England Residence: 1861 - Canton River China, Vessels, Royal Navy, England This John Little's parents are William and Elizabeth and William is a coal miner. Doesn't seem like a match for anyone of yours, but who knows, maybe someone will recognize one of our John Littles and help us out. Best of luck in your search. Lynne Quoting "brenda.davison" <[email protected]>: > Lynne, I have several John Littles in my FH in Portsmouth.Can we > compare notes?? > My 2xGt.grandfather John was born about 1806 son of Thomas and > Elizabeth(Bulbick) > He had a brother Joseph and they both baptised sons John > in 1837. > I also have a John with a daughter Ann Walker. > Brenda in Suffolk >

Hi Jan, I don't know if you've already seen it or not but there's a photo in tonight's evening News of the Home Guard. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAN HIBBERD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:24 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] gosport home guard > I've been given two photographs of the Gosport Home Guard. > > There are no names on it, nor a date but if anybody would like a copy, let > me know. > > Also, has anybody else got any photos of the Home Guard, as my grandfather > was in it and it would be great to get a photo of him. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hi Ian and Mike. Thanks for confirming what we felt was likely, that the "Run" means deserted and for the info about how common it is. Thanks so much also for the very specific info about how to search these records. Because I know so very little about this man, and haven't even found a marriage between him and the mother of my ggrandmother, this will likely be necessary. He is named on my ggrandmother's birth certificate and as her father on her marriage certificate, but beyond that, and the children who appear in the censuses with the surname "Little", we haven't definitively linked a specific John Little to the family. Lynne Quoting Ian Thirlwell <[email protected]>: > Hi Lynne, > it's possible that there will be pre 1973 records, the problem though is > finding them. There are files with surname indexes but they aren't > searchable online. Reading from Pappalardo's book, sevice between 1853 > and 1872 is split into two in the indexes: 1853-1862, and 1863-1872. For > surnames beginning K to R the earlier index is in ADM 139/1021, the > later in ADM 139/1025. From these you can obtain the CS number to look > for the actual service record. I haven't gone through this procedure > myself so don't know how easy it is to search the indexes. If they are > straightforwardly in name alphabetic order, the National Archives may be > able to find the entry for a particular name within their allotted time > through an estimate request. > > "Run" means basically deserted. It appears quite frequently in the > records, much more, perhaps, than you'd expect. > Cheers, > Ian

Thanks Sharon. I had bought the paper but hadn't read it. Unfortunately he isn't in the picture but thanks anyway Jan Sharon Davage <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Jan, I don't know if you've already seen it or not but there's a photo in tonight's evening News of the Home Guard. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAN HIBBERD" To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:24 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] gosport home guard > I've been given two photographs of the Gosport Home Guard. > > There are no names on it, nor a date but if anybody would like a copy, let > me know. > > Also, has anybody else got any photos of the Home Guard, as my grandfather > was in it and it would be great to get a photo of him. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

....or Electric Light pensioner - used to work for the electric company. Which church and date? - if we have the fiche here, we'll check it out for you. Regards Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: jonnixey.fh [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 February 2007 17:08 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Fw: Occupation query Hi Jenny, Thanks for your suggestion, I really appreciate it! I'm having the PR double checked in the next day or so, so hopefully your suggestion will help to clarify the groom's occupaition. Thanks once again, kind regards, Jon

One of my ancestors was Robert MORTLEMAN, baptised 1738 in Sudbury Suffolk. He was a marine on the 'Guernsey'and died in Haslar Hospital in 1767 (His will, made while he was in the Hospital was probated in April 1767. He left all his possessions to a ship's chandler, Robert GRIGGS, which seems a bit puzzling). I have a couple of questions which listers may be able to answer: 1. How would a nice Suffolk boy (he was 28 when he died) have come to join the Royal Marines ? His brother (baptised at the same time, but not necessarily the same age) went to Harwich, Essex, and ended up owning a Post Office Packet, taking mail to the Continent. 2. Where might Robert be buried - and would there be any record ? A friend looked up his service record for me at TNA, but only noted that a) he suffered from 'the venereals' and b) he had a tobacco allowance amd c) he was on the Guernsey in 1765, when the ship's company was terrorised by the call of the 'Whobbies' http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~insrisg/nature/nw00/814whobbies.html I'd appreciate any information. Anne South Australia