Hello again, I'm back from our break in Dorset, and have been reading all the E Mails regarding the Staffords. Thomas - who married Ann Jones and Grace Kilmister was in fact the Half Brother of Robert who married Mary Ann Thompson. Their Father James who lived in Nettleton was married to a Grace Flower and had five children - Jane, Ann, Mary Flower, THOMAS Born 10.3.1785. Bapt.27.3.1785, and Jane, His wife then died and he married again, another Grace (Ball), and went on to have Ann. ROBERT, Joseph and William (but cannot find a baptism for William). Thomas died 8th Nov. 1843. He had a Son Thomas and Daughter Ann. this Thomas married Hannah Hattaway 4th April 1843. Hope this makes sense, Pam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L & L.Shephard" <lodnles@ozzienet.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > Carole, > > Many thanks for your reply to my query on the STAFFORD family. Just what > was wanted, but I now have the problem that "my" Thomas STAFFORD (who > married Hannah HATHAWAY) was *not* the son of Robert & Mary Ann THOMPSON)! > > Back to the drawing board ..... but just in case there is a connection can > you tell me about the location of Petty France where Hannah HATHAWAY was > born? Anywhere near Slimbridge? > > Lorraine & Leslie Shephard > Falcon, Mandurah, > Western Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:45 AM > Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > > > Hi Leslie & Pam > > > > >From the St Marys Hawkesbury parish registers: > > > > Marriage No 85 27 August 1820 > > Robert STAFFORD otp and Mary Ann THOMPSON (X) otp Banns. > > Witnesses John THOMPSON (X) and Wm POWER > > > > No 57 4th April 1843 > > Thomas STAFFORD, of age, bachelor carpenter, Upton, son of Thomas > > STAFFORD, Carpenter & > > Hannah HATHAWAY, of age, spinster, Petty France, daughter of Thomas > > HATHAWAY, labourer > > Witnesses Thomas HATHAWAY & Elizabeth FRENCH > > > > > > I didn’t see a Thomas STAFFORD between 1819 and 1828 - no guarantees > > though! > > > > Cheers > > Carole > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > > >

Thanking all who have helped me create the STAFFORD family tree - especially Pam, Carole & Robert. Pam's explanation of the "Half Brother" relationship between Thomas and Robert certainly made everything fall into place. I am partially upset by the fact that so few baptisms are recorded on the IGI - but the "hawkesburyhistory" site has been of immense value. The full story appears to be : James STAFFORD of Nettleton, Wilts married (1) Grace FLOWER and had children Jane, Ann, Mary, Thomas and Jane. Following death of first wife Grace, James married (2) Grace BALL and had children Ann, Robert, Joseph and William. Thomas from first marriage married (1) Ann JONES on 26 Jan 1817 and had two children John (29 Jun 1817) and Ann (21 Sep 1818). Following death of wife Ann, Thomas married (2) Grace KILMINSTER on 9 Feb 1819 and had two children Thomas (b.1822) and Ann (b.1833). This child Thomas later married Hannah HATTAWAY 4 Apr 1843. Robert from second marriage of James married Mary Ann THOMPSON 27 Aug 1820 and had four children - Robert (1821), Joseph (1825) Lot (1828) and Eliza (1831). It is this Robert (1821) who married Mary Ann JONES 16 Sep 1851 whose eldest son David Charles STAFFORD married Elizabeth Whiting AKERS and moved to Glamorgan by 1881. More information is available to any with connections to this family. Are the Wiltshire baptisms available through the Internet? Lorraine & Leslie Shephard Falcon, Mandurah, Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamela robinson" <pamela@robinson589.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > Thomas - who married Ann Jones and Grace Kilmister was in fact the Half Brother of Robert who married Mary Ann Thompson. Their Father James who lived in Nettleton was married to a Grace Flower and had five children - > Hope this makes sense, Pam.

