From: R.P. & A.L.Lawrence [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 January 2004 12:06 To: Maurice Catt Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC Joan Thanks for your message. I have a lot of information about the TOGHILL family, although as you will gather there are a number of mysteries, and they seem to have a habit of marrying their cousins, having illegitimate children, not registering births marriages and deaths, etc. Walter Toghill was the son of Mary Ann Toghill, nee Chappell. However, by the time of his birth in 1883, Mary Ann was a widow, her husband Hugh Watts Toghill having died in 1876. So one question is who Walter's father was. Have you seen his marriage certificate, which might give this information? Mary Ann has at least one son before her marriage: this was either Alfred or Daniel, or possibly both. I assume the father in this case was Hugh Watts Toghill. Her daughter Rosa was born in 1880, again some years after Hugh's death. Hugh Watts Toghill, from whom Walter got his name if not his genes, was the illegitimate son of Daniel Watts and Jane Toghill (nee Watts). Daniel and Jane were first cousins, and Jane was the widow of Thomas Toghill. She was living with Daniel when Hugh was born in 1841, and married him at the church of St Philip and St Jacob in Bristol on 4th March 1851. My own link with the Toghills is through Charles, a son of Thomas and Jane. Charles was the second husband of my gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth Cooper nee Tavender. Toghill seems to be a local name, and there is a also a place called Toghill at the junction of the A46 Bath/Stroud and A420 Bristol/Chippenham roads. Many of the Toghills one finds in Hawkesbury are descendants of Stephen Toghill and Mary Britten, who lived at Marshfield. I also have an interest in the surname since I remember a Peter Toghill of Birmingham University who did a lot of work on the geology of Shropshire, where we lived in the 1970s. I have always wondered how he fitted into the family. My information on the Chappell family is limited. I cannot find the baptism of Emma Chappell in my database of Hawkesbury baptisms, and the Beavington transcription of the 1851 census shows her living at Oldbury but born Badminton. I note that John Chappell's wife's name is given as Caroline, but if she was 20 in 1851, she was too young to be the mother of the 7 year-old Emma. If you, or anyone else, can provide hard information about the Chappells, I would much appreciate it. I am sure it has been published on the list previously, but I did not take notes. In particular, who was the father of the brothers John and George Chappell, who lived together at Oldbury in 1851. I tried checking on the Morgensterns, but although I found them in the 1881 census, I cannot find them in 1901. Possibly a transcription error. Looking forward to hearing from you (and, incidentally, where do your Sargents come from?) Bob Lawrence ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: Maurice Catt [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 31 December 2003 10:43 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: Re: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC ¦ ¦ ¦Hi Bob, ¦ My Name is Joan CATT [nee SARGENT], and I was interested in your WALTER ¦TOGHILL, living at ABERTILLERY with his Uncle, Frederick CHAPPELL, as he ¦married into my Family Tree [MORGENSTERN] by marrying ADA in Dec 1903 at ¦PONTYPOOL. They lived in Abertillery and I think that they were COUSINS. ¦ ADA was the 8th child of JOHN MORGENSTERN, b 13 may 1841, Rhinephalz, ¦Bavaria, Germany, and EMMA CHAPPELL, b 1884 Hackney, London. ¦ Ada was my Mother's [Eva ELLIS] aunt. ¦ As you know Emma CHAPPELL b 18-1-1844 at Hawkesbury, was the daughter of ¦John CHAPPELL, b 1822 Little Badminton, and Sarah CORNOCK, b 1818 Sherston. ¦They lived in Oldbury and John had a brother George also born in Little ¦Badminton, Grandfather of Walter. ¦ Would be very interested to swap information where possible. ¦ Best Wishes for a Very Happy and Prosperous New Year, to you and your ¦Family. ¦ Hoping to hear from you soon, ¦ Joan Catt ¦ ¦----- Original Message ----- ¦From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> ¦To: <[email protected]> ¦Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:54 PM ¦Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC ¦ ¦ ¦> Hi all ¦> ¦> I am trying to sort out some of my TOGHILLs again. ¦> ¦> Hugh Watts TOGHILL (sometimes WATTS, sometimes TOGHILL) married Mary Ann ¦> CHAPPELL (various spellings) at Hawkesbury on 28th February ¦1875. Hugh was ¦a ¦> hawker and died in Chepstow R.D. in the September quarter 1876. ¦He was the ¦> illegitimate son of Daniel Watts and his cousin Jane Watts, but Jane was ¦the ¦> widow of Thomas Toghill, which is why he used both names. I have not yet ¦> found a marriage of Daniel and Jane. ¦> ¦> In 1881, Mary Ann TOGHILL is living with her parents (George and Jane ¦> CHAPPELL) at Beach Grove, Starveall, Hawkesbury. She is age 27 and a ¦widow. ¦> There are two children, listed as being in the house next door, but ¦clearly ¦> part of the same household. They are Alfred TOGHILL (age 6) and Rosa A ¦> TOGHILL (age 6 months), decribed as grandchildren of George Chappell. ¦> ¦> In 1891, George and Jane CHAPPELL are still at Starveall, with their ¦> grandson Daniel TOGHILL, age 16. I have not found Mary Ann ¦TOGHILL or Rosa ¦> TOGHILL in the 1891 Avon census index, but she appears to have had a son ¦> Walter, whose birth was registered in Chipping Sodbury R.D.in ¦the December ¦> quarter 1883. ¦> ¦> There is no sign of Mary Ann TOGHILL in the 1891 or 1901 censuses. Daniel ¦> and Walter TOGHILL are living in 1901 with their uncle Frederick Chappell ¦at ¦> Abertillery. ¦> ¦> Alf Beard's database on RootsWeb World Connect (are you on this mailing ¦> list, Alf?) shows that George CHAPPELL (born 1827 Little Badminton) ¦married ¦> Jane TOGHILL. Is there any evidence for this? I cannot find it in the GRO ¦> index between 1841 and 1855. ¦> ¦> Are Alfred TOGHILL (6 in 1881) and Daniel TOGHILL (16 in 1891) ¦one and the ¦> same person? Again, there is no suitable birth, under either ¦name, in the ¦> GRO index 1874-1876. ¦> ¦> What happened to Mary Ann TOGHILL after 1883, when Walter was born? Did ¦she ¦> remarry? There is neither a marriage or death on FreeBMD. ¦> ¦> Rosa TOGHILL is working in Battersea as a cook in 1901. ¦> ¦> Any help, or suggestions, would be much appreciated. This lot ¦seem to have ¦> been rather casual about relationships, registration, and surnames. ¦> ¦> Bob Lawrence ¦> ¦> ¦> ************************************** ¦> R.P.& A.L.Lawrence ¦> The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, ¦> Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. ¦> Phone: 0117 9504314 ¦> ************************************** ¦> ¦> ¦> ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦> When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and ¦Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ¦> ¦> ============================== ¦> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, ¦go to: ¦> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ¦> ¦> ¦> ¦ ¦ ¦