Hazel, Sounds like ron is telling others not to tell others... Here is my 'FoD' family but I believe we may have originated around Cold Ashton - I'm looking. In any case, my dads half-sister is married into the Bradleys - have you any information regarding the link there? See what you can make from this please...anyone? All I THINK I know as of 1/10/2001 JOSEPH CARPENTER d abt. 1879-1913 (i)Pittsburgh Home for Sailors, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. (ii)Pennsylvania, near Cold Ashton, Gloucestershire COLLIER father of: *from this point we're in the Forest of Dean - East Dean possibly but I've had no luck with the '81 census.... EDWARD JOHN CARPENTER b 2/1/1879 - 7/7/1946 linked to ALICE CARPENTER b 23/11/1901 (sister or 1st child by 1st wife) married(2):ANN VICTORIA JAMES on 21/12/1913. His father JOSEPH was deceased according to the marriage certificate. father of: WILLIAM EDWARD HENRY CARPENTER b 21/9/1914 - 9/5/1993 married: (1)DOROTHY HOLDER; (2)IVY WEYMAN Children of Bill & Dolly: KEITH EDWARD b 2/7/1934 - 20/5/1992 REX d 16/8/1977 Children of Bill & Ivy: DAPHNE JOSIE JANET BRENDA EDWARD JOHN GILLIAN * one of the Bill & Ivy's daughters is married into the Bradley's... I'm Keith's boy. On my birth certificate it states my Dad was born in East Dean. Rex is dead & everyone else on that limb. I'm stuck because the information I'm receiving from Bill & Ivy's mob is inaccurate. Still looking but toward the Sth GLS area now thanks to Linda's info on Mitcheldean links. Thanks to all for your help. All the men were colliers,... itchy feet like my Dad? Where was JOSEPH born? Steve Carpenter B.M.H. Rinteln, W.Germany Mitcheldean, GLS Weston-Under-Pennyard, HEF Burton, HEF Cinderford (Nags Head Inn), GLS Sydney, New South Wales Adelaide, South Australia