Bob It would be interesting to see who the witnesses were - whether family or strangers. Might give a clue. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC Carole Thanks for that information. Do you think they married in Bristol because everyone in Oldbury thought they were already married? Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 12 December 2003 07:33 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: Re: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC ¦ ¦ ¦Hi Bob ¦I can help you with the marriage - amazingly, it's on the VRI. ¦ ¦Daniel WATTS son of Daniel & Jane TOGHILL daughter of Hugh WATTS married at ¦St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol 4 March 1851. ¦ ¦Since they were both together on the 1841 census they took a long time to ¦make up their minds about marrying. ¦ ¦Cheers ¦Carole ¦ ¦----- Original Message ----- ¦From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> ¦To: <[email protected]> ¦Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:54 PM ¦Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC ¦ ¦ ¦> Hi all ¦> ¦> I am trying to sort out some of my TOGHILLs again. ¦> ¦> Hugh Watts TOGHILL (sometimes WATTS, sometimes TOGHILL) married Mary Ann ¦> CHAPPELL (various spellings) at Hawkesbury on 28th February ¦1875. Hugh was ¦a ¦> hawker and died in Chepstow R.D. in the September quarter 1876. ¦He was the ¦> illegitimate son of Daniel Watts and his cousin Jane Watts, but Jane was ¦the ¦> widow of Thomas Toghill, which is why he used both names. I have not yet ¦> found a marriage of Daniel and Jane. ¦> ¦> In 1881, Mary Ann TOGHILL is living with her parents (George and Jane ¦> CHAPPELL) at Beach Grove, Starveall, Hawkesbury. She is age 27 and a ¦widow. ¦> There are two children, listed as being in the house next door, but ¦clearly ¦> part of the same household. They are Alfred TOGHILL (age 6) and Rosa A ¦> TOGHILL (age 6 months), decribed as grandchildren of George Chappell. ¦> ¦> In 1891, George and Jane CHAPPELL are still at Starveall, with their ¦> grandson Daniel TOGHILL, age 16. I have not found Mary Ann ¦TOGHILL or Rosa ¦> TOGHILL in the 1891 Avon census index, but she appears to have had a son ¦> Walter, whose birth was registered in Chipping Sodbury R.D.in ¦the December ¦> quarter 1883. ¦> ¦> There is no sign of Mary Ann TOGHILL in the 1891 or 1901 censuses. Daniel ¦> and Walter TOGHILL are living in 1901 with their uncle Frederick Chappell ¦at ¦> Abertillery. ¦> ¦> Alf Beard's database on RootsWeb World Connect (are you on this mailing ¦> list, Alf?) shows that George CHAPPELL (born 1827 Little Badminton) ¦married ¦> Jane TOGHILL. Is there any evidence for this? I cannot find it in the GRO ¦> index between 1841 and 1855. ¦> ¦> Are Alfred TOGHILL (6 in 1881) and Daniel TOGHILL (16 in 1891) ¦one and the ¦> same person? Again, there is no suitable birth, under either ¦name, in the ¦> GRO index 1874-1876. ¦> ¦> What happened to Mary Ann TOGHILL after 1883, when Walter was born? Did ¦she ¦> remarry? There is neither a marriage or death on FreeBMD. ¦> ¦> Rosa TOGHILL is working in Battersea as a cook in 1901. ¦> ¦> Any help, or suggestions, would be much appreciated. This lot ¦seem to have ¦> been rather casual about relationships, registration, and surnames. ¦> ¦> Bob Lawrence ¦> ¦> ¦> ************************************** ¦> R.P.& A.L.Lawrence ¦> The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, ¦> Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. ¦> Phone: 0117 9504314 ¦> ************************************** ¦> ¦> ______________________________ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: ¦and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ¦ ¦============================== ¦To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy ¦records, go to: ¦http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ¦ ¦ ______________________________