Hi bob, Could it be that Stephen and his wife split up, she ended up living with someone who was a merchant seaman as if he was her husband? Divorce was out of the question for the majority back then. I've learned not to assume that someone is alive just because it doesn't state "deceased" on a certificate or baptism entry, as I've found numerous occasions where that thought has been disproved. All the best, Jon

I am hoping someone may help solve my mystery I have had since stating my family search and as it is a little quiet I thought some of you sleuths could help with a few suggestions. I have laid out all the notes that I have amassed which is the following, I know its a bit long but saves a lot of questions. What happened to Stephen Henry Newell Stephen Henry Newell was born on 26th February 1838 in Stedham, Sussex, the son of James Newell and Priscilla nee Weeks. Stephen married Mary Boxall on the 1st of January 1861 in Trotton, Sussex. In the 1861 Census RAG/145 Page 7 Schedule 35 he is living with his wife Mary in Garden House, Milland Lane, Trotton Sussex listed as a Grocer and Baker. In the 1871 Census RAG/825 Schedule 22 Page 23 Bramley, Surrey there is listed but now as Henry SO Newell born Stedham aged 37, this of course would make him a different age, but the similarities of being born in Stedham and being a baker would make it a high possibility of him being the same person. He is working and lodging as a Bread baker at 22 Rushet Common, Bramley, Surrey, whilst his wife and four children Mary Louisa born 1863 in Milland Sussex, Emily born 1866 Brighton, Harry (this is Henry my Grandfather) born 1868 Portsmouth, Hampshire and Alfred born 1870 in Brighton Sussex, are living at 77 Nightingale Road Farncombe, Surrey. Living with Mary was her brother Thomas Boxall. In the 1881 Census RAG/1066 Folio 78 Page 1 Stephen is again working and boarding away at St Johns College, Hurstpierpoint, Sussex as Head Baker and Domestic Servant whilst in the 1881 Census RAG/1143 Page 38 Schedule 183 his wife is now living with her children and two new additions, Eva born 1872 in Godalming Surrey and Kate born 1874 in Cranleigh Surrey. She is now listed as living at 18 Arnaud Street Portsea, Hampshire but she is strangely listed as being a seaman's wife. I have never found out why she listed him as a Merchant Seaman and have no way at the moment in finding out if he actually did join the merchant service. In the 1891 Census RG 12/870 Sched 49 Page 89 this occupation of her husband is repeated. Stephen is again not listed and there is no trace of him in the census. Mary is living alone with lodgers at 13 Durham Street Portsea where she is listed as still being married and a Merchant seaman's wife. In 1893 Stephen's son Henry married Sarah Elizabeth Waters on 1st April 1893 at St James Church Milton, Portsmouth and on their Marriage certificate his father was again listed as Henry Stephen Newell, occupation a Baker. By the 1901 Census RG13/1007 Schedule 239 Page 129 Mary is living at 42 Harold Road, Southsea listed as a widow, so our Stephen died somewhere between 1891 and 1901 but if he was alive at his sons wedding, and he could have been as there was no deceased by his name, then it would bring it down to between 1893 and 1901. There is no record of death for him in this period. Conclusion: It is highly likely that the Stephen Henry and Henry Stephen apart from one instance of age difference are the same person as he is always working away when Mary is alone with the children. Was there some reason why Mary listed him as a merchant seaman when it is obvious from the censuses that he was a baker, unless he joined the merchant service after the 1881 census, but then he was listed as a baker on his son's marriage certificate in 1893. Did he return to being a baker just prior to this? Stephens other children were married in 1890 and 1891 perhaps getting certificates for these would give some further clues.

