So you too think the John of 1851 is probably resettled in 1861 in Cromhall with a widow! I believe John had one more son than those listed in 1851 - born about 1826, John junior shows up in the 1841 census. My conclusion - which after years of teasing at the problem is still only speculation, is this: I have from the 1851 census one more member of John Pitt senior's household- Edwin HULBERT age 2 grandson. Edwin's middle name is John and in later years - when I finally deciphered the place of birth, as mangled by enumerators across the county, Edwin was often listed as John too - and this finally proves the one bit of oral history I had about my granddad having "an uncle called John"!! The only thing I can conclude therefore is that Edwin's father is John Pitt - a man who later turns up in south Wales, along with many other ex-Hawkesbury/ Hillesley residents. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:23 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn, I've just answered my own question! 1957 1851 CENSUS HO107/1957 FF.0379 - 0390 ED.8A THORNBURY Piece: 1957 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 047 Address: Poorend BEARD Robert HD M 47 Ag Labourer WIL Hillmarton [Hilmarton] (c1804) BEARD Catherine WI M 46 - WIL Kelston [SOM] (c1805) BEARD Ann DA - 19 - GLS Cromhall (c1832) BEARD Robert SO - 14 - GLS Cromhall (c1837) BEARD Henry SO - 13 - GLS Cromhall (c1838) BEARD Thomas SO - 10 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1841) BEARD Edward SO - 9 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1842) And here, for the record, is John PITT. 1956 1851 CENSUS HO107/1956 FF. 0476 - 0492 ED. 11 HAWKESBURY Piece: 1956 Folio: 0486 Schedule: 063 Address: Hillsley PITT John HD M 52 Carpenter GLS Hawkesbury (c1799) PITT Sarah Ann WI M 50 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1801) PITT Clarissa DA U 30 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1821) PITT Drusilla DA U 19 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1832) Carole -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:14 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of Catherine by her first marriage? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a "moment" before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . In Bibstone Cromhall John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield Marilyn ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx