Carole Thanks for the information about Isaac. I understand that Sally is generally a diminutive of Sarah, like Tel and Terry, Del and Derek. There is also a Naomi Ann WATTS, daughter of Sarah Ann, baptised at Hawkesbury 31st May 1857, and I suppose this could be the same mother. However, there seems to be no suitable Sarah WATTS on my files. Following up all the TOGHILLs, I came across a John TOGHILL living in Redcliffe and Bedminster and worked out that he was the son of the Thomas TOGHILL was living at Oldbury/Didmarton in 1881 and 1901. John TOGHILL was born at Allington, Wilts and married Mary Jane ORCHARD of Yate in Clifton R.D.April quarter 1874. I cannot find him in 1881, but in 1891 he was living at Evered's Yard, St Mary Redcliffe and working as an ostler, while in 1901 he was at Sligo Cottage, St John's Lane, Bristol and working as a carter. In 1891, living with John and Mary was Mary's brother Joseph ORCHARD, 33, Brother-in-law, widower, ostler, born Yate; Mary J Orchard, 12, scholar; Clara Orchard, 2 and Elizabeth Orchard, 8, scholar. The three children were born in Birmingham. Clara Orchard was still living with the TOGHILLs in 1901. Well, it may help someone. Bob Lawrence ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** -----Original Message----- From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 13 February 2004 07:57 To: [email protected] Subject: [HWK] Isaac WATTS Bob I don't have much at all on Isaac & his family. FreeBMD has a marriage to Elizabeth BARNFIELD Sept Qtr 1868 Tetbury 6a 527. A William James BARNFIELD married, same place same quarter same ref. to Elizabeth WHITE. Presumably he was a brother. On the 1851 census the BARNFIELD family are at Gumstool Hill, Tetbury, father William is a "Hallier", wife Sarah, children William, Mary & Elizabeth. Sally WATTS has me puzzled. Does anyone know whether Sally is a popular version of something else, like Sarah for example? Re MARQUIS, no I don't know where this originates. Maybe a surname on the wife's side? Another little challenge! Best wishes Carole