My two cents worth: They were separated but she did not want that fact known because of religion, respectability; whatever her reason. Saying her husband was a seaman would explain why he was not in the house at the time. Cynthia Warn New York

Hi, Could the Baker have worked on a ship and gone overseas? Edna - Ottawa

Apologies trimmed down message but have added some extra words back in to make sense of our reply. Linda and Tony Hello Joan You could post to the list you minght find some new relatives or links. Try the GRO index IF you know approx age for births and go back and forth for them you should then get the maiden name then you can check for marriages. Hope this helps, Linda and Tony Joan Colmer Sent: 26 May 2008 06:10 To: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Names Hello, I have a list of names and addresses found in a notebook belonging to my grandfather of people in Hampshire. They would be pre 1958 and I am wondering if there is some way of finding out who these people may have been. I know most of them are relatives of my grandparents, however I would like to know where they fit into the family. Kind regards, Joan. Sydney. Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joan You could post to the list find some new relatives or links. Try the GRO index IF you know approx age for births and go back and forth for them you should then get the maiden name then you can check for marriages. Hope this helps, Linda and Tony -----Original Message----- From: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norm & Joan Colmer Sent: 26 May 2008 06:10 To: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Names Hello, I have a list of names and addresses found in a notebook belonging to my grandfather of people in Hampshire. They would be pre 1958 and I am wondering if there is some way of finding out who these people may have been. I know most of them are relatives of my grandparents, however I would like to know where they fit into the family. Kind regards, Joan. Sydney. Australia.

Another handy site: http://www.theshipslist.com/pictures/index.htm Edna - Ottawa

A good site: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Coastguards/Table.html Edna - Ottawa

There are subscribers to this list with Knight connections. Perhaps Arthur Egerton Knight figures in their family history. In this evening's Portsmouth News is an article about this Pompey footballer of the 1920s, having moved here in 1908. He also played for England in the 1912 and 1920 summer Olympics. He is buried in a marked grave in Highland Road Cemetery and the friends of the cemetery have been trying to track down his family to help maintain the grave. There are other names on the headstone, pictured in the newspaper, with the surname Clark. Ian

A piece on him ~~~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Knight Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Thirlwell" <mcinnes.fh@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Arthur Egerton Knight There are subscribers to this list with Knight connections. Perhaps Arthur Egerton Knight figures in their family history. In this evening's Portsmouth News is an article about this Pompey footballer of the 1920s, having moved here in 1908. He also played for England in the 1912 and 1920 summer Olympics. He is buried in a marked grave in Highland Road Cemetery and the friends of the cemetery have been trying to track down his family to help maintain the grave. There are other names on the headstone, pictured in the newspaper, with the surname Clark. Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Frank, St Mary Portsea is the original parish on Portsea Island dating from about 1170. Several churches were built on the site, the present one in 1889. The church is sometimes referred to as St Mary's Kingston since that is the name of the district of Portsmouth in which it is located. This is more or less in the centre of Portsea Island making it a little difficult for parishioners to get to hence the construction of other churches at first close to the Dockyard and later in the developing suburban areas such as Southsea. Many of the new churches were assigned parishes carved out of the parish of Portsea. St Thomas Portsmouth is the parish church of what is sometimes called Old Portsmouth, the area at the entrance to Portsmouth Harbour. This settlement dates from the end of the 12th century and became the only compact "town" on Portsea Island until housing and so on grew rapidly outside the Royal Dockyard, a little further up the Harbour, at the end of the 18th century. St Thomas became the parish church in 1320 and was raised to cathedral status in 1927. Until the latter part of the 19th century Portsmouth and Portsea were separate walled towns. The were not finally amalgamated until 1926 when the city of Portsmouth was created, taking in all of Portsea Island. It's an island because it is separated from the rest of Hampshire by a narrow channel. Hope this helps, Peter Gawn Sechelt, B.C., Canada. > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:13:25 +0200 > From: "Frank Lyn" <franklyn@tiscali.co.za> > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Portsea parishes > To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000901c8b9dc$da84a950$6ff617c4@franklynyh8ts7> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Greetings all > > Tracing my family's background is turning into an enthralling journey of > discovery! It appears that my mother's ancestors lived in and around the > Portsmouth area for a couple of centuries!! My Mom knew none of this, only > that her family were "British". > > Anyway... many of my clan listed on IGI were born, or baptised, in > "St.Mary's, Portsea", or "St.Thomas, Portsea". Am I correct in assuming > that > St.Mary's and St. Thomas were parishes of Portsea? > > Best wishes > Frank Early > South Africa.

