Hello List, Thanks to all who have replied with information to my question regarding BLAKENEY HILL,. It would be hard to answer all in person, but thanks again regards Bill

Mary Ann Meek born circa 1847-1850 Drybrook Father Richard Meek She Married Thomas Hardy Trotter 11 Jan 1874 at St. Johns Church East Dean They had 2 Children William Henry Trotter 1874 Clara Hardy Trotter 1875 Thomas died in 1876 Mary Ann then married William Henry Palmer 20 May 1877 St. Johns Church,East Dean. They came to Rhondda Valley a little later and had 5 children that I know of. Flora 1878 Philip Henry 1880 Charlotte Annie 1882 Richard James 1886 Alice Maud 1893 I have both marriage certs. T.H.Trotter aged 44 widower Innkeeper micheldean father John Trotter Grocer, M.A.Meek aged 27 spinster East Dean father Richard Meek Collier witnesses look like Wm Marfell & Mary Marfell Henry Palmer aged 21 batchelor Hostler Woodside father Philip Palmer Farmer M.A.Trotter aged 29 widow Woodside father Richard Meek Collier witnesses look like J Palmer & Alice Meek. I know that W.H.Palmer came from Devon and I have his information. Any information anyone can give on MEEK or TROTTER families would be of great help. Kind Regards David.

Hello S. Thanks for your response , important as it confirms another source, Best Regards, Peter ---- Original Message ----- From: "Slowhands" <slowhands@onetel.com> To: <ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "peter webb" <peter.webb2@btinternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [FoD] 1841 Census > They show in 1851 West Dean section XII ( Lydbrook ?) as :- > > 70 > WEBB Isaac 42 Labourer Horsley > Eliza 41 Cheltenham > William 19 Labourer Horsley > Mary Ann 17 Horsley > Peter 1 West Dean > > > If this helps narrow the search for them.... > > S > > All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan >

>We have knowledge of a birth in 1854 at BLAKENEY HILL with the christening at LYDNEY. But this birth is shown on BMD as >registered at NORTHLEACH. Bill just to clarify my earlier response. I would expect to find the Birth registered under Chepstow, Monmouthshire for Lydney/Blakeney ( gloucestershire) in GRO vol 11a. If your info comes from FreeBMD rather than the "real" register you may have found the "wrong" individual - same name perhaps. It is possible that the individual was recorded in Northleach, if perhaps the family moved shortly after birth/christening from Blakeney, but this would be unusual, ( but not impossible) If I can help resolve this further for you , please mail me. regards S All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

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Bill, I would expect anything happening in Lydney & Blakeney to be recorded at Monmouth in the 1850s. Remember that FreeBMD is not complete. Anyone wishing to provide additional information is always welcome. Personally, every time I go to the FRC, I write down all the "hits" I get of names I am searching - even if they're not the ones I want. I then check if they are in FreeBMD, and if not, put them into the right spreadsheet format and send them off to be included. If everyone did this, we would soon complete the indexes. (See the FreeBMD pages for information on how to become a contributor). Cheers.....Steve >From: "BILL BURROWS" <billburrows@wispuk.net> >To: ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [FoD] BLAKENEY HILL >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:46:38 -0000 > >Hello List, >New to the list and asking for help! > >We have knowledge of a birth in 1854 at BLAKENEY HILL with the christening >at LYDNEY. But this birth is shown on BMD as registered at NORTHLEACH. Is >this the area for registrations from these places? > >Regards Bill > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

here is a likely relative, perhaps a brother or cousin to Caroline in 1851 Mitcheldean 82 HODGES Charles 34 Labourer Lea Hamlet Mary Ann 27 Dressmaker Weston under Penyard Ann 8 Scholar Weston under Penyard Sarah 6 Scholar Weston under Penyard Elizabeth 4 Weston under Penyard Jane 7m Mitchel Dean in 1871 Charles is widowed at home with Ann 28 Eliza 11 Fred 8 George 2 in 1881 Charles still in Lea but remarried Charles HODGES Head M Male 66 Lea, Hereford, England Railway Platelayer Eliza HODGES Wife M Female 69 Mitcheldean, Gloucester, England Wife Of Platelayer And Grocer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Census Place Lea Upper, Hereford, England All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

