Marilyn, Sorry - that's all there is! Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 23 April 2005 12:53 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HWK] PITT "Strays" I think he might be, it's the right age (born 1825) - thanks, I'll have to send for the certificate - although I'm confused this didn't appear before - just goes to show you should look at the originals, not rely on the transcripts ... I hadn't got around to the burials when I was at the GRO ... I don't supposed the registers are more than a plain record of the burial ... you would have said! M -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 April 2005 12:36 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn FreeBMD has the following deaths: Sarah Ann PITT June Qtr 1855 Chipping S 6a 112 Robert BEARD March Qtr 1855 Thornbury 6a 164. (Neither of these burials took place at St Mary's Hawkesbury) Unfortunately there were no marriages on FreeBMD where both partners (ie John PITT & Catherine BEARD) were listed. Incidentally, while looking at the Burial Registers I found George HULBERT age 30, Hawkesbury buried Nov 18 1855. I don't suppose he is you missing George? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 23 April 2005 09:06 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HWK] PITT "Strays" So you too think the John of 1851 is probably resettled in 1861 in Cromhall with a widow! I believe John had one more son than those listed in 1851 - born about 1826, John junior shows up in the 1841 census. My conclusion - which after years of teasing at the problem is still only speculation, is this: I have from the 1851 census one more member of John Pitt senior's household- Edwin HULBERT age 2 grandson. Edwin's middle name is John and in later years - when I finally deciphered the place of birth, as mangled by enumerators across the county, Edwin was often listed as John too - and this finally proves the one bit of oral history I had about my granddad having "an uncle called John"!! The only thing I can conclude therefore is that Edwin's father is John Pitt - a man who later turns up in south Wales, along with many other ex-Hawkesbury/ Hillesley residents. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:23 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn, I've just answered my own question! 1957 1851 CENSUS HO107/1957 FF.0379 - 0390 ED.8A THORNBURY Piece: 1957 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 047 Address: Poorend BEARD Robert HD M 47 Ag Labourer WIL Hillmarton [Hilmarton] (c1804) BEARD Catherine WI M 46 - WIL Kelston [SOM] (c1805) BEARD Ann DA - 19 - GLS Cromhall (c1832) BEARD Robert SO - 14 - GLS Cromhall (c1837) BEARD Henry SO - 13 - GLS Cromhall (c1838) BEARD Thomas SO - 10 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1841) BEARD Edward SO - 9 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1842) And here, for the record, is John PITT. 1956 1851 CENSUS HO107/1956 FF. 0476 - 0492 ED. 11 HAWKESBURY Piece: 1956 Folio: 0486 Schedule: 063 Address: Hillsley PITT John HD M 52 Carpenter GLS Hawkesbury (c1799) PITT Sarah Ann WI M 50 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1801) PITT Clarissa DA U 30 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1821) PITT Drusilla DA U 19 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1832) Carole -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:14 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of Catherine by her first marriage? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a "moment" before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . In Bibstone Cromhall John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield Marilyn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. 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Carol, Yes thanks - I do have all the census details for "my" STAFFORD family. Many thanks for your continued interest & help. Dare I mention another problem? 1861 census shows Thomas STAFFORD, widow, 39, carpenter with daughter Sarah G, scholar, aged 10 yrs. Also present is Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper aged 32 yrs and her daughter Ann S, aged 2 years. 1871 census for Thomas STAFFORD, 49, carpenter shows Hannah FERRIS, servant, age 42 yrs together with boarders Annie FERRIS, 12, George FERRIS, 3, and Hannah E FERRIS aged 2 months. 1881 census for Thomas STAFORD (sic) at Park Street, Hawkesbury, lists Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper, relationship unknown, together with George STAFFORD born abt 1868 and Hannah STAFFORD born about 1871. Is there a "story" here ? Hannah FERRIS born abt 1828 is known to have had Ann S illegitimately on 31 Oct 1858. Is it possible to verify that both George (1867) and Hannah (1871) although named FERRIS were actually children of Thomas STAFFORD? I note a death record for Hannah FERRIS 2nd qtr 1883 aged 54 years, buried at Hawkesbury 17 May 1883. If her death was "impending" maybe that is why the children were named STAFFORD in the 1881 census! Any comments (from anyone on this wonderful list)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > > Hi again Lorraine & Leslie > Have you seen the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census entries for Robert STAFFORD > in Glamorgan?

