Hi, Janet, Thanks for including the answers sent to you by other list users. If we all used "Reply to all" we could all see that you have received information and maybe find it useful in our own research. Regards, John

Hi Steve So glad to make contact with you. As yet I have not found an Absalom but research is in early days, but with names like Shadrach and brother Meshach I would not be surprised if they were not related! I believe Shadrach was baptised at Park End as sks sent me a whole family baptised there, parents Thomas and Maria. And I have this family on 1841 census Mill Hill. Maria is at Mill Hill as a widow in 1851. Shadrach was born about 1832 and gives his place of birth as Bream or Lidney (sic) on later censuses. Some questions I am asking myself are these ..... Shadrach and Sarah seem to have had 4 children baptised at the Bible Christian Chapel, Bream - is this the Clements End chapel? The children were John (1857), Evan (1865), William (1868) and Sarah Hanah (1870). Were there any children born to them between 1857 and 1865? (Logically I would expect 2 children). Did they die? Where would they have been buried? I believe Evan may have died prior to the family moving to Staffs in 1881-91 Where were Shadrach and Sarah married (sometime 1850 - 1856 ?) ie were the chapel allowed to perform marriages or would it have been performed somewhere else? (At Bream church or maybe a civil wedding blessed at the chapel? Or were they married before the chapel came into existance?) What part did Shadrach play in the life of the chapel? I believe an article in Dean Forest Mercury of 1990 states Shadrach was a trustee of the Chapel in 1904 - this was after his move to Staffs. What was a trustee? Do you know of this article? I had a thought that Shadrach moved to Staffs for the mining as it was perhaps not flourishing in Bream but maybe he went to "spread the word" as methodism was flouishing in The Potteries. I would love any info on Shadrach Jenkins, his wife Sarah Davis (born Bream Eaves) or any of their family (I believe Thomas was father to Shadrach and William father to Sarah). I would love to read any info on nonconformism/bible chapel in Bream or freemining to fill in local history and make Shadrach and Sarah "come to life" as it were eg did Shadrach ever work his own gale? I have read through all the gale descriptions on a FoD site and not seen him but there are other Jenkins. If it is at all possible I would love a picture of the Chapel - as it is now or from the past. There is nothing on the web that I can find. I don't expect all the above can be answered but any bit of info to lead to further research/reading would be most welcome. Janet Howell Steve Papworth wrote: > Janet, > > My mother-in-law, with the married name of Jenkins, lives in Chapel > House, adjacent to Clement's End Chapel, and has been closely > associated with it all her life. > > What details are you interested in? I can always get the informatioin > from her. > > I wonder if your Shadrach is related to my wife's line? I have a Mary > Ann JENKINS and Eliza JENKINS, both daughters of Absalom JENKINS and > his wife Elizabeth (nee LEWIS). The family has always lived around > Bream, so they may be connected. > > Cheers.....Steve >

Thank you so much for your clarification of the census indx and the info. This is indeed the Sarah Davis I am trying to show was my gg-grandmother - but I would like to be more sure by finding her father on the marriage cert. Maybe Shadrach had completed his year as a miner and put in his application well before March 1851 but this date was when the status was granted. So it could be my Shadrach in Glamorgan - place of birth being wrong as someone else gave the info / enumerator just lazy with the dittos. What info you have about the entry would be greatly appreciated. I am surprised that West Dean is not covered on 1861 Glos CD - is it covered somewhere else or just omitted? My guess at a nonconformist connection was right! Thanks for this. I knew about John, William and Sarah H but not about Evan K. I shall certainly write to Cinderford - I did not know that the marriages were indexed so the cost of a search will be much less. In the past I have been asked for a parish before a search could be undertaken. Again, thank you so much for the leads and information - my search can take off in a possitive direction again. Janet Howell Staffordshire PS I have Shadrach and family in Staffs from 1881 and in Staffs I was stuck for a long time until I discovered Bream was in Gloucestershire not Staffordshire !! Michael G wrote: > Hello Janet, > > I regret to say that he does not appear to be listed in the GFHS 1851 > Census transcript which is a complete one and does not miss any areas > of Gloucestershire. There are JENKINS families in Bream so it is > possible that he was missing at the time or just missed by the > enumerator. BTW the date of the Census was 30 March. > There is a Shadrach Jenkins aged 22 listed in the Glamorgan 1851 but > place of birth is given as Glam and to be a Freeminer you have to be > born in the Forest of Dean and have worked in a mine for a year and a day. >

Does anyone have access to a complete index for 1851? I have searched the online records and index and a kind person called Jules has done a lookup on their transcription index (via a lookup service and it seems more accurate) but there is no sign at all of Shadrach Jenkins. In March 1851 Shadrach became a freeminer, aged 22 and living Breams Eaves. I am not sure what social/financial implication this had but I am sure it would not mean he fled Gloucestershire between March 31st and the census that year. If sks has access to the census images or a full index could they check to see if they can spot Shadrach - anywhere? Apparently some areas of FoD are not transcribed or in the indexes above. If I can locate where Shadrach is in 1851 and/or 1861 then maybe I can find his marriage to Sarah Davis (not yet on IGI or FreeBMD) - crucial to taking my maternal line back through Sarah. I am also trying to fill in back ground history re mining / freeminers and also the rise of nonconformist religion (particularly Clements End chapel) - does anyone have good suggestions for books or online resources? Any helpful reading or info appreciated - it will be a while until I can get to visit Gloucester Many thanks in advance Janet Howell Staffordshire

