I have come across in the state papers a reference to Thomas Young in 1649/50 who was a tenant of some lands in Westbury. Is anyone researching this family? I suspect that I may find some more information on Thomas if this is of interest to anyone. Wishing you every success in your researches, Giles Colchester, researching family COLCHESTER, any place any time any spelling

Hi Gordon You wrote: > > Years ago my Mother told me that there was an Ancestor > who was a Dairy Maid and had been involved in the testing > of a Vaccination against Smallpox. Sarah Nelms had cowpox > which country folk had claimed, helped to offset the affects > of Smallpox. > You may be interested in Jenner's original paper mentioning Sarah NELMES. You will find a transcript at: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1798jenner-vacc.html Sarah is mentioned in the first of these three papers, "Inquiry into the causes....", in Part I, Case XVI. She is described as "a dairymaid at a farmer's near this place", i.e. near Berkeley, GLS, where Jenner lived and around where he did most of his research. Incidentally the Fordham University site has lots of useful historical stuff. Hope that helps David in Hertford, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon T. Holmes." <g.t.holmes@Bradford.ac.uk> To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: [FoD] Cowpox - Sarah NELMS Dairy Maid (May 1796)

Hello, My Mother was correct after all: - Years ago my Mother told me that there was an Ancestor who was a Dairy Maid and had been involved in the testing of a Vaccination against Smallpox. Sarah Nelms had cowpox which country folk had claimed, helped to offset the affects of Smallpox. With the help of Sarah's infection, a Dr Jenner produced the first recorded vaccination to prevent Small Pox successfully in May 1796. I have just found an article in a book about the origins of Inventions and Discoveries, which confirms the above. Does anyone have information about this Sarah Nelms or even maybe share her Ancestors? It is possible Sarah was living across the border in Somerset which is where my NELMS Ancestors originated, around, Thornbury, Wick areas. Thank You, Gordon. Tel No. (01274) 23 5284 - VOICE MAIL Email: g.t.holmes@bradford.ac.uk Elect/IT/Techno Technician. Arch & Envi Sciences. Phoenix SW Building. Bradford University.

sorry for the typo - TWIZLIN(G) is what I had intended <sleep required now>

'Tis TWILLIN(G) me dear.. Twizling Farm, Hope Mansell, Ross on Wye, HR9 5TN South East of Hope Mansell towards Drybrook, near Harechurch Wood I think it is now occupied by a company called Lizzie Designs...who design Gardens. ( try a GOOGLE search) regards S ps http://www.old-maps.co.uk enter Hope Mansell as the place pan towards the South East corner, then Enlarged View. Find Upper House Farm, pan down to Perlieu Barn, then pan right, you will see Twizlin before you see Hom Barn There it is !! in 1891 Grid ref 363472,218717 or todays OS map sheet 162, grid 635,186

My great grandmother was born in Twistling, Hope Mansel, Hereford. Can anybody tell me whether TWISTLING is an area of Hope Mansel or could it be the name of a house, farm, etc. Linda Ferris North Yorksire

Hi Has any one any information to give me about one or both of the two Catherine POWELLs who died in March quarter of 1841 both in the Monmouth district ? Sylvia Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi List I have found some roots in the Forest of Dean as follows: Joseph DUFTY (bc1810 in Whitecroft per censuses) m. Ann Unknown. Their children were born in West Dean area, included Annie who married Thomas Davies. Any info/links appreciated. I have had no success in finding any info on Joseph. Jules For Glos Research see: _http://beta.hometown.aol.co.uk/jwhitehouseja/myhomepage/famtree.html_ (http://beta.hometown.aol.co.uk/jwhitehouseja/myhomepage/famtree.html)

On the Forest of Dean Genealogy Pages web pages we have a searchable Guestbook/Message page. May be you have a query or you just want to say that you have called by. Whatever it might be we welcome you to leave a message or search the past messages. Give it a try, somebody out there might just have the answer to your query. Also, on the web pages you will find links to useful information relating to the Royal Forest of Dean and surrounding areas of Gloucestershire Forest of Dean Genealogy Pages http://members.iinet.net.au/~davwat/royalfor/ Hope you come and visit us soon David Watkins ~~