I think he might be, it's the right age (born 1825) - thanks, I'll have to send for the certificate - although I'm confused this didn't appear before - just goes to show you should look at the originals, not rely on the transcripts ... I hadn't got around to the burials when I was at the GRO ... I don't supposed the registers are more than a plain record of the burial ... you would have said! M -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 April 2005 12:36 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn FreeBMD has the following deaths: Sarah Ann PITT June Qtr 1855 Chipping S 6a 112 Robert BEARD March Qtr 1855 Thornbury 6a 164. (Neither of these burials took place at St Mary's Hawkesbury) Unfortunately there were no marriages on FreeBMD where both partners (ie John PITT & Catherine BEARD) were listed. Incidentally, while looking at the Burial Registers I found George HULBERT age 30, Hawkesbury buried Nov 18 1855. I don't suppose he is you missing George? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 23 April 2005 09:06 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HWK] PITT "Strays" So you too think the John of 1851 is probably resettled in 1861 in Cromhall with a widow! I believe John had one more son than those listed in 1851 - born about 1826, John junior shows up in the 1841 census. My conclusion - which after years of teasing at the problem is still only speculation, is this: I have from the 1851 census one more member of John Pitt senior's household- Edwin HULBERT age 2 grandson. Edwin's middle name is John and in later years - when I finally deciphered the place of birth, as mangled by enumerators across the county, Edwin was often listed as John too - and this finally proves the one bit of oral history I had about my granddad having "an uncle called John"!! The only thing I can conclude therefore is that Edwin's father is John Pitt - a man who later turns up in south Wales, along with many other ex-Hawkesbury/ Hillesley residents. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:23 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn, I've just answered my own question! 1957 1851 CENSUS HO107/1957 FF.0379 - 0390 ED.8A THORNBURY Piece: 1957 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 047 Address: Poorend BEARD Robert HD M 47 Ag Labourer WIL Hillmarton [Hilmarton] (c1804) BEARD Catherine WI M 46 - WIL Kelston [SOM] (c1805) BEARD Ann DA - 19 - GLS Cromhall (c1832) BEARD Robert SO - 14 - GLS Cromhall (c1837) BEARD Henry SO - 13 - GLS Cromhall (c1838) BEARD Thomas SO - 10 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1841) BEARD Edward SO - 9 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1842) And here, for the record, is John PITT. 1956 1851 CENSUS HO107/1956 FF. 0476 - 0492 ED. 11 HAWKESBURY Piece: 1956 Folio: 0486 Schedule: 063 Address: Hillsley PITT John HD M 52 Carpenter GLS Hawkesbury (c1799) PITT Sarah Ann WI M 50 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1801) PITT Clarissa DA U 30 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1821) PITT Drusilla DA U 19 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1832) Carole -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:14 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of Catherine by her first marriage? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a "moment" before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . In Bibstone Cromhall John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield Marilyn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Marilyn FreeBMD has the following deaths: Sarah Ann PITT June Qtr 1855 Chipping S 6a 112 Robert BEARD March Qtr 1855 Thornbury 6a 164. (Neither of these burials took place at St Mary's Hawkesbury) Unfortunately there were no marriages on FreeBMD where both partners (ie John PITT & Catherine BEARD) were listed. Incidentally, while looking at the Burial Registers I found George HULBERT age 30, Hawkesbury buried Nov 18 1855. I don't suppose he is you missing George? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 23 April 2005 09:06 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HWK] PITT "Strays" So you too think the John of 1851 is probably resettled in 1861 in Cromhall with a widow! I believe John had one more son than those listed in 1851 - born about 1826, John junior shows up in the 1841 census. My conclusion - which after years of teasing at the problem is still only speculation, is this: I have from the 1851 census one more member of John Pitt senior's household- Edwin HULBERT age 2 grandson. Edwin's middle name is John and in later years - when I finally deciphered the place of birth, as mangled by enumerators across the county, Edwin was often listed as John too - and this finally proves the one bit of oral history I had about my granddad having "an uncle called John"!! The only thing I can conclude therefore is that Edwin's father is John Pitt - a man who later turns up in south Wales, along with many other ex-Hawkesbury/ Hillesley residents. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:23 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn, I've just answered my own question! 1957 1851 CENSUS HO107/1957 FF.0379 - 0390 ED.8A THORNBURY Piece: 1957 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 047 Address: Poorend BEARD Robert HD M 47 Ag Labourer WIL Hillmarton [Hilmarton] (c1804) BEARD Catherine WI M 46 - WIL Kelston [SOM] (c1805) BEARD Ann DA - 19 - GLS Cromhall (c1832) BEARD Robert SO - 14 - GLS Cromhall (c1837) BEARD Henry SO - 13 - GLS Cromhall (c1838) BEARD Thomas SO - 10 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1841) BEARD Edward SO - 9 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1842) And here, for the record, is John PITT. 1956 1851 CENSUS HO107/1956 FF. 0476 - 0492 ED. 11 HAWKESBURY Piece: 1956 Folio: 0486 Schedule: 063 Address: Hillsley PITT John HD M 52 Carpenter GLS Hawkesbury (c1799) PITT Sarah Ann WI M 50 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1801) PITT Clarissa DA U 30 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1821) PITT Drusilla DA U 19 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1832) Carole -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:14 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of Catherine by her first marriage? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a "moment" before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . In Bibstone Cromhall John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield Marilyn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

