Hi Doug, It is a good story - one of the best I've heard recently. Thanks for padding it out. I can understand why they pretended to be married in Wales but the Hawkesbury Vicar also seems a bit tough on them. . It just shows how you can't believe everything you read in the census or IGI. Cheers Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [HWK] CHAPPELL > Hi Carole > > THe Hannah who married William COATES was born ca 1816 at Sherston . (1851 > census) > > Her father was William CHAPPELL (marriage cert) > > Her christening can be found:- > > Christening Date: 16 Jun 1816 > Recorded in: Sherston Magna, Wiltshire, England > Father: William CHAPEL > Mother: Hannah > > I have not investigated her further. > > I had not connected the two christenings with her though. > > This family is quite complicated and it loks like they were involved in a > fair bit of deception. > > Hannah's son William appears on the 1851 census as William COATES. > William was likely born at Hawkesbury. Free BMD gives > Births Jun 1838 Coates William Chipping Sodbury 11 217 > > George appears on the 1861 census with mother and father at Back Street, now > also called COATES, birth given as 1836, Chepstow. > > Looking to Chepstow you can find :- > > 1836 George Coates christened 23 Oct 1836, Trevethin, Monmouthshire, > parents: William and Hannah COATES. > > It looks like they were living "as married" in Wales, but when they came > back to Hawkesbury they needed to get married, the vicar made them > (re)baptise the boys in the right name, but they continued to all call > themselves COATES. > > Good Story? > > Doug Thompson > > > > > > on 23/2/04 10:35 pm, anthony sharp at [email protected] wrote: > > > Hi Robert & All > > I've been having another think about this family and I'd like some second > > opinions please. > > > > The IGI has a PATY CHAPPELL dau of Eliza CHAPPELL bapt 26 Jan 1840. I > > suggest that this is Piety CHAPPELL who married George COLLETT. > > > > The IGI also has the baptisms of William CHAPPELL and George CHAPPELL sons > > of Hannah CHAPPELL on 14 July 1839. Seeking inspiration from the BMD > > certificates on the Hawkesbury web pages I found a marriage of Hannah > > CHAPPELL, daughter of William & William COATES at Hawkesbury on..... 14 July > > 1839! (Thank you Kath McIlwick) > > > > So I guess that Hannah CHAPPELL's children were baptised at the same time as > > she was married! Did the Vicar do cheap rates for this? > > > > On the 1851 census there is a William COATES & Hannah COATES with the family > > at Upton. No sign of George though. > > > > Does anyone know anything about this family please? > > > > Carole >