Hi John, <snip> My great grandparents emigrated to NZ in 1860 from the Forest of Dean. This is what I know. My Hopkins great great grandparents were: Thomas Hopkins (m) Sarah Powel (no other details known) My great grandparents were William Hopkins (m) Sarah Ann Joseph Sarah Powel was a child of Thomas Joseph (m) Ann Cullis William Hopkins was born 8 Mar 1835, Gloucester (I think he may have been born in Lydney). Sarah Powel was born 6 Mar 1837, Lidbrook. <snip> You might want to try looking at Gordon Beavington's transcription of the 1851 census of Gloucestershire. It is free on the web at http://www.rootsweb.com/~cotswold/GLSontheweb.htm I had a quick look and found these - looks like your JOSEPHs. Didn't find your HOPKINS family, but you should be able to work through the various areas of the forest of Dean and find them. Have a look in the name index first. This shows you the names of the heads of families - and which census return they featured in. Then scroll further down (you may have to click on the heading to see this bit - had me flummoxed for a long time!) and look at the areas you have identified as possible. COLEFORD 1851 Census Gloucestershire COPYRIGHT P.R.O. Reference # HO 107/2444 SECTION II More of the Tything of Coleford in the Parish of Newland Pages 43 Persons 406 Male 442 Female 848 Total Enumerator George Porter 83 BLAYDON says BAYLDON John 37 Mstr. Of Arts Yorkshire Roystone Elizabeth 33 Somerset St Michael Daniel 4 St Michael Thomas 3 son Wanstone John 2 Wanstone Francis 9m Wanstone BARRICK Elizabeth Servant 22 Coleford JOSEPH Sarah Servant 14 ? Coleford 88 JOSEPH Thomas 76 Clerk Radnor ++ Ann 40 Coleford Martha 12 Coleford Lewis 8 Coleford Thomas 5 Coleford William 2 Coleford <snip> I would be interested to hear from anyone who is researching this family, and would particularly like to know where the Hopkins family came from in Wales as we are visiting Wales later this year. <snip> As Thomas JOSEPH is shown as born in Radnorm, that looks like a good place to start looking for your JOSEPH family in Wales. Hope this helps start you off. Cheers Helen in Wellington --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 16/06/2003

Hi everyone I am just starting out and wonder if anyone shares an interest in these names? My great grandparents emigrated to NZ in 1860 from the Forest of Dean. This is what I know. My Hopkins great great grandparents were: Thomas Hopkins (m) Sarah Powel (no other details known) My great grandparents were William Hopkins (m) Sarah Ann Joseph Sarah Powel was a child of Thomas Joseph (m) Ann Cullis William Hopkins was born 8 Mar 1835, Gloucester (I think he may have been born in Lydney). Sarah Powel was born 6 Mar 1837, Lidbrook. Their marriage took place on 31 Mar 1858, St James Church, Bream. An extract from a local NZ history says this of William Hopkins: "Mr Hopkins was born on the 8th March, 1835, in Gloucestershire, England, where his father was a farmer. He was brought up as a coal and iron miner, and came to Lyttelton by the ship Matoaka in 1860. (...) Mr Hopkins was married in 1858, to a daughter of the late Mr T. Joseph of Gloucestershire." The family stories are that he was Welsh (he was at least a part speaker of Welsh) and his wife was Jewish (the name Joseph is consistent with that). At least two sisters (one married to a Fletcher from the Forest of Dean) and a brother Alfred came out to NZ as well. Three of my uncles who served in WW1 tried to locate the family without success even though that was less than 60 years since migration. I would be interested to hear from anyone who is researching this family, and would particularly like to know where the Hopkins family came from in Wales as we are visiting Wales later this year. Thanks John Hopkins ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snail mail: 39 Bennett Street, Christchurch 8005, AOTEAROA NEW ZEALAND Phone: 64 3 352 0434 Fax: 64 3 352 0478 Mob: +64 21 67 27 07