So you too think the John of 1851 is probably resettled in 1861 in Cromhall with a widow! I believe John had one more son than those listed in 1851 - born about 1826, John junior shows up in the 1841 census. My conclusion - which after years of teasing at the problem is still only speculation, is this: I have from the 1851 census one more member of John Pitt senior's household- Edwin HULBERT age 2 grandson. Edwin's middle name is John and in later years - when I finally deciphered the place of birth, as mangled by enumerators across the county, Edwin was often listed as John too - and this finally proves the one bit of oral history I had about my granddad having "an uncle called John"!! The only thing I can conclude therefore is that Edwin's father is John Pitt - a man who later turns up in south Wales, along with many other ex-Hawkesbury/ Hillesley residents. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:23 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn, I've just answered my own question! 1957 1851 CENSUS HO107/1957 FF.0379 - 0390 ED.8A THORNBURY Piece: 1957 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 047 Address: Poorend BEARD Robert HD M 47 Ag Labourer WIL Hillmarton [Hilmarton] (c1804) BEARD Catherine WI M 46 - WIL Kelston [SOM] (c1805) BEARD Ann DA - 19 - GLS Cromhall (c1832) BEARD Robert SO - 14 - GLS Cromhall (c1837) BEARD Henry SO - 13 - GLS Cromhall (c1838) BEARD Thomas SO - 10 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1841) BEARD Edward SO - 9 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1842) And here, for the record, is John PITT. 1956 1851 CENSUS HO107/1956 FF. 0476 - 0492 ED. 11 HAWKESBURY Piece: 1956 Folio: 0486 Schedule: 063 Address: Hillsley PITT John HD M 52 Carpenter GLS Hawkesbury (c1799) PITT Sarah Ann WI M 50 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1801) PITT Clarissa DA U 30 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1821) PITT Drusilla DA U 19 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1832) Carole -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:14 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of Catherine by her first marriage? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a "moment" before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . In Bibstone Cromhall John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield Marilyn ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Marilyn, I've just answered my own question! 1957 1851 CENSUS HO107/1957 FF.0379 - 0390 ED.8A THORNBURY Piece: 1957 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 047 Address: Poorend BEARD Robert HD M 47 Ag Labourer WIL Hillmarton [Hilmarton] (c1804) BEARD Catherine WI M 46 - WIL Kelston [SOM] (c1805) BEARD Ann DA - 19 - GLS Cromhall (c1832) BEARD Robert SO - 14 - GLS Cromhall (c1837) BEARD Henry SO - 13 - GLS Cromhall (c1838) BEARD Thomas SO - 10 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1841) BEARD Edward SO - 9 Scholar GLS Cromhall (c1842) And here, for the record, is John PITT. 1956 1851 CENSUS HO107/1956 FF. 0476 - 0492 ED. 11 HAWKESBURY Piece: 1956 Folio: 0486 Schedule: 063 Address: Hillsley PITT John HD M 52 Carpenter GLS Hawkesbury (c1799) PITT Sarah Ann WI M 50 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1801) PITT Clarissa DA U 30 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1821) PITT Drusilla DA U 19 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1832) Carole -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 April 2005 20:14 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" Marilyn Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of Catherine by her first marriage? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a "moment" before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . In Bibstone Cromhall John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield Marilyn ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

