Hi Steve Thank you for the information you have given me.....as I was writing the e-mail...thought I would give the 1881, just one more try.....knowing my Mum said GtGrandma had a sister who she called Aunt Mella (married a bargee) .....I thought what would this be short for....so I started searching for Amelia, Emily......never thought of Carmella, until it sort of jumped out at me.....I always say, there is someone up there giving us a helping hand........ Now will try and find a copy of the 1891.........not out till next year is it? After I posted I also tried the Free BMD site and found Carmella married in Keighley........Dec 1898......so another piece in the jig-saw. I had sort of given up on this with the name Mary Jane HOPKINS....so many of them...especially this close to Wales......glad I remembered the Mella! Thanks again Jan