This is Ann Clifford wife of Alfred at home with her mother and son Fred in Minchinhampton 1851 77 CLIFFORD Sarah Widr 58 Laundress Beverstone Jane Grand Daughter 15 Minchinhampton HALL John Grand Son 10 Minchinhampton PEGLAR Anne Daughter Married 32 Laundress Minchinhampton Alfred Son in Law 29 Broom Dealer Minchinhampton Frederick Grandson 6 ?? Alfred died in August 1871 In 1881 son Fred :- Frederick PEGLAR Head M Male 36 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England Slater Sarah PEGLAR Wife M Female 35 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Frederick PEGLAR Son U Male 11 Islington, Middlesex, England Alfred PEGLAR Son U Male 16 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England Slaters Labourer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling Campsbourne Rd Census Place Hornsey, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341334 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1374 / 58 Page Number 43 and widowed Ann Annie PEGLER Head W Female 61 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England Laundress Charles PEGLER Son U Male 20 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England Cook And Confectioner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling 69 Dartmoor St Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341006 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0026 / 70 Page Number 25 All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

Hello list I am looking for the Pegler family who in 1871 lived at the Cross hands Inn at Stonehouse. Alfred Pegler born 1822 Minchinhampton Annie wife 1820 Their children: Annie born 1859 Charles 1862 Alfred 1864 Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Carolyn

Clare, Not sure if it's of any interest, but my wife's great uncle (Will JONES b abt 1890) married Eva DORRINGTON, and had at least two children - Dorothy and Lucy. Further information (of the JONES line) available if of interest. Cheers....Steve >From: RosalindtheFair@aol.com >To: ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [FoD] Francis Richard HATTON >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:21:50 -0500 > > > >Good Morning listers > > A little while ago I asked for any information about Annie Hatton, >living somewhere in the Forest of Dean area, born 1893. She was found on >the 1901 census living with her mother Eliza and seven siblings in Yorkley, >which place rang a bell with the friend whose family I'm looking up. Oddly, >none of these 8 people apparently have any occupation, even 17 year old >Bessie. I wonder what they lived on! > > Anyway, a marriage certificate has now been found for Annie (who >married Daniel Dorrington) and it says her father was Francis Richard >Hatton, who is currently invisible in 1881 and 1891 (when he must have been >alive to beget Annie, and indeed Annie's younger brother and sister) Eliza >was a widow in 1901 and Francis' occupation a collier.I have tried looking >for Frank, and Richard.There certainly are Richard Hattons around but so >far I've not found Francis. > >Any help greatly appreciated. > >Clare (in Oxford) > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

his Birth ref is Sept Quarter 1850 Hatton Richard Francis Monmouth Vol XXVI Page 92 ( could be 72 ?) Regards S All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

In 1851 West Dean - Young Francis 10 HATTON Richard 26 Labourer West Dean Mary Ann 24 West Dean Charlotte 3 West Dean Francis 6m West Dean In 1891 he is recorded as 40yr old Image offline All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

Good morning again Just to say that details of Francis Richard HATTON ( census details from 1851, 1881 and 1891, his marriage and death refs )have been sent to me by two very kind people, thank you. That's wonderful Clare

Good Morning listers A little while ago I asked for any information about Annie Hatton, living somewhere in the Forest of Dean area, born 1893. She was found on the 1901 census living with her mother Eliza and seven siblings in Yorkley, which place rang a bell with the friend whose family I'm looking up. Oddly, none of these 8 people apparently have any occupation, even 17 year old Bessie. I wonder what they lived on! Anyway, a marriage certificate has now been found for Annie (who married Daniel Dorrington) and it says her father was Francis Richard Hatton, who is currently invisible in 1881 and 1891 (when he must have been alive to beget Annie, and indeed Annie's younger brother and sister) Eliza was a widow in 1901 and Francis' occupation a collier.I have tried looking for Frank, and Richard.There certainly are Richard Hattons around but so far I've not found Francis. Any help greatly appreciated. Clare (in Oxford)

Hi to all I have at last managed to find my GG Grandmothers birth in 1855 to an Edward and Harriet Aston nee Davies. Edward was a carpenter. Mary's birth was registered Trelleck,Monmouth but I believe they then moved back to St Briavels,later children were baptised at St Briavels. In 1851 Edward was living in St Briavels. Any help with parish lookups, 1861 census or anything on the Aston family would be great. I am struggling with this line. Many thanks to anyone who can help. Nicky

