Hi Marilyn & Carole As you know I also have an interest in the PITT name and have struggled with John as well. I don't believe the one in Cromhall is from our direct PITT line - probably a cousin. It gets so confusing when the same name crops up in every generation!! The John we are talking about would have been born in 1826, the son of John PITT and Sarah Ann PURNELL. His father John was born in 1798, the same time frame as the Cromhall one so that is why I am thinking he could fit in as a cousin. In 1851 we have the two John PITTS born circa 1798, the one in Cromhall and our one in Hillesley. In 1851 there is a John PITT , 23 bn Hawkesbury living in Newcastle Higher, Glam. In 1855 he marries Ellen COOMBS and in both the 1861 & 1871 censes they are still in Newcastle Higher, Glam. I agree that John (bn 1826) could possibly be the father of Edwin John HULBERT and I believe Edwin could have been John's only child as Ellen was a widow who already had 5 children when she married John. There is a death reg in Bridgend reg Mar Q 1878 for a John PITT age 51 which would fit in. Cheers Fay Qld, Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Moffat" <marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [HWK] PITT "Strays" > So you too think the John of 1851 is probably resettled in 1861 in Cromhall > with a widow! I believe John had one more son than those listed in 1851 - > born about 1826, John junior shows up in the 1841 census. > My conclusion - which after years of teasing at the problem is still only > speculation, is this: > I have from the 1851 census one more member of John Pitt senior's household- > Edwin HULBERT age 2 grandson. Edwin's middle name is John and in later years > - when I finally deciphered the place of birth, as mangled by enumerators > across the county, Edwin was often listed as John too - and this finally > proves the one bit of oral history I had about my granddad having "an uncle > called John"!! The only thing I can conclude therefore is that Edwin's > father is John Pitt - a man who later turns up in south Wales, along with > many other ex-Hawkesbury/ Hillesley residents. > > Marilyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] > Sent: 22 April 2005 20:23 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" > > Marilyn, > I've just answered my own question! > > 1957 1851 CENSUS HO107/1957 FF.0379 - 0390 ED.8A THORNBURY > > > Piece: 1957 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 047 > Address: Poorend > > BEARD Robert HD M 47 Ag Labourer > WIL Hillmarton [Hilmarton] (c1804) > BEARD Catherine WI M 46 - > WIL Kelston [SOM] (c1805) > BEARD Ann DA - 19 - > GLS Cromhall (c1832) > BEARD Robert SO - 14 - > GLS Cromhall (c1837) > BEARD Henry SO - 13 - > GLS Cromhall (c1838) > BEARD Thomas SO - 10 Scholar > GLS Cromhall (c1841) > BEARD Edward SO - 9 Scholar > GLS Cromhall (c1842) > > And here, for the record, is John PITT. > > 1956 1851 CENSUS HO107/1956 FF. 0476 - 0492 ED. 11 HAWKESBURY > > > Piece: 1956 Folio: 0486 Schedule: 063 > > Address: Hillsley > > PITT John HD M 52 Carpenter > GLS Hawkesbury > (c1799) > PITT Sarah Ann WI M 50 - > GLS Hawkesbury > (c1801) > PITT Clarissa DA U 30 - > GLS Hawkesbury > (c1821) > PITT Drusilla DA U 19 - > GLS Hawkesbury > (c1832) > > Carole > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] > Sent: 22 April 2005 20:14 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" > > Marilyn > Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of > Catherine by her first marriage? > > Carole > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] > Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" > > I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a > "moment" > before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living > Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) > > Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . > > > > In Bibstone Cromhall > > John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley > > Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) 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