The facts as we know them :- 1 Isaac THOMPSON (1790) was done at St Mary's in December 1790 as a child of Samuel and Jane. 2 Isaac THOMPSON (1795) was done at the Baptist in Hawkesbury in Hawkesbury in 1795 as a child of William and Ann. 3 In February 1814 Isaac of Hawkesbury married Jane PHELPS at Sopworth, Wilts. Witnesses to the marriage but not known by us at the time were Samuel THOMPSON and Kitty THOMPSON. 4 In 1815 22 year old Isaac THOMPSON of Hillesley was jailed for stealing a leg of mutton. He was a shoemaker. 5 We found neither Isaac on the 1841 census 6 Isaac THOMPSON father of Rodelinda Rowena SHIPWAY (nee THOMPSON) claims to be 57 in the 1851 Hillesley census. Perhaps of more relevance is his occupation of Mason. 7 In 1859 Isaac arrives in Aus and claims to be 65. Also says he is from Bath. 8 Isaac (1790) had a brother Samuel and a sister Kitty. 9 The family of Isaac (1790) were Masons. Samuel built his own house in Hawkesbury before 1823. Isaac got a 1/6th share of this in 1834 when Samuel died. 10 The family of Isaac (1795) were Cordwainers. 11 The family of Isaac (1795) had baptists amongst them - David THOMPSON born 1792 was baptised. Was the Half uncle to Isaac (1790). 12 Isaac (1795) had 2 children and himself christened on Christmas day 1826 at Hawkesbury. Also christened that day there were 5 (five) of his 1/2 first cousins, children of Uncle David. making 8 THOMPSON christenings in one day. 13 There are 2 clear THOMPSON families in Hawkesbury at this stage (they may be related further back but that doesn't help here). 14 The cordwaining side of the family is the same side of the family with the baptists. Those then are the facts as we know them now. It should be remembered that the wedding witnesses and the Isaac's emigration were not known at the time of the original discussion and decision. Isaac's emigration in 1859 ties in with the age he gives in 1851. This may not be correct and he may have had reasons for lying. I believe we have to discount how old Isaac SAYS he is and work on what else we know from the facts above. I having regard to all the above am now prepared to say that I believe that Isaac(1790) was the father of Rodelinda Rowena - and all the other "funny name" THOMPSON's. My reasons are thus :- 1 The 1826 christenings, the baptist links and the cordwaining occupation all point to Isaac (1795) son of William and Ann 2 The occupation of Mason all point to the family of Samuel and Jane but the clincher is and it is Adrain Sheppard who deserves the credit for supplying the information through this list is 3 The marriage witnesses at the Wedding of Isaac THOMPSON to Jane PHELPS are clearly Isaac (1790) sister and either brother or father. Therefore Isaac either did not know his age or lied for whatever reason. Those are my thoughts and conclusions. What do other listers think. All contibutions to this discussion are actively sought and welcomed. Please try and prove me wrong if only so I don't have to tell cousin Doug that he was right all along ever since last November when we agreed to disagree and I chose the wrong one. I suppose the moral of the above is always make notes of why you like or not a piece of information and always check and recheck the information to see if it all stands up after months. OK Doug so you were right I give in. Geoffro The Pond Dipper