Marilyn Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of Catherine by her first marriage? Carole -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a "moment" before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . In Bibstone Cromhall John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield Marilyn ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a "moment" before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . In Bibstone Cromhall John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield Marilyn

Hi again Lorraine & Leslie Have you seen the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census entries for Robert STAFFORD in Glamorgan? If not here they are: 2464 1851 CENSUS OF GURNOS PARCEL. REF.H.O.107/2464, E.D.1A. Piece: 2464 Folio: 010 Schedule: 044 Address: YNYSCEDWYN WORKS LEWIS ELIZABETH WI M 43 DRESSMAKER/BUTLER'S WIFE BKM AMERSHAM(c1808) STAFFORD ROBERT LG U 26 GARDENER,DOMESTIC GLS HAWKESBURY(c1825) THOMAS DAVID SV U 44 COACHMAN,DOMESTIC PEM -(c1807) Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD 4089 1861 CENSUS OF GURNOS. R.G.9/4089, E.D.1. Piece: 4089 Folio: 014 Schedule: 111 Address: GLANRHYD STAFFORD ROBERT HD M 38 GARDENER DOM.SERVANT GLS HAWKESBURY(c1823) STAFFORD MARY WI M 35 LAUNDRESS GLA SWANSEA(c1826) STAFFORD ROBERT M. SO - 7 SCHOLAR BRE YSTRADGYNLAIS (c1854) STAFFORD DAVID O. SO - 5 SCHOLAR BRE YSTRADGYNLAIS (c1856) STAFFORD MARY ANN DA - 9M - BRE YSTRADGYNLAIS (c1860) JONES CHARLOTTE VR U 26 LAUNDRESS GLA SWANSEA,(c1835) JONES ANN VR U 25 DRESSMAKER GLA SWANSEA (c1836) CHAMBERLAIN JOSEPH VR - 1 - GLA SWANSEA (c1860) WILLIAMS ELIZA J. SV U 19 HOUSE SERVANT GLA SWANSEA (c1842) 1871 census Neath District EN Dist 5 Ystradfellte Ynisygarrion Cottage 072 034 STAFFORD Robert HD M 49 Gardner born GLS Hawkesbury Upton " Mary Wife 45 GLA Sketty " Robert Morgan So U 17 Scholar BRE Yniscedwyn " David Charles So U 15 Smith " " " Mary Ann Dau 10 Scholar " " Joseph Jackson So 9 " " Eliza Jane Dau 6 " GLA Dyffryn Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: L & L.Shephard [mailto:lodnles@ozzienet.net] Sent: 22 April 2005 10:23 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family Thanking all who have helped me create the STAFFORD family tree - especially Pam, Carole & Robert. Pam's explanation of the "Half Brother" relationship between Thomas and Robert certainly made everything fall into place. I am partially upset by the fact that so few baptisms are recorded on the IGI - but the "hawkesburyhistory" site has been of immense value. The full story appears to be : James STAFFORD of Nettleton, Wilts married (1) Grace FLOWER and had children Jane, Ann, Mary, Thomas and Jane. Following death of first wife Grace, James married (2) Grace BALL and had children Ann, Robert, Joseph and William. Thomas from first marriage married (1) Ann JONES on 26 Jan 1817 and had two children John (29 Jun 1817) and Ann (21 Sep 1818). Following death of wife Ann, Thomas married (2) Grace KILMINSTER on 9 Feb 1819 and had two children Thomas (b.1822) and Ann (b.1833). This child Thomas later married Hannah HATTAWAY 4 Apr 1843. Robert from second marriage of James married Mary Ann THOMPSON 27 Aug 1820 and had four children - Robert (1821), Joseph (1825) Lot (1828) and Eliza (1831). It is this Robert (1821) who married Mary Ann JONES 16 Sep 1851 whose eldest son David Charles STAFFORD married Elizabeth Whiting AKERS and moved to Glamorgan by 1881. More information is available to any with connections to this family. Are the Wiltshire baptisms available through the Internet? Lorraine & Leslie Shephard Falcon, Mandurah, Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamela robinson" <pamela@robinson589.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > Thomas - who married Ann Jones and Grace Kilmister was in fact the Half Brother of Robert who married Mary Ann Thompson. Their Father James who lived in Nettleton was married to a Grace Flower and had five children - > Hope this makes sense, Pam. ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

