In a message dated 10/06/2005 00:04:01 GMT Standard Time, doug.thompson@virgin.net writes: After looking at the 1871 and 1891 images, I am fairly certain that Sophia is from Cinderford (both 71 and 91 are attempts) and William is from Grafton, near Tewkesbury. Thanks Doug, now what do u make of this?????????? Hiya. I think William Thompson must have been the second husband of Sophia. 1861 lodging at Wheatley's Row Ilkeston head of household Frederick Matthews of Ilkeston RG10 2437 58 6 James Palmer lodger mar 31 furnace man Glouc. Grafton Sophia Palmer wife 30 Gloucs. Synderfort? James Palmer son 8 scholar Staffs. Walsall Emma Palmer dau 6 months Derbyshire Clay Cross Someone on Rootschat found that for me! No wonder I couldnt find a James Thompson birth! It all seems to fit. I am soo excited.