In East Dean 1851 , looks like Thomas / Caroline 74 HARRIS Thomas 40 wood cutter Walford Caroline 29 Dean Forest Elizabeth 6 East Dean John 4 East Dean Ann 2 East Dean Lea in 1841 was split between Herefordshire and Gloucestershire ( united in 1844) <there is also a Leys Hill, in Herefordshire near to Walford.> but I think the marriage you refer to was at St Johns Church, Lea. There is a Caroline Hodges, daughter of Jonathan and Sarah Hodges chr. 18 Jan 1824 in Weston under Penyard, which is pretty close to Lea. on the Ross on Wye road. regards S All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

They show in 1851 West Dean section XII ( Lydbrook ?) as :- 70 WEBB Isaac 42 Labourer Horsley Eliza 41 Cheltenham William 19 Labourer Horsley Mary Ann 17 Horsley Peter 1 West Dean If this helps narrow the search for them.... S All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

Bill No; Blakeney and Lydney are in the West of the County , Northleach is over in the East regards S All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

Hello List, New to the list and asking for help! We have knowledge of a birth in 1854 at BLAKENEY HILL with the christening at LYDNEY. But this birth is shown on BMD as registered at NORTHLEACH. Is this the area for registrations from these places? Regards Bill

Hi Lodger Jenkins is George, aged 20, born Bath, who I think marries Caroline Baldwin. The clarification comes from a lookup on a better transcription. On the other hand I am "claiming" Sarah Davis as my gggrandmother and Maria, widow, as Shadrach's mother (so ggggrandmother) - just need the "proof" now. A search of 1851 has failed to find my Shadrach but I have a theory that he was not enumerated as he was signing for his freeminer status the following day so would be travelling on census day. So I have stopped looking for him on 1851 census but 1861 census will give valuable info so this will be my next target. I did mention that I had a photo in a brooch that has come down to me through my maternal grandmother. I went to the local museum yesterday to try to date the photo - we decided that it was of a woman aged about 40-50 in 1860 style dress. It is a tinted photo (which they produced from 1860 onwards). 1860 style was still being worn by older women/working women/methodist women much later. I recon the pic is of Sarah Jenkins nee Davis, born 1827, so 50 in 1877 and the pic was taken in late 1870's for husband Shadrach or son John to take with them when they "emigrated" to Stoke-on-Trent. Shadrach and John went to SOT first (before 1881) then Sarah and other family followed later (after 1881). I have also been playing with the Glos Genealogy database. There are 5 non-conformist entries for a Shadrach as father that also match the dates for a Sarah as mother - and 4 of the dates correspond with the birth dates of the 4 known children. I am now going to try and work out who the 5th one is by looking to see who was born in 1862. I can order the entries - but at £18 each!! Way out of my pocket at the moment. One of the children is Evan Neary Jenkins born 1865, but elsewhere I have him as Evan Keary Jenkins - usual questions I ask myself are which is correct and where on earth does Neary/Keary come from!! Only clue is that an Evan Jenkins, born Glos, aged 16 is on 1881 census living with the Neary family in London. Maybe that when Shadrach and John moved to SOT, Shadrach's son Evan ran away to London. The ironic thing is that this Evan is a barman living in a pub - a bit off for a methodist son!! By 1901 there is an Evan Jenkins, 35, working as a miner in SOT so maybe he mended his ways, but as yet there is no sign of a wife and family for him (need to down load the 1901 entry yet to learn more). Thanks for the web links - lots of Jenkins listed on one site but no indication of county or mine (you have to pay for that info!) - but at least I have written down the names. But still no Meshach - I have a memory that the web site I saw it on had a lime green background and the name was mis-spelt but age was 18. Janet Howell Staffordshire Slowhands wrote: >Janet > > >In West Dean 1851 there is in Section V > >14 >BALDWIN Frances Widow/er 51 Woolaston >Caroline 17 West Dean >John 12 Coal Miner West Dean >FREEMAN Samuel Lodger 23 Coal Miner West Dean >JENKINS Lodger 2- Coal Miner Newland > >Could this be Shadrach ?_ the census handwriting is described as poor so >you might need to see a scan of the census book... > > > >