Richard Meek was born around 1824 at East Dean. He married Hannah. They had eight children, John, b. 1849; Richard, b. 1851; Thomas, b. 1853; Alfred, b. 1856; Enos, b. 1857; John, b. 1859; Simeon, b. 1866; and Albert b. 1871. Richard died before 1881. John Meek was born in 1859 at East Dean. He married Jane Meek (born 1860) at the Church of Holy Trinity, Forest of Dean on 25 Dec 1884. They had seven children, Harold,b . 1886; Frederick, b. 1888; Arthur, b. 1889; Herbert Giles, b. 1892; Bertram John, b. 1894; Henrietta, b. 1896 and Arthur b. 1802. John died on 24 January 1904 at Forest of Dean, Bertram John was born 22 February 1894 at Morse Road, East Dean. He married Annie Mona Knilands in 1923 after he's moved to Newcastle upon Tyne. Does anyone have any info on this Meek Family?

Hi Nicky, Here are your ggg & gggg/grandparents. ! I have this family in my family tree. My connection is....through the name GWYNN. Edward b. 1830 had an older brother Emmanuel b. 1822, he married 8.1.1844 Penalt, Mon, to Ann Ambury GWYNN b. 1823 Berry Hill, Glos. They actually emigrated to Virginia US. sometime aft. 1851. So Edwin below, must be a brother of your Mary. Thanks for the DAVIES name, I wasn't aware of that. Descendants of Emmanuel Aston 1 Emmanuel Aston b: 1787 Coleford, Glos d: 29.10.1869 West Dean, Glos F1: Woodcutter 1851 Baptism: 1.4.1787 +Elizabeth Rudge b: 1786 St Briavels, Glos, m: 7.3.1813 d: 11.12.1870 West Dean, Glos 2 Edward Aston b: 4.2.1830 Coleford Glos - can't find in 1881 F1: Woodcutter 1851 census F2: Not found in 1881 census. +Harriett ? b: 1833 West Dean, Glos 3 Edwin Aston b: 1850 West Dean, Glos d: 19.6.1919 Berry Hill, Coleford, Glos +Elizabeth ? b: 1855 d: 2.3.1922 Berry Hill, Coleford, Glos Look forward to exchanging information. Best Wishes....Hazel ---original message--- From: liam@liamlynch.freeserve.co.uk (Nicky/Liam) To: ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com Hi to all I have at last managed to find my GG Grandmothers birth in 1855 to an Edward and Harriet Aston nee Davies. Edward was a carpenter. Mary's birth was registered Trelleck,Monmouth but I believe they then moved back to St Briavels,later children were baptised at St Briavels. In 1851 Edward was living in St Briavels. Any help with parish lookups, 1861 census or anything on the Aston family would be great. I am struggling with this line. Many thanks to anyone who can help. Nicky

What a great site. Thanks. I have just had a very quick peek - now I am going to spend the next.......... looking through properly. What time will tea be? Late tonight I should think !! Gwyn

>> I have recently been transcribing some old Bream (St. James) Parish Magazines for a friend Geoff Davis who runs www.Sungreen.co.uk Hi Malcolm, Well done!! Congratulations !! This is a brilliant site. I am sure I will be able to contribute some photos for other parishes, when I get them organised. Best Wishes....Hazel

Hello List, I have recently been transcribing some old Bream (St. James) Parish Magazines for a friend Geoff Davis who runs www.Sungreen.co.uk to quote from the site: "The content of the St James Parish Magazines provide information both on the church, the people and events in the parish. They describe entertainment and social events, and list Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials. They also provide clues to the where some of the villagers lived, and their occupations." We have now exhausted our supply of material for transcription, there are over 80 magazines to view at present from the years 1867 to 1975 but of course there are many missing editions within these years. Geoff would dearly like more old Bream Parish Magazines to add to the collection. If any of you have any such material in your possession and would be willing to loan them to Geoff or provide legible scans he would be extremely grateful ( and so would I ), his contact address is on the website, or if you wish contact me directly. The Sungreen is well worth a visit, it contains countless old photo's of both people and places within the Forest and is expanding almost daily. Best Wishes, Malcolm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 27/10/2004

Hi there Here is my surname interest. Meek Forest of Dean, Newent. Hill Aston Ingham. Baggs F O D Price llantillio Creceny. Nash Coleford Fetter Hill. Margaret Meek Doncaster

Hi All Seeking information on Lily Teague Roberts and her brother Thomas Harold Teague Roberts who were born in the Forest of Dean in Gloucestershire. They are the children of Rosa Ellen Roberts (nee Cooper) and Tom Teague. Both children were born "out of wedlock" as Rosa and Tom didn't marry until 1921, just before his death in 1922. Lily was born in 1898 Thomas H was an "infant" according to his Fathers will in 1921 so not sure of date, possibly 1915+ Any information would be greatly appreciated Julie

Hi Rachel Sorry I called you Julie in my last message - all the water we've got here at the present must have addled my brain. Anyway, hope that you have nowgot all the information Maria