Hi On the 1881 census there is a family living atRuspidge Road East Dean RG11 2523/36 page 20. They are William POWELL M 56 East Dean labourer Mary Ann M 44 do. Matilda C. dau U 22 do Selina L dau 4 do. There are other members of the family William Tom son Hester Ann JONES mother in lawalso another daughter Anne aged 13 Is anyone researching or knows anything else about this family? in particular Id like to know what Matilda¬s middle name was.Much Marcle Hereford was also printed as William`s place of birth. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Can anyone help me with identifying who the Mr and Mrs HULIN mentioned in this article in the Times were? I am intrigued by the story. And if they were dissenters what records can I look at to see if there were other HULINs who were also married/christened/buried in a dissenting church. Many thanks Helen in Wellington NZ From "The Times", Tuesday 28 July 1863, p.7. "House of Commons, Monday July 27. "MARRIAGES OF DISSENTERS. "Sir M. PETO asked Her Majesty's Government whether they had heard of the remarriage of a Mr. and Mrs. Hulin by the Rev. Horatio Walmesley, vicar of St. Briavels, Gloucestershire, after they had been previously married in a Dissenting chapel, and on which remarriage the vicar entered the parties in his register-book as bachelor and spinster, knowing of the previous marriage; and whether Her Majesty's Government would prosecute the vicar for making such entries under the statute 76th George IV., sec. 29. "Mr BRUCE did not think that the conduct of the vicar in question could properly be made the subject of a prosecution for penalties under the statute. The first marriage was either a valid one or it was not. If it was a valid marriage all that was done afterwards was simply superfluous and null, and could not be made the subject of a prosecution. If the marriage was invalid then everything which subsequently happened was regularly done. No offence had been committed against the law, though there might have been an offence against good taste and good feeling, besides an exhibition of contemptuous indifference to the law of the land. (Hear, hear.) " --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 16/06/2003

Hello again, I was not quite sure if you received this message as I posted it the same day as I subscribed....anyway just in case I am posting it again, and hoping someone can help. Many thanks and I hope you do not think me a pain. Regards Valerie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Compton To: ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 2 May 2004 17:09 Subject: Genealogy help!! Hello List, I am trying to locate where my Grandfather, John William Shaw, b. Sept 1891, where I do not know. I know from his marriage cert. that his father was John Shaw (deceased), mother's name not given. He married Winifred Brown from Coleford in Dec. 6th. 1914, at St. John's Church. (at that time he was working as a collier). At the age of 14 in 1905 he was put onto a navy training ship, the "Warspite" and in 1906 onto the merchant training ship, the "Port Jackson". In the margin of his entry it says "orphan". He used to tell us that his parents were killed in a horse and carriage accident and that he also had a younger brother Victor who was also killed at an early age. He told us that he was brought up by a maiden aunt. Listed also in the margin of entry was guardian, Laura Annie Robinson, Leigh on Sea. But after extensive searching I cannot find anything to do with them in Leigh, so it may have just been close to Grays and the training ships. I have a photo of my Grandfather in naval uniform taken in 1905 aged 14, by a "F. N. Jones, 8 Gloucester Rd., Coleford. Now I know it may be a long shot but I was wondering why he kept going back to that area of Coleford and obviously continued to do so for many years, meeting my Grandmother Winifred Brown and marrying her there at the age of 23 Did he come from that area?? Has anyone on the mailing list any records that they could look up for me..his birth in 1891 or his parents marriage about 1890 + - 5 years? I do not know if Laura Annie Robinson was related to him...maybe the maiden aunty...are any of her records in that area. Any suggestions or different views would be greatfully accepted. Many thanks to you all. Valerie.

Julia's christening is shown as 10 September 1848 in Blakeney to Charles and Sarah Taylor. Your family does not appear to have been in Glos in the 1851. Where would they have been there in 1861? Judi Cordingley Please, please, please, is there anybody out there who can help me find my Taylor family? Father Charles, Journeyman Mason, Mother Sarah ?, daughter Julia, born 1848 or thereabouts in Blakeney, according to the IGI. She married James Rees in 1868 and I have her marriage certificate but not her birth c. I wonder if anyone has the 1851 census for Gloucestershire and could do a lookup for me please to find out where her parents were born and confirm that she was born in Blakeney as on the 1881 census it says that she was born in Pembrokeshire and on the 1901 she has the Forest of Dean as her place of birth. Ever hopeful, Gill in West Sussex.

Please, please, please, is there anybody out there who can help me find my Taylor family? Father Charles, Journeyman Mason, Mother Sarah ?, daughter Julia, born 1848 or thereabouts in Blakeney, according to the IGI. She married James Rees in 1868 and I have her marriage certificate but not her birth c. I wonder if anyone has the 1851 census for Gloucestershire and could do a lookup for me please to find out where her parents were born and confirm that she was born in Blakeney as on the 1881 census it says that she was born in Pembrokeshire and on the 1901 she has the Forest of Dean as her place of birth. Ever hopeful, Gill in West Sussex.