Also a useful resource for pit deaths can be found here www.forestofdeanhistory.org.uk - the organisation are hoping to bring out a cd with such information on next year, but for now, there is some info on the web page. Regards -----Original Message----- From: Slowhands [mailto:slowhands@onetel.com] Sent: 10 November 2004 00:41 To: ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FoD] Re:1851 or 1861 census / Minimg deaths http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/deaths.htm Is probably the most comprehensive list of mining deaths ... There is also an initiative to "capture" and preserve a database of all mining deaths in the Forest, at one time part of this work was online - that is where I 'm sure your information about Meshach's death was .. http://www.lhi.org.uk/projects_directory/projects_by_region/south_west/glouc estershire/forest_of_dean_local_history_society/index.html Sample at http://www.users.waitrose.com/~iapope/fatalitiesopen.html Regards S All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan ============================== Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/deaths.htm Is probably the most comprehensive list of mining deaths ... There is also an initiative to "capture" and preserve a database of all mining deaths in the Forest, at one time part of this work was online - that is where I 'm sure your information about Meshach's death was .. http://www.lhi.org.uk/projects_directory/projects_by_region/south_west/gloucestershire/forest_of_dean_local_history_society/index.html Sample at http://www.users.waitrose.com/~iapope/fatalitiesopen.html Regards S All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

Janet In West Dean 1851 there is in Section V 14 BALDWIN Frances Widow/er 51 Woolaston Caroline 17 West Dean John 12 Coal Miner West Dean FREEMAN Samuel Lodger 23 Coal Miner West Dean JENKINS Lodger 2- Coal Miner Newland Could this be Shadrach ?_ the census handwriting is described as poor so you might need to see a scan of the census book... A few doors away - a William Davis ( Kemply ?) and daughter Sarah 13 DAVIS William 75 Wood Collier Kemple/Remple? Mary 63 Newent Sarah 24 Dressmaker West Dean Caroline Grand daughter 7 West Dean a little later there are :- 47 JENKINS Maria Widow/er 55 West Dean Mesach ? 12 Coal Miner West Dean Alice 11 West Dean regards S All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

Hi Folkes, Desperation has set in can anyone help? Looking foe SKS to look up the 1841 Census of FOD for- Head .Isaac WEBB: mar :age 31. b.1808 at HorslyGlos. Wife Eliza " b.1810 at Chippenham, Wiltshire Son William b. 1832 at Horsley,Glos. Dau. Mary Ann b. 1834 at Horsley Glos. TIA Peter Webb, Uk

Hi This is the marriage I had in mind but it means Maria was only 15 or 16 at the time. Also it seems not to fit the 1841 data which gives Thomas as 35 and Maria as 45 - I know they round the ages down to the nearest 5 yrs but at best this means Thomas is 39 and Maria 45 - still 6 yrs older. The only other Thomas x Maria marriage I have at the moment is Thomas x Maria Harris 1818 at Cheltenham - better fit for year ie Thomas about 16, Maria about 22 and fits for age of oldest son Thomas given as 20 on 1841 - but not so good for place. As always we keep out options open and keep looking! Thanks for the further web links, I'll do some exploring of them later today. Janet Howell Staffordshire Michael Gwilliam wrote: > Hello Janet, > > From GFHS Marriage Index: > > 17 Sep 1811 Thomas JENKINS married Maria PRIEST by Banns at Newland. > > Best wishes > Mike > >