Hi again Lorraine & Leslie Have you seen the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census entries for Robert STAFFORD in Glamorgan? If not here they are: 2464 1851 CENSUS OF GURNOS PARCEL. REF.H.O.107/2464, E.D.1A. Piece: 2464 Folio: 010 Schedule: 044 Address: YNYSCEDWYN WORKS LEWIS ELIZABETH WI M 43 DRESSMAKER/BUTLER'S WIFE BKM AMERSHAM(c1808) STAFFORD ROBERT LG U 26 GARDENER,DOMESTIC GLS HAWKESBURY(c1825) THOMAS DAVID SV U 44 COACHMAN,DOMESTIC PEM -(c1807) Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD 4089 1861 CENSUS OF GURNOS. R.G.9/4089, E.D.1. Piece: 4089 Folio: 014 Schedule: 111 Address: GLANRHYD STAFFORD ROBERT HD M 38 GARDENER DOM.SERVANT GLS HAWKESBURY(c1823) STAFFORD MARY WI M 35 LAUNDRESS GLA SWANSEA(c1826) STAFFORD ROBERT M. SO - 7 SCHOLAR BRE YSTRADGYNLAIS (c1854) STAFFORD DAVID O. SO - 5 SCHOLAR BRE YSTRADGYNLAIS (c1856) STAFFORD MARY ANN DA - 9M - BRE YSTRADGYNLAIS (c1860) JONES CHARLOTTE VR U 26 LAUNDRESS GLA SWANSEA,(c1835) JONES ANN VR U 25 DRESSMAKER GLA SWANSEA (c1836) CHAMBERLAIN JOSEPH VR - 1 - GLA SWANSEA (c1860) WILLIAMS ELIZA J. SV U 19 HOUSE SERVANT GLA SWANSEA (c1842) 1871 census Neath District EN Dist 5 Ystradfellte Ynisygarrion Cottage 072 034 STAFFORD Robert HD M 49 Gardner born GLS Hawkesbury Upton " Mary Wife 45 GLA Sketty " Robert Morgan So U 17 Scholar BRE Yniscedwyn " David Charles So U 15 Smith " " " Mary Ann Dau 10 Scholar " " Joseph Jackson So 9 " " Eliza Jane Dau 6 " GLA Dyffryn Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: L & L.Shephard [mailto:lodnles@ozzienet.net] Sent: 22 April 2005 10:23 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family Thanking all who have helped me create the STAFFORD family tree - especially Pam, Carole & Robert. Pam's explanation of the "Half Brother" relationship between Thomas and Robert certainly made everything fall into place. I am partially upset by the fact that so few baptisms are recorded on the IGI - but the "hawkesburyhistory" site has been of immense value. The full story appears to be : James STAFFORD of Nettleton, Wilts married (1) Grace FLOWER and had children Jane, Ann, Mary, Thomas and Jane. Following death of first wife Grace, James married (2) Grace BALL and had children Ann, Robert, Joseph and William. Thomas from first marriage married (1) Ann JONES on 26 Jan 1817 and had two children John (29 Jun 1817) and Ann (21 Sep 1818). Following death of wife Ann, Thomas married (2) Grace KILMINSTER on 9 Feb 1819 and had two children Thomas (b.1822) and Ann (b.1833). This child Thomas later married Hannah HATTAWAY 4 Apr 1843. Robert from second marriage of James married Mary Ann THOMPSON 27 Aug 1820 and had four children - Robert (1821), Joseph (1825) Lot (1828) and Eliza (1831). It is this Robert (1821) who married Mary Ann JONES 16 Sep 1851 whose eldest son David Charles STAFFORD married Elizabeth Whiting AKERS and moved to Glamorgan by 1881. More information is available to any with connections to this family. Are the Wiltshire baptisms available through the Internet? Lorraine & Leslie Shephard Falcon, Mandurah, Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamela robinson" <pamela@robinson589.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > Thomas - who married Ann Jones and Grace Kilmister was in fact the Half Brother of Robert who married Mary Ann Thompson. Their Father James who lived in Nettleton was married to a Grace Flower and had five children - > Hope this makes sense, Pam. ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

Carol, Yes thanks - I do have all the census details for "my" STAFFORD family. Many thanks for your continued interest & help. Dare I mention another problem? 1861 census shows Thomas STAFFORD, widow, 39, carpenter with daughter Sarah G, scholar, aged 10 yrs. Also present is Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper aged 32 yrs and her daughter Ann S, aged 2 years. 1871 census for Thomas STAFFORD, 49, carpenter shows Hannah FERRIS, servant, age 42 yrs together with boarders Annie FERRIS, 12, George FERRIS, 3, and Hannah E FERRIS aged 2 months. 1881 census for Thomas STAFORD (sic) at Park Street, Hawkesbury, lists Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper, relationship unknown, together with George STAFFORD born abt 1868 and Hannah STAFFORD born about 1871. Is there a "story" here ? Hannah FERRIS born abt 1828 is known to have had Ann S illegitimately on 31 Oct 1858. Is it possible to verify that both George (1867) and Hannah (1871) although named FERRIS were actually children of Thomas STAFFORD? I note a death record for Hannah FERRIS 2nd qtr 1883 aged 54 years, buried at Hawkesbury 17 May 1883. If her death was "impending" maybe that is why the children were named STAFFORD in the 1881 census! Any comments (from anyone on this wonderful list)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > > Hi again Lorraine & Leslie > Have you seen the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census entries for Robert STAFFORD > in Glamorgan?