Hi All Thought I'd post my name interests ASTON Christchurch Harriet, John GODWIN Berry Hill Henry GWILLIAM Joyford - West Dean James, Elizabeth, Sarah, Thomas GWYNNE West Dean James, Tom HAWKINS West Dean James, Elizabeth, George, Lydia Thomas JOWETT MARTIN Lane End William, Hannah, William George, Annie PROUD Arthur ROBERTS West Dean Rosa Ellen TEAGUE West Dean (My main line) Thomas, George, James, Tom, William Too many to list TYE Cheltenham Mary Ann WINTLE Carterspiece English Bicknor Joyford Anthony, James, Amy, Eleanor, George, Jane, John, etc WORGAN Newland Anthony, Elianor Thankyou for taking the time to read this. If you are researching any of the above families, please get in touch. Julie

Hello You make FoD sound a haven, as I am sure it is! I am looking forward to visiting even more now. One of the joys of genealogy is finding out about life and culture of both the times and the area - I find it fascinating and it helps imagine how life was for my ancestors and almost "brings them to life" again. I am sending off for a report on the working conditions in Gloucestershire mines as so many of my ancestors were miners. It was mining that caused them to migrate to the Potteries for work. Thanks for all the other information, it will keep me busy for a while exploring it all. Again the generosity of this list to beginners like me is amazing. Thank you all! Janet Howell ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilding" <john.wilding1@btinternet.com> To: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] Jenkins/Davies > Hello again Janet > > Three Sarahs bapt at Parkend and I think you may be in luck! > > DAVIS Sarah 1825 Sep 11 dau of Thomas & Elizabeth Pillowell collier PARKEND > DAVIS Sarah 1827 May 13 dau of William & Mary Breams Eaves coalminer PARKEND > DAVIS Sarah 1830 Oct 3 dau of William & sarah Yorkley coalminer PARKEND > > I think you mentioned William & Mary before. > > You will enjoy the FoD I'm sure. It was cut off in the middle ages by the > dense forest and we have our own language which sadly is now dying out. > > It is a really lovely part of the country and if I lived nearer (Hastings > now) I would happily devote a day or two to show you round - Breams Eaves > and Woodside included!! When you are there just think how it must have been > 60 years ago when I had it all to myself as a child - the car was a distant > dream - well almost!!. > > If you are interested in the area there are bookshops in Coleford > www.ForestBookshop.com > and Lydney which have quite a variety of books on aspects of the Forest some > specialising in villages others in trades and some in collieries and local > brass bands etc. > > The local registrar is at 6 Belle Vue Road Cinderford 01 594 822113 email > vwheeler@gloscc.gov.uk and at Cinderford Library I think you can look at > back copies of the local papers. > > Gloucester Records Office is just off Worcester St Gloucester almost > opposite Gloucester Rugby Club at Kingsholm. The oldest fish and chip shop > in the world is at the back of Sainsbury's - it's about 400 years old if me > memory serves me! Last time I was there it was still as good as ever!! > > Gloucester FHS is at Spread Eagle Court Northgate St - open most days - 01 > 452 524344 > membership £10pa email editor@gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucester Library is in Brunswick Road 01 452 426976 > > If there is anything else you can think of which might be helpful just let > me know. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:51 AM > Subject: Re: [FoD] Jenkins/Davies > > > > Hi > > > > My Sarah Davies was born about 1827 and married Shadrach Jenkins (b. 1831) > about 1852-1856 I guess probably at Bream or Parkend. Their first child (I > think the first) was John born March 1857 at Bream. They were still at > Bream in 1870 for a later child (according to the two birth certs I have). > > > > We are both looking for the same name in the same area and time frame so > it is likely our paths will cross on this. My Sarah's name is spelt Davies > not Davis on the two certs I have for two children but that may just be the > way the registrar spelt the name (I don't know if Sarah was literate). > > > > My most likely Sarah on 1851 census is one living at home with father > William and mother Mary. The age fits what I have on later census entries. > This is the 1851 entry from the online transcription for West Dean > > 13 DAVIS William 75 Wood Collier Kemple/Remple? > > Mary 63 Newent > > Sarah 24 Dressmaker West Dean > > Caroline Grand daughter 7 West Dean > > > > From IGI I have - > > > > Caroline Davis bap 22 Oct 1843 St James Bream, mother Sarah Davis, > no father given C036491 > > also Jane Davis bap14 May 1815, parents William and Mary Davis, same > church > > and Hannah Davis bap 26 Oct 1817, ditto > > and Caroline Davis bap 28 May 1820, ditto > > These look like 3 sisters for Sarah but there is no entry for Sarah's > baptism. It also seems from the above that Caroline was an illegitimate > daughter. I'll know more when I follow up the IGI with some confirmation. > > > > I'll keep a look out for your Sarah (and you for mine) and hopefully we > will both get somewhere. > > > > Janet Howell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: gensearch > > To: 'Janet Singleton' > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:24 AM > > Subject: RE: [FoD] Jenkins/Davies > > > > > > Dear Janet > > > > I have seen your recent postings to the FoD list > > > > Unfortunately I cannot help you with the names you mention, but it this > particular posting you mention a Sarah Davis - I am not sure of your time > frame for Sarah Davis but we are both looking in the same area. Whilst I > doubt that "your" Sarah and mine could be one and the same I am at a brick > wall with mine. > > > > > > > > I am looking for the marriage of a SARAH DAVIS to JOHN JAMES around 1856 > (might as well be looking for "Smith and Jones") but their first child was > born around 1857 so am guessing an 1856 marriage. > > > > > > > > I have John & Sarah James on the 1861 census and all later ones, living > in Pillowell, and both are buried at Parkend. From census info Sarah was > born~1831/2 > > > > I have been given some transcriptions of DAVIS baptisms from Parkend and > have a possible with William DAVIS as father, but need the marriage cert to > tell me who her father was. There are several Sarah Davis' on the 1851, > none can be ruled out but none agree very well with respect to birth year, > the most likely is a servant in Aylburton, which is no a lot of help! > > > > > > > > I have birth cert of Caroline James (1864) JOHN & SARAH's daughter and > my GGrandmother - this gives mother's maiden name as formerly SARAH DAVIS. > > > > > > > > If you ever come across a Sarah DAVIS who might be mine I would love to > hear from you! > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Angela Gibson > > > > Sydney, Australia > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Janet Singleton [mailto:Hywel@risinsun.co.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2004 8:29 AM > > To: ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [FoD] Jenkins/Davies > > > > > > > > Hi Jenny > > > > > > > > Many thanks for this! I was right I think that John was the oldest and > glad > > > > to find an Arthur as in 1891 Shadrach has a grandson called Arthur > Shadrach > > > > Jenkins ! (as yet I don't know who's son) > > > > > > > > I have lots of leads now for next step of research. (this all started > from > > > > an "idea" to reasearch my maternal line which will go back now through > Sarah > > > > Davis and also because I received a small photo in a broach when my aunt > > > > died at christmas. I believe the photo must be Sarah H or Sarah below > > > > judging by the costume) > > > > > > > > Again. many thanks > > > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jenny Smith" <jms.ciren@virgin.net> > > > > To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 6:57 PM > > > > Subject: [FoD] Jenkins/Davies > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Janet > > > > > I have the following > > > > > 1871 census > > > > > Bream Eaves. > > > > > Shadrach JENKINS age 39 Iron Ore Miner born West Dean > > > > > Sarah age 44 " > > > > > John age 14 " > > > > > Rachel age 10 " > > > > > Arthur age 7 " > > > > > Emma?/ Evan? age 5 " > > > > > William T 3 " > > > > > Sarah H age 10 mon " > > > > > > > > > > In the good old days B.C. [before Computers] I copied out all the > Jenkins > > > > from 1841-1891 from originals, No Shadrach before 1871 in the Forest. > > > > However, I did not check the outer areas, on the Severn etc. > > > > > Ill check again other items. I had a quick look at the P.R's I had > > > > transcribed, for Bream, Newland and Clearwell, no luck. > > > > > Maybe they were Non Conformist? > > > > > My JENKINS were in Clearwell/Ellwood George and Sarah Mousel > > > > > George and Elizabeth Bushell and George and Ellen Hoare > > > > > from Jernny Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Hi My Sarah Davies was born about 1827 and married Shadrach Jenkins (b. 1831) about 1852-1856 I guess probably at Bream or Parkend. Their first child (I think the first) was John born March 1857 at Bream. They were still at Bream in 1870 for a later child (according to the two birth certs I have). We are both looking for the same