HI all, Thanks for the suggestions and help. Additional suggestions still welcome. Lynne Quoting liverpud <liverpud-49@rogers.com>: > Hi, We stayed at the Bembell Hotel on Festing Rd. > with full breakfast. It was clean and in a nice area. > Bus stop right outside the door. > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lynne robinson" <Lynne.Robinson@Dal.Ca> > To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] visit to Portsmouth > > > Hi listers, > I am not sure if this is an appropriate use of the list or not. I am > going to be > spending a few days in Portsmouth in June, researching my family, and > wondered > if anyone has a recommendation for a reasonably priced, reasonably good > quality, place to stay there. > > Thanks for any advice. > > Lynne > >

Greetings all Tracing my family's background is turning into an enthralling journey of discovery! It appears that my mother's ancestors lived in and around the Portsmouth area for a couple of centuries!! My Mom knew none of this, only that her family were "British". Anyway... many of my clan listed on IGI were born, or baptised, in "St.Mary's, Portsea", or "St.Thomas, Portsea". Am I correct in assuming that St.Mary's and St. Thomas were parishes of Portsea? Best wishes Frank Early South Africa.

Hi, We stayed at the Bembell Hotel on Festing Rd. with full breakfast. It was clean and in a nice area. Bus stop right outside the door. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "lynne robinson" <Lynne.Robinson@Dal.Ca> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] visit to Portsmouth Hi listers, I am not sure if this is an appropriate use of the list or not. I am going to be spending a few days in Portsmouth in June, researching my family, and wondered if anyone has a recommendation for a reasonably priced, reasonably good quality, place to stay there. Thanks for any advice. Lynne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers, I am not sure if this is an appropriate use of the list or not. I am going to be spending a few days in Portsmouth in June, researching my family, and wondered if anyone has a recommendation for a reasonably priced, reasonably good quality, place to stay there. Thanks for any advice. Lynne

It depends what you mean by volunteers ! At this time there was no conscription in the British Army so in that sense they would have been volunteers. Volunteers can also mean reservists and many of the forts in the Portsmouth area would have been manned by these. Have a look at www.palmerstonforts.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Carole Cumber > Sent: 14 May 2008 14:57 > To: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Fw: Royal Artillery research > help needed. > > From: "Carole Cumber" <dcumber@cogeco.ca> > To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:28 AM > Subject: Fw: Royal Artillery research help needed. > > > > > > > > > I think I need some help from the local listers please, > Where would I > > find information on the early (19th cen) men of the Royal > Artillery? > > were they all volunteers? where were they stationed in 1886? > > I have looked at various websites under Royal Artillery UK > but most of > > them want 40 to 50 GBP to look up information on individuals! I > > wondered if anyone has done any research into this > particular regiment > > that appears to have been stationed in Fareham. > > .......Second question, > > Where would I look for the gravesite for an individual that died in > > Cosham but was the son of a family from Southampton??. > > > > Carole in Canada >

Hi Listers Is anyone researching the family of Robert POTTER and Alice Storey, who lived in Portsmouth from 1810 to 1867? They had 12 children, including my gg-grandfather John POTTER (1821-1878). Associated family names are COLLINS, DENYER, DUGDALL, FIELD. Many thanks in advance Neville Potter Canberra Australia _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner

Hello all here is a link that will hopefully help regarding sending plain text e-mails http://email.about.com/cs/netiquettetips/qt/et070103.htm. Alternative site http://www.ncl.ac.uk/iss/support/tip/email-fonts. By sending in plain text viruses or spam cannot be received from the lists. Messages are automatically stripped if sent in HTML format and the e-mail will be blank. Kind regards Linda and Tony

From: "Carole Cumber" <dcumber@cogeco.ca> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Fw: Royal Artillery research help needed. > > > > I think I need some help from the local listers please, > Where would I find information on the early (19th cen) men of the Royal > Artillery? were they all volunteers? where were they stationed in 1886? > I have looked at various websites under Royal Artillery UK but most of > them want 40 to 50 GBP to look up information on individuals! I wondered > if anyone has done any research into this particular regiment that appears > to have been stationed in Fareham. > .......Second question, > Where would I look for the gravesite for an individual that died in Cosham > but was the son of a family from Southampton??. > > Carole in Canada