Hi Slowhands You've got the correct family from both your e-mails, there is a difference of age between Thomas & George of a couple of years, but I think they were baptised at the same time. Harriet TEAGUE (nee ASTON) was widowed in October 1860. See below GREAT GREAT GRANDAD GEORGE TEAGUE Son of THOMAS & AMY TEAGUE nee WINTLE Baptised 9th March 1824 in Christchurch Parish Married HARRIET ASTON on 1st June 1846 in the Church of Christ Church, township of West Dean, Gloucestershire George's sister Anne was a witness at their wedding Harriet baptised 20th February1825, daughter of John & Jane Aston. Occupation Collier CHILDREN JAMES TEAGUE baptised 21st April 1847 died 8th April 1865 aged 18 years in a mining accident HANNAH TEAGUE baptised 4th November 1849 (1851 census Section 1X No 9 @ Berry Hill) Married WILLIAM MARTIN March quarter 1875 vol 11a page 62 WILLIAM TEAGUE baptised 30th January 1852 Married Emma ? TOM TEAGUE born 21st March 1857 baptised 23rd April 1857 died 18th April 1922 aged 64 years Married Elizabeth MOUNTAIN in Outwood, Wakefield in 1880, she was born district of Stanley in Yorks in 1858 (My Gt Grandparents) GEORGE TEAGUE baptised 23rd April 1857 Married Emma ? Children Hubert, Annie, Emma Jane, Elizabeth FANNY TEAGUE baptised 19th February 1860 Married HENRY GODWIN 25th October 1896, Fanny aged 36 Witnesses William and Emmie Teague (Brother and Wife) GEORGE TEAGUE died 27th October 1860 aged 37 years HARRIET TEAGUE died 19th March 1914 aged 89 years Both are buried with their son James Teague in Christchurch Parish Church Nr Berry Hill. Did you find them on the 1871 census? Take care Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "slowhands" <slowhands@onetel.net.uk> To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] 1871 census look up please, TEAGUE > Were George and Thomas both born in 1857 ? > > In1851 West Dean.. > > 9 > TEAGUE 26 Collier Berry Hill > Harriet 25 Berry Hill > James 3 Berry Hill > Hannah 1 Berry Hill > > By 1881 LDS has Harriet Widowed from ? > > Harriet TEAGUE Head W Female 55 West Dean, Gloucester, > England Colliers Widow > Thomas TEAGUE Lodger U Male 62 West Dean, Gloucester, > England Land Owner > > Dwelling Berryhill Road > Census Place Newland, Gloucester, England > > > This Thomas is probably :- > Son of Edward and Lucy Teague > Christening: 11 OCT 1818 Christchurch, , Gloucester, England > Death: 06 FEB 1889 Berry Hill, Gloucester, England > Burial: 10 FEB 1889 Christchurch, , Gloucester, England > > With siblings, Jane,James and Mary > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > In 1881 there is a Thomas born approx 1857 Gloucestershire in York > > Thomas TEAGUE Head M Male 23 Gloucester, England Coal > Miner > Eliza TEAGUE Wife M Female 22 Newton > James TEAGUE Son Male 7 Newton Scholar > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Source Information: > Dwelling 32 George St > Census Place Worsbrough, York, England > > > ==== ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN Mailing List ==== > list owner can be contacted on kinetahill@hotmail.com please state mailing list in subject. thank you > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Were George and Thomas both born in 1857 ? In1851 West Dean.. 9 TEAGUE 26 Collier Berry Hill Harriet 25 Berry Hill James 3 Berry Hill Hannah 1 Berry Hill By 1881 LDS has Harriet Widowed from ? Harriet TEAGUE Head W Female 55 West Dean, Gloucester, England Colliers Widow Thomas TEAGUE Lodger U Male 62 West Dean, Gloucester, England Land Owner Dwelling Berryhill Road Census Place Newland, Gloucester, England This Thomas is probably :- Son of Edward and Lucy Teague Christening: 11 OCT 1818 Christchurch, , Gloucester, England Death: 06 FEB 1889 Berry Hill, Gloucester, England Burial: 10 FEB 1889 Christchurch, , Gloucester, England With siblings, Jane,James and Mary >>>>>>>>>>>>> In 1881 there is a Thomas born approx 1857 Gloucestershire in York Thomas TEAGUE Head M Male 23 Gloucester, England Coal Miner Eliza TEAGUE Wife M Female 22 Newton James TEAGUE Son Male 7 Newton Scholar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling 32 George St Census Place Worsbrough, York, England

