Hi Linda and Tony, Just my luck eh? It probably means there is something on the record that would be of use to me. hahahaha. Ah well, very many thanks for looking! All the best, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Knight" <knight.tony@btinternet.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Charles Luff & Mary Ann Cooper > Sorry Jon - no can do. There is a gap on the fiche 1834 to 1837.

Sorry Jon - no can do. There is a gap on the fiche 1834 to 1837. Regards Linda & Tony -----Original Message----- From: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jonnixey.fh Sent: 31 May 2008 01:35 To: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Charles Luff & Mary Ann Cooper Hi Linda & Tony, Please would you be kind enough to look up the following marriage: Charles Luff & Mary Ann Cooper 25 Jan 1834 Alverstoke Very many thanks, Jon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda & Tony, Please would you be kind enough to look up the following marriage: Charles Luff & Mary Ann Cooper 25 Jan 1834 Alverstoke Very many thanks, Jon

Good afternoon, Thank you to Paul, April and Linda and Tony. I appreciate your replies. Kind regards. Joan.

That's another one crossed off then. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny M Benson" <genes@cedarbank.me.uk> To: <ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] As it is quiet a little mystery hunt

Bob Newell wrote > there is a death in 1881 but it is in the 1st qtr and as he is listed >in the 1881 in the college, when was that census taken. As the 1881 Census was taken on 3 April, anyone alive for the Census would not be in the 1st Qtr Death Index. -- Jenny M Benson

One more thing he sometimes changed his first name round from Stephen to Henry as in the 1861 census and some of his children's birth and marriage certs and there is a death in 1881 but it is in the 1st qtr and as he is listed in the 1881 in the college, when was that census taken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Thirlwell" <mcinnes.fh@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com>

Yes that is the only one I ever found, but unfortunately if I have the right Mary is now in the 1901 census back in Milland Sussex where she was born listed as a widow. In the 1891 she is in Petersfield which is just at the end of the road really, again married listed as a seaman's wife. Mary's death I believe is listed in Midhurst, which would be the area for Milland. I sometimes wonder if I have got all of this wrong and this Mary is not in fact the right one, but all the children match. Ho Hum the joys of Genealogy Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Thirlwell" <mcinnes.fh@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] As it is quiet a little mystery hunt > Bob, > Stephen Newell, death registered Dec quarter 1903 Havant, age 65, so > calculated birth in 1838, could be a possible. > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1466 - Release Date: 25/05/2008 18:49

Bob Newell wrote >The thing that gets me is there is nothing, not even a death for him >after 1881. Have you checked for deaths abroad? If he *had* joined the Merchant Navy and died at sea his death would not appear in the ordinary indexes. -- Jenny M Benson

Hi Lynda and Tony nice of you to take an interest with this. I am not exactly sure what you mean by by going through the GRO index 1/4 by 1/4 to check all deaths. I have Ancestry but would not know how to do as you say as I do not know when he may have died.The birth is a bit of a mystery too as in the 1871 census he is listed being born in Guernsey (transcribed incorrectly as Germany) aged 9 which would make him b abt 1862. His parents Thomas Henry and mother Ellen Riley in the 1861 census were living in Alver Rd Gosport. Thomas Henry was a Shipwright in the RN and was born in Guernsey but I cannot see any reason why they would have gone back to Guernsey for John's birth. The only reason I can think of is Thomas's mother died in 1862 in St Peter Port Guernsey, so perhaps they were there for the funeral when Ellen gave birth. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda & Tony" <knightroots@btinternet.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Thomas GALLIENNE

Further to my reference to Stephen's death in 1903.. if Mary was already a widow in 1901................?? Ian

Bob, Stephen Newell, death registered Dec quarter 1903 Havant, age 65, so calculated birth in 1838, could be a possible. Ian

A correction to my last it is the Marriage references I need for the certificates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Newell" <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com>

A correction to my last it is the marriage references I need for the certificates Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Newell" <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] As it is quiet a little mystery hunt >

That is the conclusion that I came to, but it would be nice to know for sure what happened to him. The thing that gets me is there is nothing, not even a death for him after 1881. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Warn"

Hi Jon I take your point however there was never any husband actually on the premises at the time of the 1881-1901 censuses. The only time men were listed was two lodgers in 1891 a Grocers assistant age 19 single and a milk carrier aged 25 single. I would like to get the certificates for all the children which would be one way of checking, I have most of their GRO references apart from the daughters Mary Louisa b 1862 and Emily b 1865 which I have been unsuccesful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonnixey.fh" <jonnixey.fh@btinternet.com> To: <eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] As it is quiet a little mystery hunt > Hi bob, > > Could it be that Stephen and his wife split up, she ended up living with > someone who was a merchant seaman as if he was her husband? Divorce was > out > of the question for the majority back then. > > I've learned not to assume that someone is alive just because it doesn't > state "deceased" on a certificate or baptism entry, as I've found numerous > occasions where that thought has been disproved. > > All the best, > > Jon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAM-PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1466 - Release Date: 25/05/2008 18:49