Thanking all who have helped me create the STAFFORD family tree - especially Pam, Carole & Robert. Pam's explanation of the "Half Brother" relationship between Thomas and Robert certainly made everything fall into place. I am partially upset by the fact that so few baptisms are recorded on the IGI - but the "hawkesburyhistory" site has been of immense value. The full story appears to be : James STAFFORD of Nettleton, Wilts married (1) Grace FLOWER and had children Jane, Ann, Mary, Thomas and Jane. Following death of first wife Grace, James married (2) Grace BALL and had children Ann, Robert, Joseph and William. Thomas from first marriage married (1) Ann JONES on 26 Jan 1817 and had two children John (29 Jun 1817) and Ann (21 Sep 1818). Following death of wife Ann, Thomas married (2) Grace KILMINSTER on 9 Feb 1819 and had two children Thomas (b.1822) and Ann (b.1833). This child Thomas later married Hannah HATTAWAY 4 Apr 1843. Robert from second marriage of James married Mary Ann THOMPSON 27 Aug 1820 and had four children - Robert (1821), Joseph (1825) Lot (1828) and Eliza (1831). It is this Robert (1821) who married Mary Ann JONES 16 Sep 1851 whose eldest son David Charles STAFFORD married Elizabeth Whiting AKERS and moved to Glamorgan by 1881. More information is available to any with connections to this family. Are the Wiltshire baptisms available through the Internet? Lorraine & Leslie Shephard Falcon, Mandurah, Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamela robinson" <pamela@robinson589.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > Thomas - who married Ann Jones and Grace Kilmister was in fact the Half Brother of Robert who married Mary Ann Thompson. Their Father James who lived in Nettleton was married to a Grace Flower and had five children - > Hope this makes sense, Pam.

Thank you for your transcription of the above will Sue. Richard is my 9 x g-grandfather and when I saw that there was a will I was full of hope that it might throw some light on what has been a mystery to me. Richard also had a son William who is not mentioned in his father's will. If you look at William's will on Robert's website you will see that he names his brothers and sisters, all of whom are mentioned in Richard's will. I had realised that William was a great deal older than his siblings and was no doubt born of an earlier marriage. He was baptised at Hawkesbury in August 1607 son of Richard and married Penelope NEALE at Hawkesbury in November 1634. Other baptisms for issue of Richard are: Elizabeth 1621 and Martha 1623, John 1626, Joseph 1630 and Maurice 1632. Maurice married Rebecca Stinchcombe in 1661. Has anyone got any further information on the HANCOCKs? I could not see Richard in Men and Armour1608 and I have gone through the Portman papers again to look for a clue. There are many entries regarding leases, etc. where Richard is witness which date from 1620. I would be grateful if there is someone who can help. Regards, Pat Adair

Hi All, May I introduce you to a Hawkesbury Upton criminal? Namely Joseph WATTS, son of Hugh WATTS and Margaret (nee HYDE). There are 2 records for him at Gloucester RO but I was unable to find the first one.for 24 March 1854. Gloucester prison Record Q/Gc/6/3 Joseph Watts age 17 committed 24 Mar 1854 Labourer of Hawkesbury Upton Joseph Watts age 21 committed 21 Oct 1857 Labourer of Hawkesbury Upton 1857 Henry LUKE Alias WHITE age 30 labourer of Charfield and Joseph WATTS age 21 labourer of Hawkesbury Upton. Warrant dated October 6 1857. Received into custody Oct 21 1857 Offence : Stealing two and a half bushels of lime of the value of 1s the property of Henry BRADBURY at Cromhall, 1st Oct 1857. Tried Oct 21 1857. Found Guilty of larceny. Sentence: Imprisonment with hard labour for 3 months in the Penitentiary House at Gloucester. Joseph WATTS was baptised 25 December 1836 at St Mary’s, does not seem to have married and was buried at St Mary’s November 12 1874 aged 38. Cheers Carole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005