Hi All Could some kind person do a look up for me from the Gloucester census for TOM TEAGUE born 1857 aged around 14 years living with his Mum HARRIET TEAGUE who was born in 1825 so, she would be around 46 years old. Siblings Hannah TEAGUE born 1849 George TEAGUE born 1857 Fanny TEAGUE born 1860 They are probably living around Berry Hill in the district of Coleford TIA Julie

Not a major success, Julie. I looked for Tom (Thomas) Teague, and found only one who was remotely close to his age, living in his aunt's house in Worcestershire. However, he was born in Worcestershire as well, so if this doesn't jive with the rest of your info, you may well discard it. Thomas Teague, aged 13, born 1858, nephew, born Pershore, Worcestershire, recorded in Pershore, Worcestershire, RG10/3064, Ed. 9, folio 49, pg 8. He was recorded with the following: George Huirdy 50 Pershore, Worcestershire, England Brother St Andrew Worcestershire Jane Maddox 67 Pershore, Worcestershire, England Head St Andrew Worcestershire JPGs available upon request. I couldn't find any of the other family members. Regards, Leigh-Ann --- Julie Hill <julie@hill9200.fslife.co.uk> wrote: > Hi All > Could some kind person do a look up for me from > the Gloucester census for > TOM TEAGUE born 1857 aged around 14 years > living with his Mum HARRIET TEAGUE who was born > in 1825 so, she would be around 46 years old. > Siblings > Hannah TEAGUE born 1849 > George TEAGUE born 1857 > Fanny TEAGUE born 1860 > > They are probably living around Berry Hill in > the district of Coleford > TIA > Julie > > > ==== ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN Mailing List ==== > list owner can be contacted on > kinetahill@hotmail.com please state mailing > list in subject. thank you > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including > the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. > Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Not here. Alan Watkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tinbra1@aol.com> To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] Testing > coming through loud and clear > > Regards > Martin Brace. > > CHANNELL--EWELL, EPSOM, ANYWHERE. > CHIVINGTON--EWELL, SURREY, LONDON, ANYWHERE. > A group for McNamara`s and other Family Names > http://uk.msnusers.com/McNamarasandotherFamilyNames > A group For Chivington`s all over the world > http://uk.msnusers.com/ChivingtonFamilyAllOverTheWorld-/ > > > ==== ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN Mailing List ==== > list owner can be contacted on kinetahill@hotmail.com please state mailing list in subject. thank you > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hello, A relative newcomer to family history have managed to get back to this married pair. I know when they died in Westbury about 1840 and have located 7 baptisms for their children, Mary, William, Charles, Daniel,John, Susannah,Johannah. Does anyone have them included in their own data, I'm interested in a marriage/parentage Joseph and Daniel were ropemakers, does anyone know anything about ropemaking in the Westbury area of Gloucs? Does anyone have a specific interest in Blaisdon? Thanks for your help Tim WatkinJOnes

Hi I do infact have a Henry - my greatgreatgrandfather. His father was Thomas and he was born about 1825, as far as I know in Shropshire. Thomas Howell I know nothing about yet so his brother or father could well be a Henry and it is quite feasible that they moved a county north to Shropshire (as they then emigrated to Staffordshire before 1851 census). My Glos interest is Jenkins - Sarah Hannah, father Shadrach. She is my greatgrandmother on my maternal line. They emigrated to Staffordshire when the coal ran out in FoDean. I'd love to know more about your Henry as it may give me a clue in my search for my Howell / Howle family. You never know , there maybe a link!! Janet Howell karvic wrote: > Hi Janet, You don't have a Henry Howell in your family (1800's) do you? >I have one in my family and they also come from Glos. Thanks, Vicki > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Howell" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [FoD] Testing > > > > Hi > > > > Just testing as I have had no mail on this list since end of June. Is > > everyone on holiday? > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN Mailing List ==== > > list owner can be contacted on kinetahill@hotmail.com please state >mailing list in subject. thank you > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Just testing as I have had no mail on this list since end of June. Is everyone on holiday? Janet > >

coming through loud and clear Regards Martin Brace. CHANNELL--EWELL, EPSOM, ANYWHERE. CHIVINGTON--EWELL, SURREY, LONDON, ANYWHERE. A group for McNamara`s and other Family Names http://uk.msnusers.com/McNamarasandotherFamilyNames A group For Chivington`s all over the world http://uk.msnusers.com/ChivingtonFamilyAllOverTheWorld-/

Hi Does anyone have access to the 1851 census for Littledean? I am looking for JOSEPH MARSH who on the 1881 census is living with his uncle DANIEL MARSH in Birmingham. Joseph is shown as being 31 years old so should appear on the 1851 census. The odd thing is that on the IGI the only Joseph I can find is the son of Daniel !! Any suggestions gratefully received. Eric

Thank you for this. From the notes which I have, pannage was allowed again in 1687, and the implication from the quote which I have noted below is that the collection of wood was only banned from a limited area. Probably the new verderers decided to ban it anyway so as to protect their private interests. Wishing you every success in your researches, Giles Colchester, researching family COLCHESTER, any place any time any spelling I had picked it up the references in respect of the 1668 Act from A R Warmington, Civil War, Interregnum and Restoration in Gloucestershire, 1997. The quote was as follows: "The gentry of the Forest area, headed by Worcester and Throckmorton, and supported by the surveyor-general, Sir Charles Harbord, and the Commons, took the offensive in November 1667. They suggested that the best way to preserve timber and satisfy the commoners would be to enclose a third and reafforest the rest, allowing the commoners the rights of pannage and estboot there. Wintour evidently saw the end coming, for he tried to smuggle his iron out, but Throckmorton and Harbord reported this and the stocks were seized.77 On 9 May 1668, the Dean Forest (Reafforestation) Act received the king's assent. Largely based on the 1667 proposals and citing as a motive the total destruction of timber in the forest, this enacted that 11 ,000 acres, including the Lea Baly, should be enclosed as a timber nursery and all common rights extinguished there. It was hoped that the sale of decayed and non-timber trees would finance the fencing. The Forest was reafforested within the 1634 perambulation and the traditional offices were reactivated. Pannage, a right most useful to the indigent poor, was extinguished until 1687. In compensa- tion, the rigours of Forest Law were not to be enforced. The inhabitants were allowed free rein on the lands outside the enclosure, without any need to procure licences to take wood.78 In practice, this meant that the Forest was handed back to the propertied inhabitants. The JPs gained the power to regulate felling and at least two had to be present before the enclosure commissioners could act. These men were, in any case, hand picked by Worcester from among the local gentry. Duncombe Colchester and the Cookes became the new verderers, while the regarders consisted of Pyrkes, Goughs, Worgans and other minor gentry of Dean. A mention of rioters pulling down hedges in June 1670 shows that, once again, not everyone was content. The riot was the result of moves towards enclosure, after a swanimote court agreed on a site to plant acorns. As early as July and August 1669, the Treasury remonstrated with the officials in Dean about the destruction of young trees by animals and the colliers' taking of wood, presum- ably from the enclosed area.79 The government evidently saw the act as another means to the end it had always pursed, that of making Dean profitable through careful management." References: 77 CTB ii. 131,268-70,275-6,284,287,289,301; Hart, Royal forest, 166. 78 Statutes of the realm, 19 & 20 Car. II c.8. 79 CTB ii. 428,439,446,448,452,454,459,467; iii. 112,170,262,457. ----- Original Message ----- From: slowhands <slowhands@onetel.net.uk> To: Giles Colchester <gsc@mydsq.freeserve.co.uk>; <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] Pannage and estboot ( Background) > > The Forest of Dean is subject to ancient rights and customs. Management of > the Forest takes place in consultation with the Verderers, who are > responsible for overseeing the "vert and venison" (trees and deer). Meetings > of the Verderers Court have been held in the Speech House since 1218. In > practice, the Verderers are consulted about the whole range of management > issues affecting the statutory Forest. > > Though not officially regarded as a common, there is a tradition of open > grazing dating back at least five hundred years which means that > free-roaming sheep grazing is officially suffered as a privilege outside the > enclosures. > > There is a continuing tradition of estovers (firewood collection), although > formal rights to this were removed by the 1668 Dean Reafforestation Act and > the tradition of pannage (pig grazing) also continues. > > The other Common Rights frequently encountered are :- > > common of pasture : the right to turn stock on to the common to graze; > > common of pannage : the right to allow the commoner's pigs to enter a given > wood in order to eat the acorns or beech mast which there fall to the > ground; > > common of estovers : the right to take underwood and/or small branches, > bracken etc, either for fuel, for animal litter or for repairing the > commoner's fences or buildings; > > common of turbary : the right to dig turf or peat for use as fuel in the > commoner's house; > > common of piscary : the right to take, for consumption in the commoner's own > household, fish from a common pond or stream; and > > common in the soil : the right to take sand, gravel, stone or minerals for > use on the commoner's land. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: slowhands <slowhands@onetel.net.uk> To: Giles Colchester <gsc@mydsq.freeserve.co.uk>; <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] Pannage and estboot > Estovers - the right to collect firewood > > > I guess a better link to Foresters Rights is required - I'll try to find > one - or maybe SKS can point the way > > ----- Original Message ----- From: slowhands <slowhands@onetel.net.uk> To: Giles Colchester <gsc@mydsq.freeserve.co.uk>; <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] Pannage and estboot > Pannage is the right to graze - pigs I think - but anyone who drives the > Forest today would instantly think Sheep ! > > Estboot - got me there , what is the context? is this transcribed from a > legal doc ? > > S >

