And just to help things along if your brain isn't completely fried and useless by now On August the 20th 1838 the 1/2 first cousin to Isaac married the niece of Isaac THOMPSON all of Hawkesbury and In a 140 year period from 1750 there was a William THOMPSON born at least once every 10 years at Hawkesbury all in the same family, 6 or so alive at any one time. And if anybody even mentions Mary or Elizabeth or Ann for at least a week then in the pond you go !!!!!!!!!! Geoffro The Pond Dipper --