name in the same area and time frame so it is likely our paths will cross on this. My Sarah's name is spelt Davies not Davis on the two certs I have for two children but that may just be the way the registrar spelt the name (I don't know if Sarah was literate). My most likely Sarah on 1851 census is one living at home with father William and mother Mary. The age fits what I have on later census entries. This is the 1851 entry from the online transcription for West Dean 13 DAVIS William 75 Wood Collier Kemple/Remple? Mary 63 Newent Sarah 24 Dressmaker West Dean Caroline Grand daughter 7 West Dean From IGI I have - Caroline Davis bap 22 Oct 1843 St James Bream, mother Sarah Davis, no father given C036491 also Jane Davis bap14 May 1815, parents William and Mary Davis, same church and Hannah Davis bap 26 Oct 1817, ditto and Caroline Davis bap 28 May 1820, ditto These look like 3 sisters for Sarah but there is no entry for Sarah's baptism. It also seems from the above that Caroline was an illegitimate daughter. I'll know more when I follow up the IGI with some confirmation. I'll keep a look out for your Sarah (and you for mine) and hopefully we will both get somewhere. Janet Howell ----- Original Message ----- From: gensearch To: 'Janet Singleton' Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:24 AM Subject: RE: [FoD] Jenkins/Davies Dear Janet I have seen your recent postings to the FoD list Unfortunately I cannot help you with the names you mention, but it this particular posting you mention a Sarah Davis - I am not sure of your time frame for Sarah Davis but we are both looking in the same area. Whilst I doubt that "your" Sarah and mine could be one and the same I am at a brick wall with mine. I am looking for the marriage of a SARAH DAVIS to JOHN JAMES around 1856 (might as well be looking for "Smith and Jones") but their first child was born around 1857 so am guessing an 1856 marriage. I have John & Sarah James on the 1861 census and all later ones, living in Pillowell, and both are buried at Parkend. From census info Sarah was born~1831/2 I have been given some transcriptions of DAVIS baptisms from Parkend and have a possible with William DAVIS as father, but need the marriage cert to tell me who her father was. There are several Sarah Davis' on the 1851, none can be ruled out but none agree very well with respect to birth year, the most likely is a servant in Aylburton, which is no a lot of help! I have birth cert of Caroline James (1864) JOHN & SARAH's daughter and my GGrandmother - this gives mother's maiden name as formerly SARAH DAVIS. If you ever come across a Sarah DAVIS who might be mine I would love to hear from you! Best wishes Angela Gibson Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Janet Singleton [mailto:Hywel@risinsun.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2004 8:29 AM To: ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FoD] Jenkins/Davies Hi Jenny Many thanks for this! I was right I think that John was the oldest and glad to find an Arthur as in 1891 Shadrach has a grandson called Arthur Shadrach Jenkins ! (as yet I don't know who's son) I have lots of leads now for next step of research. (this all started from an "idea" to reasearch my maternal line which will go back now through Sarah Davis and also because I received a small photo in a broach when my aunt died at christmas. I believe the photo must be Sarah H or Sarah below judging by the costume) Again. many thanks Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Smith" <jms.ciren@virgin.net> To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: [FoD] Jenkins/Davies > For Janet > I have the following > 1871 census > Bream Eaves. > Shadrach JENKINS age 39 Iron Ore Miner born West Dean > Sarah age 44 " > John age 14 " > Rachel age 10 " > Arthur age 7 " > Emma?/ Evan? age 5 " > William T 3 " > Sarah H age 10 mon " > > In the good old days B.C. [before Computers] I copied out all the Jenkins from 1841-1891 from originals, No Shadrach before 1871 in the Forest. However, I did not check the outer areas, on the Severn etc. > Ill check again other items. I had a quick look at the P.R's I had transcribed, for Bream, Newland and Clearwell, no luck. > Maybe they were Non Conformist? > My JENKINS were in Clearwell/Ellwood George and Sarah Mousel > George and Elizabeth Bushell and George and Ellen Hoare > from Jernny Smith > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello John You won't find Shadrach's burial in Glos - he emigrated to Staffs about 1880, infact his whole family is there by 1891 census. You along with other fantastic people on this list have given me such a lot of leads to research but I think an early priority must be the marriage of Shadrach Jenkins to Sarah Davies to confirm their parents' names. My guess is that they married sometime between 1852 and 1856 (son John was born March 1857) and I would guess it would be at or near to Bream or Parkend. I have tried FreeBMD but as yet had no luck with this marriage. I have never been to the Forest of Dean, closest has been Upleadon where friends lived for some years. I am hoping to put this right this summer and bring my parents for a visit. Mum would like to see where her great grandmother came from. I shall be chasing up Sarah Davies too, this research I will take as far back as possible as it is my maternal line. I shall need to find her baptism circa 1827 to try to find her mother's name. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilding" <john.wilding1@btinternet.com> To: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] JENKINS / DAVIES > Hello again Janet > > You aren't the only one jumping for joy! It isn't often there is success but > I am so glad that you have found someone. > > But when it comes to Shadrach's burial I must confess to a blank. I have 200 > Jenkins but no Shadrach. But I am happy to try to find anyone for you from > my lists so please try me again whenever you think I might have some info > which would be of help. It is no good to anyone to have it lying here > dormant when it could be someone's missing link. > > I left the FoD a long time ago but still have many family members - Mum was > one of 13! - and friends - there who I can call on so I will be happy to > try. > > John. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: [FoD] JENKINS / DAVIES > > > > Hi John > > > > WOW - I think you have them!! It fits in with my theory from 1851 census > ie > > mother Maria widowed with son Meshach ! > > > > I need to use Parloc now to find Parkend - do you know the name of the > > church? > > > > Many thanks > > Janet > > (jumping with joy at having a "lead" for further reasearch) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Wilding" <john.wilding1@btinternet.com> > > To: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [FoD] JENKINS / DAVIES > > > > > > > Hello again Janet > > > > > > I have had another ferret through my various databases and think that I > > may > > > have found Shadrach's bapt at Parkend. > > > > > > Breams Eaves is mentioned so I think we may be on the right path. > > > > > > JENKINS Shadrach 1831 Aug 28 son of Thomas & Maria Breams Eaves > coalminer > > > PARKEND. > > > > > > A few other children of T & M are mentioned as follows > > > > > > JENKINS Ann Maria 1836 Aug 7 dau of Thomas & Maria Bream miner PARKEND > > > JENKINS Daniel 1826 May 7 son of Thomas & Maria Millhill coalminer > PARKEND > > > JENKINS Elinor 1828 Aug 17 dau of Thomas & Maria Pillowell coalminer > > PARKEND > > > JENKINS James 1824 Jan 25 son of Thomas & Maria Oakenhill coalminer > > PARKEND > > > JENKINS John 1822 Apr 28 son of Thomas & Maria Oakenhill coalminer > PARKEND > > > JENKINS Kezia 1834 Jan 19 dau of Thomas & Maria Breams Eaves collier > > PARKEND > > > JENKINS Mesbach 1836 Aug 7 son of Thomas & Maria Bream miner PARKEND > > > > > > Oakenhill is in Yorkley - 50 years ago I used to deliver papers to > > Oakenhill > > > Lodge! > > > > > > I have small databases for marriages and burials 1750/1840 but I only > have > > > Parkend bapts. > > > > > > At Parkend there are also the following births > > > > > > JENKINS Jane 1837 Oct 8 dau of Maria Woodside single woman PARKEND > > > and > > > JENKINS Harriett 1830 May 23 dau of Maria Whitecroft single woman > PARKEND > > > > > > JENKINS Louisa 1833 Dec 29 dau of Maria Breams Eaves single woman > PARKEND > > > JENKINS William 1827 Nov 25 son of Maria Pillowell single woman PARKEND > > > > > > > > > I do hope that these will be of help. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > > > To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 11:29 AM > > > Subject: Re: [FoD] JENKINS / DAVIES > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > It would be neat if we could make a connection! Shadrach Jenkins is > my > > > > gggrandfather and came from Bream but that is all I know at the moment > > as > > > > fact. I am trying to get a hold of some ideas to follow for further > > > > research. I outline one in my email. > > > > > > > > I agree that George the lodger is a safer bet for you but if he is 20 > > then > > > > he won't be a brother to Shadrach unless he is a twin. He could well > be > > a > > > > cousin. There were a lot of Jenkins in Woodside Bream at the time. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your info, if I can make a link with any of them I'll let > you > > > > know, > > > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > > > Janet Howell > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Wilding" <john.wilding1@btinternet.com> > > > > To: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:35 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [FoD] JENKINS / DAVIES > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Janet > > > > > > > > > > Your message has struck a few chords with me - Caroline Baldwin was > my > > > > > GGGrandmother!! > > > > > > > > > > I believe that she married George Jenkins who was 20 on the 1851 > > census > > > > and > > > > > shown to have been born in Bath. George was a lodger in the Baldwin > > > house > > > > at > > > > > Woodside Bream. I do not have the marriage cert and as there was > > another > > > > > George age 19 also living at Woodside at the time the possibility > > exists > > > > > that the second George married Caroline but I think that the lodger > is > > > > most > > > > > likely! > > > > > > > > > > I haven't tried to trace the descendants of the marriage as they are > > not > > > > my > > > > > direct line so I am not able to answer some of your questions but I > > have > > > > the > > > > > following children for George & Caroline - Maria (my Gt grandmother) > > > > > 13.1.1857 Richard 27.8.1848 Fanny-Maria 23.3.1855 and Sarah Jane > > > > 27.5.1860. > > > > > > > > > > Maria married Thomas Wasley of Deerhurst - known children Florence > > > Maria > > > > > 4.9.1882 Lilly 1879 Osborne T 1880 Henry 24.4.1896. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure that any of this will help you but if it does please > let > > me > > > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > > > > > To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:05 AM > > > > > Subject: [FoD] JENKINS / DAVIES > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following information from 1881 and 1891 census and 2 birth certs > I > > > have > > > > > the > > > > > > following > > > > > > Family so far seems to be > > > > > > name born / place 1891 / 1881 > > > > > > Shadrach Jenkins 1832 Lidney / Bream > > > > > > Sarah Jenkins (neeDavies) 1827 Lidney / Bream Woodside > > > > > > John Jenkins 1857 ? / Bream cert 8th > March > > > 1857 > > > > > reg Coleford > > > > > > William Jenkins 1868 Lidney / ? > > > > > > Sarah Hannah Jenkins 1870 Lidney / Bream Woodside cert > > 30th > > > > > May1870 reg Coleford > > > > > > > > > > > > John may well be the oldest but I am sure there must be more > > children. > > > > I > > > > > > can't find anything on IGI (Shadrach is proving elusive). They > were > > > > > living > > > > > > at West Dean in 1870 when Sarah was born. > > > > > > > > > > > > Using the 1851 Glo census for West Dean online I did find > > > > > > > > > > > > 13 DAVIS William 75 Wood Collier Kemple/Remple? > > > > > > Mary 63 Newent > > > > > > Sarah 24 Dressmaker West Dean > > > > > > Caroline Grand daughter 7 West Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > 14 BALDWIN Frances Widow/er 51 Woolaston > > > > > > Caroline 17 West Dean > > > > > > John 12 Coal Miner West Dean > > > > > > FREEMAN Samuel Lodger 23 Coal Miner West > > Dean > > > > > > JENKINS Lodger 2- Coal Miner Newland > > > > > > > > > > > > 47 JENKINS Maria Widow/er 55 West Dean > > > > > > Mesach ? 12 Coal Miner West Dean > > > > > > Alice 11 West Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > I am working on the theory that this is my Shadrach (lodger) aged > 20 > > > > > living next > > > > > > door to his future wife with his mother and brother Mesach (name > > > fits!) > > > > > > living a few houses away. I remember seeing on a mining history > web > > > > site > > > > > > that a Meshach Jenkins died aged 18. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone add any details to this or come up with helpful > > suggestions > > > > for > > > > > further searches on line? In > > > > > > particular it would help to see the family on 1861 or 1871 census > as > > I > > > > > know > > > > > > they were at Bream, West Dean then for both John and Sarah's > births. > > > > (They > > > > > > have emigrated to Staffordshire by 1891) > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in anticipation > > > > > > > > > > > > Janet Howell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Hello to All Could anyone who has the 1861 or 1871 census for Mitcheldean please give me details of this Lloyd family John LLOYD born about 1817 ( he died early and may not be there but the following would be) ESTHER LLOYD born 1820 WILLIAM LLOYD born 1840 GEORGE LLOYD born 1844 JAMES LLOYD born 1846 LAVINIA born 1850 I should be very grateful for your help Best Wishes Joan