Hi Michael Thank you so much for the software link - it is excellent!! I downloaded it today and have spent a happy hour downloading all the Jenkins living in Staffordshire in 1901. I then used the excel sort to sort on age within page number to better group the families. I then noticed something very strange - so many of the families have no male head of house, there are male children and 40+ males but almost all men 20 to 40 are missing. I wonder if they were all off at the Boer War? Thank you also for the info re freemining certificates - its virtually a set of instructions for me to go and find out about Shadrach Jenkins. The snippet you put at the botton re a gale awarded to John jnr and Thomas Jenkins was intrigueing - maybe this Thomas is Shadrach's father? I found a website once that listed mining deaths - it listed a Meshach Jenkins (Shadrach's younger brother) died aged 18 (ie in about 1855) - I can't for the life of me find it again!! I know Thomas dies before 1851 as Maria his wife is stated as a widow. Thanks for the web site on mines - I had already found this via a google general search for info (you get some gems if you put the right words in!) - and I have read through each mine description looking for references to Jenkins, Davis and Preest (Priest) - Thomas's wife Maria may have been a Preest. I am getting an image of a beautiful part of the country, of a hard working life held together by strong community spirit and proud tradition. Its a very pleasant image. The generosity and patience of everyone on this list is also a treasure I value very much. I can't get to visit FoD just yet (the recent death of my father is keeping us all close to home) but next spring I am looking forward to bringing my mother down to see where her grandmother and greatgran came from. Janet Howell Staffordshire Michael G wrote: > Hello Janet, > > I made a quick reply yesterday with information on a piece of software > to help with 1901 Census searches. Now a little more. > I mentioned Freeminers Certificate. Perhaps not the correct > terminology so some help. As you know the records from the Deputy > Gavellers Office have been deposited at the Record Office and what I > have is copy of my grandfather's application for registration. It > bears his signature and that of a witness who was Edward Gwilliam. > Attached to the application is a letter from Edward Gwilliam > confirming that my grandfather worked for a tear and a day at > Hillersland Gale. > Back in the year 2000 Liz Jack did some research and posted this to > the List: >

Hi I'm new to this list. Interested in John Hodges tiler. His daughter Caroline = Thomas Harris 14 May 1842 Lea HEF. Caroline born East Dean (1871 census). Born circa 1821. Not so far located father John. Thank you for your attention Valerie Leonard --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Hi Steve Apparently there was a Majorie and Joyce Jones in the family, so maybe there is a connection. I'll get back to you if I want to follow up. Thankyou very much for your help Clare > > Clare, > > Not sure if it's of any interest, but my wife's great uncle (Will JONES b > abt 1890) married Eva DORRINGTON, and had at least two children - Dorothy > and Lucy. > > Further information (of the JONES line) available if of interest. Thank you also to Slowhands. I'm of slowbrain! > > Cheers....Steve > > >From: RosalindtheFair@aol.com > >To: ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [FoD] Francis Richard HATTON > >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 04:21:50 -0500 > > > > > > > >Good Morning listers > > > > A little while ago I asked for any information about Annie Hatton, > >living somewhere in the Forest of Dean area, born 1893. She was found on > >the 1901 census living with her mother Eliza and seven siblings in Yorkley, > > >which place rang a bell with the friend whose family I'm looking up. Oddly, > > >none of these 8 people apparently have any occupation, even 17 year old > >Bessie. I wonder what they lived on! > > > > Anyway, a marriage certificate has now been found for Annie (who > >married Daniel Dorrington) and it says her father was Francis Richard > >Hatton, who is currently invisible in 1881 and 1891 (when he must have been > > >alive to beget Annie, and indeed Annie's younger brother and sister) Eliza > >was a widow in 1901 and Francis' occupation a collier.I have tried looking > >for Frank, and Richard.There certainly are Richard Hattons around but so > >far I've not found Francis. > > > >Any help greatly appreciated. > > > >Clare (in Oxford) > > > > > >==============================