Hi Listers, Reposting names of interest. If these names look familiar please get in touch. BERTRAND -- BETHNAL GREEN, LONDON & FRANCE. BRACE -- BRISTOL, HEREFORD & LONDON. COLLINS -- BETHNAL GREEN. CHANNELL -- EWELL, EPSOM, ANYWHERE. CHIVINGTON -- EWELL, SURREY, LONDON, STOW, ANYWHERE. COWHAM -- LINCOLN, ANYWHERE. FOX -- LONDON. MCNAMARA -- LONDON, ISLE OF WIGHT, CO CLARE READING -- OTFORD SEVENOAKS. SANDERSON -- SHOREDITCH, LONDON. SEABROOK -- LONDON, IRELAND. SUMMERS -- BERMONDSEY, BELLINGHAM, LONDON. STRANGEWAY--LONDON. WILLIAMS -- BRISTOL. Regards Martin

Hello listers, I would like to trace any family connections for my Harpers all born in Ruardean and listed below with their spouses (were known). Can anyone help to confirm my grandmother's story that the Harpers were bell-ringers at the church back to the 11th century? Thanks Tigger Harper John 1 Aug 1736 Harper Elizabeth 1 Jan 1756 William Evans Harper Joseph 17 Apr 1750 Sarah Webb Harper Henry 17 FEB 1750/51 Harper Joseph 17 JAN 1724/25 Mary Morse Harper Joseph 18 Dec 1737 Harper Mary 1851 William Butler Harper Mary 19 Nov 1749 Harper Ann 2 Oct 1743 Harper Mary 21 Apr 1748 Harper Benjamin 21 Mar 1782 Harper Job 21 Mar 1782 Harper Mary 22 FEB 1741/42 Harper Elizabeth 23 MAR 1745/46 Harper William 28 Jun 1752 Harper John 29 Mar 1778 Ann Davis Harper Henry 3 Dec 1740 Harper Joseph 3 Mar 1776 Harper Sarah 4 Dec 1786 Harper Jo(h)nathan 4 Feb 1781 Mary Shaw Harper Joseph 4 Nov 1739 Harper Mary 8 Jun 1773 Harper Jane 8 Nov 1734

Hi Can anyone tell me please in which parish Lydbrook was in 1816. I would like to see the baptism of William ALLAWAY born in Lydbrook in 1816 Sylvia Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Folks, I don't know how well you know about FreeCEN, but here's a plug for it. FreeCEN is trying to transcribe all the census returns, and publish them on the Internet - much like FreeBMD has done for centralised birth, death and marriage records, and FreeREG is going to do for parish records. You can get to FreeCEN at http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ Because of a particular interest I had, I am transcribing a section of the 1861 census for Gloucestershire (actually Westbury-on-Trym), and I am sure that Bernadette Siebert, who is the co-ordinator for Gloucestershire would be delighted if any of you could offer some of your services to transcribing some of the records for the project. Maybe, like me, you need to find a particular relative in a census. Well, you could go through all the records yourself, or transcribe them for the project at the same time, and help many other genealogists. If you have a little time that you could give to the project, why not get in touch with Bernadette. You can find her details on the FreeCEN web site. Regards....Steve Papworth Proud to be working on the FreeCEN project _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

The law did not have provision for a penalty for those who failed to register. That changed in 1874 or 1875, I forget which. I have read that some families christened children that year, sometimes in bulk, to save civil registration fees. Sometimes the register will record the birthdate. A similar situation seems to have occurred in Scotland after civil registration began 1855 and I have seen several examples of births entered in the parish register that year of all the children of a couple, some being born 10 or more years previous. Adrian Verry

Hi LIz, The rush to be baptised in 1837 is generally put down to a mis-understanding of the new registration procedure aided and abetted by the local church wardens who had the job of ensuring that parishioners attended church and had their children baptised. Localised mini rushes at other time are often accounted for by a change on incumbent of the appointment of a more enthusiastic warden. There was a general drive to promote the Church of England in the early 1800's in the light of the growth of nonconformist faiths and the Church of Rome. This culminated in the 1851 religious census which was intended to determine the return on investment so to speak. Tigger

I have read that there was a rush to baptise families including older children and adults in England in 1837. This happened in my family in London. Does anyone know the reason. Was it just general confusion with the introduction of Registration. Cheerio Liz Ougarezos