Hello, I have a list of names and addresses found in a notebook belonging to my grandfather of people in Hampshire. They would be pre 1958 and I am wondering if there is some way of finding out who these people may have been. I know most of them are relatives of my grandparents, however I would like to know where they fit into the family. Kind regards, Joan. Sydney. Australia.

Bob, you don't say whether you checked the birth details for Eva and Kate in case Stephen wasn't in fact the father. However, the two girls appear in the IGI, both christened on 3rd May 1874, in Cranley [sic] with parents Stephen and Mary Newall [sic]. The girl's names are given as Edith Kate and Eva Ellen. Regarding the baker/seaman conflict, maybe there's a possibility he worked as a baker in the galley on a ship. Hmm. As a merchant seaman I'm not sure that he'd have been enumerated if the ship was away at sea. Ian Bob Newell wrote: > I am hoping someone may help solve my mystery I have had since stating my family search and as it is a little quiet I thought some of you sleuths could help with a few suggestions. I have laid out all the notes that I have amassed which is the following, I know its a bit long but saves a lot of questions. > What happened to Stephen Henry Newell > > >...snipped...>

Bob if you are looking at Free BMD whilst it is very helpful it is not complete and therefore you will need to check the GRO index by going through 1/4 by 1/4 to check all deaths to be certain of the death date. If he died in England or Wales. He may of course died overseas. Linda and Tony -----Original Message----- From: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newell Sent: 26 May 2008 12:50 To: eng-ham-portsmouth-gosport@rootsweb.com; Hampshire-L Subject: [PORTSMOUTH-GOSPORT] Another mystery I am looking for the death or any information on John GALLIENNE b About 1862 Guernsey Channel Islands according to the 1871 Census where he was living with his Grandmother Mary BURGESS nee RILEY and his sister Ellen Mary b 6 Apr 1864 in Alverstoke Gosport. There has been no other listing of him in any census that I have been able to find, however in April 1888 there was the following entry in the Hampshire Telegraph, The Effects of Drink. John Gallienne, 27, a labourer, living at 4, Alver Road was charged with threatening to murder his father and brother on the 2nd inst. Thomas Gallienne stated that the prisoner came home last night about eleven o'clock, the worse for liquor. He went into the front room to get some meat, but witness told him not to take it, Prisoners mother then took the meat away, when prisoner got a carving knife and tried to strike her saying he would have her "---- Blood." In trying to strike his mother prisoner broke the blade of the knife against a partition. Witness got a brass rod and defended himself with it. Prisoner's younger brother then came downstairs, when the former tried to strike him with the knife, but ultimately gave up the weapon. PC Goddard said he had several times cautioned prisoner, owing to his beating his father. The charge was bound over to keep the peace for one month, himself in £10, and a surety in a like sum, the chairman saying that drink had brought the prisoner to the borderline of crime. After this I can find no other reference. Regards Bob Newell

I am looking for the death or any information on John GALLIENNE b About 1862 Guernsey Channel Islands according to the 1871 Census where he was living with his Grandmother Mary BURGESS nee RILEY and his sister Ellen Mary b 6 Apr 1864 in Alverstoke Gosport. There has been no other listing of him in any census that I have been able to find, however in April 1888 there was the following entry in the Hampshire Telegraph, The Effects of Drink. John Gallienne, 27, a labourer, living at 4, Alver Road was charged with threatening to murder his father and brother on the 2nd inst. Thomas Gallienne stated that the prisoner came home last night about eleven o'clock, the worse for liquor. He went into the front room to get some meat, but witness told him not to take it, Prisoners mother then took the meat away, when prisoner got a carving knife and tried to strike her saying he would have her "---- Blood." In trying to strike his mother prisoner broke the blade of the knife against a partition. Witness got a brass rod and defended himself with it. Prisoner's younger brother then came downstairs, when the former tried to strike him with the knife, but ultimately gave up the weapon. PC Goddard said he had several times cautioned prisoner, owing to his beating his father. The charge was bound over to keep the peace for one month, himself in £10, and a surety in a like sum, the chairman saying that drink had brought the prisoner to the borderline of crime. After this I can find no other reference. Regards Bob Newell