Some candidates to cross check.... John Whysom Born Dec quarter 1838 Monmouth Vol 26 Page 65 ( I think this should be Vol 6a) Sarah Jane Wysom Born Jun quarter 1871 Monmouth Vol 11a Page 34 Margaret Whysom Born Mar quarter 1876 Westbury Vol 6a Page 267 Richard Whysom Born Jun quarter 1878 Westbury Vol 6a Page 273 Phillip Wysom Born Sept quarter 1880 Westbury Vol 6a Page 258 Joseph Whysom Marriage Sept 1881 quarter Westbury Vol 6a Page 367 possible bride Ursula Roberts Lillian Agnes Whysom Born Jun quarter 1899 Westbury ol 6a Page 250 JohnWysom Death aged 21 Dec quarter 1894 Westbury Vol 6a Page 151 In 1881 there is a Wysom Family in Lydbrook as which I think might include Richard & Phillip :- John WYSOM Head M Male 38 Walford, Hereford, England Coal Miner Martha WYSOM Wife M Female 34 Ruardean, Gloucester, England William WYSOM Son Male 10 Ruardean, Gloucester, England Scholar John WYSOM Son Male 7 Ruardean, Gloucester, England Scholar Richard WYSOM Son Male 2 Ruardean, Gloucester, England Phillip WYSOM Son Male 7 m Ruardean, Gloucester, England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling Lydbrook Coppice Census Place Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucester, England Family History Library Film 1341609 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2522 / 36 Page Number 15

i am researching my mothers family of whysom forest of dean westbury on severn i am looking for john whysom wife margaret one son of joseph and a daughter margaret john died 1871 has anybody any info on the 1851 & 1861 census of any whysoms john

Could anyone researching the Gelfe / Jelfe family, or anyone else, throw any light on why one of my Harper ancestors would also have used this name? I found a plaque in the Ruardean church suggesting that the Jelfes were gentlemen if this helps. Many thanks Tigger

List, If anyone is researching the BIBEY surname, I would appreciate you contacting me. Thank You. Alice

Thank-you very much for the information and your very quick response. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "slowhands" <slowhands@onetel.net.uk> To: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk>; <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] JENKINS / DAVIES > St Pauls Parkend > St James Bream > > from memory > > S >