Hi Thanks for replys there were at least 4 Isaac CHAPPELL's in hawkesbury at same time the father and son are the one's I have initial interest in but I think because of this there seems to be a lot of confusion . As I see it Isaac b.1795 Oldbury On Hill senior moves to Hawkesbury he has a son Isaac with his wife Jane and four other children, There is also another Isaac born at Hawkesbury circa 1779 and a child born to Mary CHAPPEL and father George WIMBOW also named Isaac CHAPPEL, Based on the fact I know the Isaac senior was b.1795 he must have married about 1818 his son Isaac was born 1820 I know this to be his son because in census they live next door to each other at 7 & 8 the Row and senior has grandson Henry CHAPPELL in house at time of census, and birth dates tally. Isaac junior is listed as having parents Isaac & Jane hence I know of Jane in 1849 Isaac junior marries Ann TAVINDER at Hawkesbury, but just to confuse matters Isaac senior marries Elizabeth Gingell. In 184! 1 cencus Jane has either run off with a fancy man or died as she is not living with Isaac senior. in later cencus Isaac and son are at Tresham in different houses Isaac senior is namning his wife Bessey (Elizabeth).later Isaac junior's son William is living in Park St Hawkesbury married to Annie Elizabeth WHITE. Nice to see Hawkesbury on PC again Robert.