The Forest of Dean is subject to ancient rights and customs. Management of the Forest takes place in consultation with the Verderers, who are responsible for overseeing the "vert and venison" (trees and deer). Meetings of the Verderers Court have been held in the Speech House since 1218. In practice, the Verderers are consulted about the whole range of management issues affecting the statutory Forest. Though not officially regarded as a common, there is a tradition of open grazing dating back at least five hundred years which means that free-roaming sheep grazing is officially suffered as a privilege outside the enclosures. There is a continuing tradition of estovers (firewood collection), although formal rights to this were removed by the 1668 Dean Reafforestation Act and the tradition of pannage (pig grazing) also continues. The other Common Rights frequently encountered are :- common of pasture : the right to turn stock on to the common to graze; common of pannage : the right to allow the commoner's pigs to enter a given wood in order to eat the acorns or beech mast which there fall to the ground; common of estovers : the right to take underwood and/or small branches, bracken etc, either for fuel, for animal litter or for repairing the commoner's fences or buildings; common of turbary : the right to dig turf or peat for use as fuel in the commoner's house; common of piscary : the right to take, for consumption in the commoner's own household, fish from a common pond or stream; and common in the soil : the right to take sand, gravel, stone or minerals for use on the commoner's land.

Estovers - the right to collect firewood I guess a better link to Foresters Rights is required - I'll try to find one - or maybe SKS can point the way

Pannage is the right to graze - pigs I think - but anyone who drives the Forest today would instantly think Sheep ! Estboot - got me there , what is the context? is this transcribed from a legal doc ? S

Could somebody tell me what were the rights of pannage and estboot in the Forest of Dean in the 1660's? I don't know what these words mean. Giles Colchester, researching family COLCHESTER, any place any time any spelling

This is the only Henry Jones age 38 currently in Gloucestershire on Ancestry.com 1871 census: Henry Jones 38 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Head Berkeley Gloucestershire - Labourer Hannah Jones 35 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Berkeley Gloucestershire Thomas Jones 11 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley Gloucestershire Eliza A Jones 9 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berkeley Gloucestershire Ellen L Jones 7 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berkeley Gloucestershire Albert Jones 5 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley Gloucestershire Francis Jones 2 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley Gloucestershire It could be a fit - not sure if Berkeley counts as West Dean. If you'd like the image let me know. Cheers Helen <snip> Hi Would anyone with the 1871 census do a look-up for a family of JONES in West DEan Henry coalminer 38 born West Dean wife Hannah 37 also born West Dean. In 1881 they had a son Henry but he was only 3. They may have had other children with them then. In particular a Jane JONES aged about 14 Thank you Sylvia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 16/06/2003

Hi All I have been trying for a couple of months now to get my hands on a book called: The Forest of Dean Revisited by Joyce Latham I have tried all the bookshops in the Forest, the publisher, Sutton Publishing. Local bookshops in Hereford, the county library, the bookshops in Hay on Wye. Book search companies. Has anyone any suggestions where else I can look or has anyone out there got a copy that I could buy off them (beg, steal) or borrow??? PLEASE Julie

I am back on the trail of my Hale/Woodward line and would be interested in hearing from anyone who has the following in their research please. Fred Woodward (1884) - married Edith Hale(1885) in 1903 and they had children, that I have found so far, Reginald in 1904 and Ellen in 1905. Both children were born at The Reddings in East Dean. Many thanks Diane --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 18/06/2004

I am resubscribing after a break and am interested in GWILLIAM in Littledean and HALLIER in Newnham, Arlingham & Wickwar. My 3x great grandparents were John Gwiiliam & Lavinia Hallier who married in Newnham in 1844. Would love to hear from anybody who might be connected. Peter Bolson Cumbria __________________________________________________ Broadband from an unbeatable £15.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/home.html?code=SM-NL-11AM

For the information of anyone who helped me with the brick wall above I finally bit the bullet and paid 5 Pounds to search 1837 Online and I found the birth of my Mary Ann after 10 years. The interesting thing for any listers other than the Uk was that I was able to ring the General Records Office and order over the phone which was so easy. They told me that in about a month it will be possible to order on line from anywhere in the world as long as you have the necessary references. This really is great news for us overseas listers Cheers Julie Faull