Hi Jenny I am trying to send you some Wills but your Email address is bouncing still don't know why I have jenny.joyce@writeme.com is this correct? regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk

Hello again, I'm back from our break in Dorset, and have been reading all the E Mails regarding the Staffords. Thomas - who married Ann Jones and Grace Kilmister was in fact the Half Brother of Robert who married Mary Ann Thompson. Their Father James who lived in Nettleton was married to a Grace Flower and had five children - Jane, Ann, Mary Flower, THOMAS Born 10.3.1785. Bapt.27.3.1785, and Jane, His wife then died and he married again, another Grace (Ball), and went on to have Ann. ROBERT, Joseph and William (but cannot find a baptism for William). Thomas died 8th Nov. 1843. He had a Son Thomas and Daughter Ann. this Thomas married Hannah Hattaway 4th April 1843. Hope this makes sense, Pam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L & L.Shephard" <lodnles@ozzienet.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > Carole, > > Many thanks for your reply to my query on the STAFFORD family. Just what > was wanted, but I now have the problem that "my" Thomas STAFFORD (who > married Hannah HATHAWAY) was *not* the son of Robert & Mary Ann THOMPSON)! > > Back to the drawing board ..... but just in case there is a connection can > you tell me about the location of Petty France where Hannah HATHAWAY was > born? Anywhere near Slimbridge? > > Lorraine & Leslie Shephard > Falcon, Mandurah, > Western Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:45 AM > Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > > > Hi Leslie & Pam > > > > >From the St Marys Hawkesbury parish registers: > > > > Marriage No 85 27 August 1820 > > Robert STAFFORD otp and Mary Ann THOMPSON (X) otp Banns. > > Witnesses John THOMPSON (X) and Wm POWER > > > > No 57 4th April 1843 > > Thomas STAFFORD, of age, bachelor carpenter, Upton, son of Thomas > > STAFFORD, Carpenter & > > Hannah HATHAWAY, of age, spinster, Petty France, daughter of Thomas > > HATHAWAY, labourer > > Witnesses Thomas HATHAWAY & Elizabeth FRENCH > > > > > > I didn’t see a Thomas STAFFORD between 1819 and 1828 - no guarantees > > though! > > > > Cheers > > Carole > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > > >

Hi List Above ages given as 50 in 1891 census so probable birth around 1841, obviously. Does anyone know if they had any children? One more thing - Robert, anything else need transcribing? Regards Lisa

Good morning all. Just an enquiry for a couple of burials please. From the 1851 census Hillesley:- James Stinchcome age 71 Ag.lab Hawkesbury Esther " " 69 " They don't seem to be on the 1861 census and I can't find burials for them at Hawkesbury,so perhaps they are at Hillesley or even non-conformist So any help appreciated. Thanks Jim. This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message.

Good morning all. Just an enquiry for a couple of burials please. From the 1851 census Hillesley:- James Stinchcome age 71 Ag.lab Hawkesbury Esther " " 69 " They don't seem to be on the 1861 census and I can't find burials for them at Hawkesbury,so perhaps they are at Hillesley or even non-conformist So any help appreciated. Thanks Jim. This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message.