From: david@davidcode.net Can anyone help David find his Elliotts or Nolans in time? Dear Tigger, I write to seek your “Sherlock Holmes” advice on a mystery that has me stumped.  This story falls outside your geographic area of expertise, but I want to call upon your experience and creativity, rather than your legwork.  I’m hoping you can read my story and generate some leads to investigate: We are planning a family reunion in Calgary, Canada July.  My mother and aunt are quite elderly, and this is probably our final chance to bring together all their offspring and relatives.  That is why I’m so eager to get back in touch with our living English relatives, the Elliotts. This reunion is an opportunity for community, love and re-connection.  As the father of a 4 year-old son and 2 year-old daughter, I am eager to put my children in touch with their British roots, and give them a sense of family and groundedness.  I want them to understand that they are the new “threads” in a long and beautiful tapestry of our family that has been woven over generations. My mom corresponded with our relatives, Tom & Emmie Elliott, until the 1950s.  They lived in the same house for decades.  Although they must be dead by now, their address through the 1950s (and perhaps the 60s and 70s as well) was: Tom & Emmie Elliott Old Cottage New Road Worthing Road Horsham, Sussex Here’s the family tree information I have on them and their offspring: Emmie Allam (b. 1880’s) and Thomas Henry Elliott (b. 1872, who had a brother named Percy b. 1879) were married in 1900 in Hampshire. They had one son, Ernie, born 1901.  Ernie was an RAF pilot in WW1.  He also worked for BBC TV, and we have a photo of him on TV, taken in 1959. We were told he was quite famous in England, but we are not sure. Ernie Elliott married an “Alice,” (her maiden name is unknown but she was a niece to a “Mabel Hyett”). Ernie & Alice had (at least) three children: 1) Douglas, born 12/25/34 2) Jean, born about April 1938 3) Mary We have a photo taken at the marriage of Mary Elliott to Roy Nolan on Sept 1, 1962 (I can email you a copy, if that would help).  I would have expected them to marry near the bride’s birthplace, Horsham.  However, the photo studio is in Bristol, so I wonder if they married and lived in Bristol.  If the photo studio still exists, I’m hoping they can put me in touch with Roy or Mary Nolan. The studio is: Tudor, Tracy & Miller Ltd. Regent House High Street Corner Bristol 1, England Tel 26-975 What digits would I add to the telephone number in order to try calling them? I am so eager to re-connect with these relatives that I am even prepared to telephone every Douglas Elliott, Mary Nolan or Roy Nolan in England, starting of course with those in Horsham and Bristol.  However, if you have any advice or leads for me, I would be very grateful for your help, to narrow the search.  Thank you in advance for your consideration, and I look forward to hearing from you. Grace and peace to you, The Rev. David A. Code -- David Code Email (I do NOT check email every day): wk: dcode@carolinechurch.net hm: david@davidcode.net Tel #'s: wk: 631-941-4245 hm: 751-0071

HI Has anyone any knowledge of the man shown in the following census entryfor 1861 Newland Clearwell St Peters church 62(?) Ellwood Thomas ALLAWAY head Mar 42 Iron ore miner Newland Sarah wife M 40 Newland John son U 12 scholar Newland Fanny dau. U 10 scholar Newland thanks Sylvia researching ALLAWAY POWELL JONES _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

Thank you to those who replied re my lost webpage address. Regards, Irene _________________________________________________________________ Get Extra Storage in 10MB, 25MB, 50MB and 100MB options now! Go to http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-au&page=hotmail/es2

Fellow genealogists, Have you ever used the Internet to learn about genealogy methods and resources? Taken a genealogy course online? Read some 'how to' articles? Then I would like to hear from you. I am an Australian Ph.D. student who is currently writing a book chapter for an academic Virtual Learning Environment publication - my chapter is about using the Internet for genealogical education. I would therefore love to hear from you, fellow genealogists, about any Internet-based content you've used for genealogy education. This includes online courses (free or fee), how-to's, articles/columns, newsgroups, BBS, chat, mailing lists, forums, or even personal web pages that publish learning material - anything online that helps you in learning the craft of genealogy. Your comments on the following is of utmost interest: What are your favourite learning outlets on the Internet? How often do you use them? Can or did you find what you needed online? What are your learning successes? What could be better? What do you look for in genealogical learning on the Internet? If you would like to participate, your comments are extremely welcome. Please send your comments to me directly at research@veale.com.au before Saturday 1st May 2004. I thank you in advance for your participation in this academic research. Kylie Veale P.S. Names and email addresses will be protected and are therefore not included in the publication. Copies of the paper will be made available to interested participants on request, after the book has been published. ----------------------------------------------- Kylie J. Veale | Brisbane, Australia GradDipInvEnv, MInetStds(Design) Provisional PhD candidate http://www.veale.com.au/kylie icq: 27938257 msn: kyliej@hotmail.com yahoo: kylie_veale

I have lost a webpage address which was posted about 20th April. Can someone please let me know what it was. David Watts message board/guest book on the Royal Forest of Dean. Regards, Irene _________________________________________________________________ Get Extra Storage in 10MB, 25MB, 50MB and 100MB options now! Go to http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-au&page=hotmail/es2

Irene Here are the details for you Forest of Dean Genealogy Pages http://members.iinet.net.au/~davwat/royalfor/ Hope you come and visit us soon David Watkins At 5:55 PM +1000 26/4/04, Irene Coutts said:" I have lost a webpage address which was posted about 20th April. Can someone please let me know what it was. David Watts message board/guest book on the Royal Forest of Dean. Regards, Irene