At 08:10 18/04/2005, Marilyn Moffat wrote: >I'm not sure about Chipping Sodbury - it is a much larger place and as the >centre of the registration district, I think it has the potential to widen >the scope enormously - I think it is a fine line here to then include all >the other villages in the area - Yate, Westerleigh - even Marshfield is in >the Reg District...I think there is benefit keeping it to the very local >knowledge. >What does anyone else think? Hi gang, I suggested in a post to the new NW Wilts List, that it would be very sensible to include places like Kemble and Long Newnton as being part of that area. My reasoning was that although they are now in GLS and their Parish Registers held in the GLS RO, that they are Wiltshire Ancient Parishes. Further, both the Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers and the Society of Genealogists consider them to be WIL. I believe the more Lists to which one can address their research enquries the merrier. That is, I do not prescribe nor proscribe what parishes are part of Tetbury, so I consider Beverstone, Avening, etc fair game. BUT, if some one posted a request bout Hawkesbury, for example, I would gently suggest that they re-posted in the Hawkesbury List <grin> My WITCHELL souls, who married to a WARN thrice, (three separate souls, that is!) I collect anywhere but mainly from GLS and WIIL Ultimately, of course, Marilyn is the List Boss, but I hope she is not too proscriptive! <vbg> After all, family history is a hobby not a chore, even if it does seem the latter at times. Cheers Phil. Warn Tetbury List dad, among others

I'm not sure about Chipping Sodbury - it is a much larger place and as the centre of the registration district, I think it has the potential to widen the scope enormously - I think it is a fine line here to then include all the other villages in the area - Yate, Westerleigh - even Marshfield is in the Reg District...I think there is benefit keeping it to the very local knowledge. What does anyone else think? -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Joyce [mailto:jenny.joyce@writeme.com] Sent: 18 April 2005 01:34 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] List Coverage And Chipping Sodbury too - the Always kept popping up there Regards Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] List Coverage Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:24:46 +0100 > > Hi Marilyn > Could we include Old Sodbury & Little Sodbury please? These villages > seem to play a key role in my WATTS family roots. > > Cheers > Carole > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] > Sent: 16 April 2005 09:24 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] List Coverage > > Robert and I have been discussing the list and his web site and would > like > to propose that we formally modify the remit of the list. Robert's idea > was > to make it cover - as he says a "greater Hawkesbury, as in Greater > London". > This means that we would be able to discuss happenings in the villages > immediately around Hawkesbury as well. This would make it "match up" to > the > new expanded web pages that Robert is developing as well. > > I think this is more or less what happens already, as our ancestors did > move > between these villages a lot, but we thought we should formalise this > and > list the villages we think should be included. My starting point would > be > the following list - very similar to that suggested by Carol in an > earlier > discussion as contiguous parishes, without any Wiltshire Villages to > conform > to the "GLS" in the title, and leaving our larger places like Tetbury > which > already has a list. > > Oldbury on the Hill, > > Didmarton > > Great Badminton > > Horton > > Wickwar > > Kingswood > > Alderley > > Ozleworth > > Boxwell > > Tresham > > Hillesley > > . It will be a bit difficult to draw the line, Robert has suggested me > might make it contiguous with the boundary of the Hawkesbury Deanery. I > haven't got a full list of the villages to post here yet, but no doubt > Robert can help me! I believe however that this is a bit wider than my > original list as I know it includes Cromhall, as the Rector of Cromhall > when > I was a kid was the Rural Dean for Hawkesbury! > > Anyway - Robert - and anyone else with an opinion, please let us know > what > you think before I formalise it! > > > > > > Marilyn > > List Admin > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in > CAPITALS. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 16/04/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 16/04/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Does anyone have any input into this? Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Joyce" <jenny.joyce@writeme.com> To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Problem with Nathaniel Stinchcombe in Maryland Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:16:20 -0500 > > Hi everyone, > > Here I am - being a problem again! > > This time my concern is with the Nathaniel who went to Anne Arundel > Co in Maryland. > > I have the son of Nicholas of Killcot as being the relevant person, > but the problem comes with the will of his brother Nicholas, dated > 1709. In that will Nicholas directs his son John as follows "my > will and do devise my son John do assist my brother Nathaniel in > the management of his executorship and for time and trouble therein > I give him forty shillings to be paid by my brother Nathaniel > within six months after my decease". > > By 1709 the Maryland Nathaniel was dead (having died in 1673). But > in Nathaniel's will, he mentions his brother John, his brother > Nicholas and his sister Rebecca Handcocke. There is no mention of > his sister Sarah (married to John Alway) or his brother Thomas. > > Have I got two separate families muddled up, or what is going on? > > Jenny > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May > and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book > lunch. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and > friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm