I have a marriage for Revd. M. Fortune to MARY WICKS /allegation 30 Jan 1669/70 d/o BRICE Wicks yeoman. > > Brice FRANCUM + Elizabeth DAWE 19 Feb 1587. Regards Patsy

Dear Carole, Thanks for thinking of us Witchells! Question for the group but not strictly Hawkesbury but someone might know. Would be pleased if anyone has anything on Revd. Moore Fortune, Rector of Wickwar.......have someone looking at the Fortune family in Monmouth....Mayors of Monmouth,( a nephew of Rev. M. Fortune). I have a brief family tree as Revd. Moore Fortune m. Anne Witchell d/o Jonathan Witchell. Another marriage left twins Sylvanus and Timotheus bpt 25 July 1678 N. Nibley. Kind regards, Patsy on 27/4/05 7:57 am, ANTHONY SHARP at sharpafc@btinternet.com wrote: > Found amongst the Cam marriages recorded by Phillimore > > Ferdinand DODSWELL of Cam & Winifred HARDING of Hawkesbury, licence 13 > June 1665 > > For Sue SISSONS > Thomas IDOLES & Ursilla OSWELL 25 June 1604 > Edward PRINCES & Anna IDOLS 5 Oct 1650 > William IDDOLS of Stinchcombe & Anne WICKHAM of Cam > > And for WITCHELL enthusiasts > Samuel WITCHELL p. Sopworth Wilts & Hannah MORSE this p. Licence 10 May > 1773 > > Cheers > Carole > > > >

Hi Jim, Jenny, Robert and All I've just had a look at Phillimore's marriages for Cam to see whether any STINCHCOMBE's are recorded there (since Phillimores does not include Dyrham) There were just 2 marriages: John STINCHCMBE p. Nibley + Elizabeth PHILLIMORE otp 6 May 1758 Thomas STINCHCOMBE p. Berkeley & Hannah PACKER this p. 1 March 1778 Just one FRANCUM too. Brice FRANCUM + Elizabeth DAWE 19 Feb 1587. Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Stow, James H [mailto:james.stow@airbus.com] Sent: 27 April 2005 07:02 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HWK] A possible missing Stinchcombe? Good morning Jenny, I think iv'e written it all down but the first birth date was before the marriage date but no mention of base born but I could have been mistaken as I was so surprised to see Stinchcombes at Dyrham that I asked one of the girls at the desk to help confirm the name,[I was looking for Francombe]so perhaps I was a bit flummoxed.I would have thought the date is old style at that time and will go back to check when i'm next at Bristol record office.Thanks Jim. -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Joyce [mailto:jenny.joyce@writeme.com] Sent: 27 April 2005 06:36 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] A possible missing Stinchcombe? Hi Jim, > Seen in the parish records for Dyrham Glos.John Stynchcome of > Cambe[this unclear] married > Elizabeth Camborne/Camdon[also unclear] of Dyrham Feb.1593 > Nov. 1593 John son of John and Elizabeth baptised. > Sep. 1595 William son of John and Elizabeth baptised > Mar.1597 Robert son of John and Elizabeth baptised. Has this marriage date been converted to New Style (i.e. were they actually married Feb 1592/3), because otherwise the son John is baptised before the marriage and therefore I would expect the baptism entry to indicate that he was base born. REgards Jenny -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. This e-mail is intended only for the above addressee. It may contain privileged information. If you are not the addressee you must not copy, distribute, disclose or use any of the information in it. If you have received it in error please delete it and immediately notify the sender. Security Notice: all e-mail, sent to or from this address, may be accessed by someone other than the recipient, for system management and security reasons. This access is controlled under Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, Lawful Business Practises. ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005

Found amongst the Cam marriages recorded by Phillimore Ferdinand DODSWELL of Cam & Winifred HARDING of Hawkesbury, licence 13 June 1665 For Sue SISSONS Thomas IDOLES & Ursilla OSWELL 25 June 1604 Edward PRINCES & Anna IDOLS 5 Oct 1650 William IDDOLS of Stinchcombe & Anne WICKHAM of Cam And for WITCHELL enthusiasts Samuel WITCHELL p. Sopworth Wilts & Hannah MORSE this p. Licence 10 May 1773 Cheers Carole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005

Hi Jenny Yes Robert did have a daughter Welthian who married Rodger ALDRIDGE 1592 at Minchinhampton but she is not in the Will below perhaps she was already taken care of in a marriage settlement or perhaps deceased with no issue? Abstract of the Will of ROB'TE STINCHCOMBE, 1599 In the name of god Amen in the yeare of oure lorde god one thousande five hundreth ninetie nine the six and twentith daye of Aprell, I ROBARDE STYNCHCOM husband man, etc., of the parishe of Cam in the countie of Gloucr. To my eldest sonne JOHN STINCHCOMBE all my lands wch was given me in maryage wth my wyfe mother to the saide JOHN wth all buildings uppone the saide lande and all benches shelves and lockes to the dores. My sonne JOHN shall paye out of the lyvinge & his porsion to ROBART my youngest sonne forty shillings. Out of the rest of my goodes unto the forsayde ROBARTE my sonne twenty shillings to be payd by myne executors to his use ymmediately after my decease. All the rest of my goods unto my twoe Daughters MARGERY STINCHCOME & ANNES STINCHCOME equally to de devydyd, and I ordayne my said twoe dauters to be my full and whole executors. ROBERTE STINCHCOM his mke. Red sealed and delyvered in ye presence of us JHON CHURCHMA' mynister THOMAS MYNOR, ALIC TOMLINS his mke. my sonne JOHN STINCHCOM oweth me twelve shillings lent him. JEREMY FRENCHE oweth for rent eyght shillings. Proved 4 October 1599. and Johns Will in 1608 men and armour he is in Dursley area a servant to Thomas Smith - 1 - m. 1= aman 20+ ie 20-30 M= man of medium stature Abstract of the Will of JOHN STINCHCOMBE, 1661 28 August 1660. I, JOHN STINCHCOMBE of Cam in the county of Gloucr, Husbandman, being sicke and weake, etc. Unto SARAH BLAKE my only daughter all my lands & Tenements whatsoever in Came to her and her assignes for ever. Unto ANNE my wiffe ye bedde whereon I now lodge and ye bedstead in my lodging Chamber and all ye furniture to ye bed and bedstead, my best chest and ye box wch shee brought wth her, ye dresser in ye Hall and one brasse pott one brasse kettle and ye biggest skillet & three peeces of pewter & five poundes in money & my Heifer wch is almost 2 years old, provided my wife doe pay to her Sister ELIZABETH the sume of five & fifty shilllings. To my sister ELIZABETH TURNER ye summe of Twenty Shillings, & to her children (to ye males and females) one shilling apeece. To ANNE TYENHAM my servant one shilling. To my Brother in lawe JOHN OLLIFFE my best suit of apparrell. To the abovesaid SARH BLAKE my only Daughter, wife of GEORGE BLAKE all ye rest of my goods chattels cattall, etc, and I make her sole executrix. I appoynt Mr. WILL. HARDINGE & JOHN AWOOD to be overseers. JOHN STINCHCOMBE his mke. Witnesses WILL. HARDINGE RICH. DOWSELL his mke. Proved 30 June 1661 regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk

Good morning Jenny, I think iv'e written it all down but the first birth date was before the marriage date but no mention of base born but I could have been mistaken as I was so surprised to see Stinchcombes at Dyrham that I asked one of the girls at the desk to help confirm the name,[I was looking for Francombe]so perhaps I was a bit flummoxed.I would have thought the date is old style at that time and will go back to check when i'm next at Bristol record office.Thanks Jim. -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Joyce [mailto:jenny.joyce@writeme.com] Sent: 27 April 2005 06:36 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] A possible missing Stinchcombe? Hi Jim, > Seen in the parish records for Dyrham Glos.John Stynchcome of > Cambe[this unclear] married > Elizabeth Camborne/Camdon[also unclear] of Dyrham Feb.1593 > Nov. 1593 John son of John and Elizabeth baptised. > Sep. 1595 William son of John and Elizabeth baptised > Mar.1597 Robert son of John and Elizabeth baptised. Has this marriage date been converted to New Style (i.e. were they actually married Feb 1592/3), because otherwise the son John is baptised before the marriage and therefore I would expect the baptism entry to indicate that he was base born. REgards Jenny -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. This e-mail is intended only for the above addressee. It may contain privileged information. If you are not the addressee you must not copy, distribute, disclose or use any of the information in it. If you have received it in error please delete it and immediately notify the sender. Security Notice: all e-mail, sent to or from this address, may be accessed by someone other than the recipient, for system management and security reasons. This access is controlled under Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, Lawful Business Practises.

Hi Carole, Many thanks for those additions to my collection. Wish I could identify them - a new challenge methinks!!! Do you have a date for the William Iddols of Stinchcombe and Anne Wickham marriage? Cheers Sue

Hi all, > > I've just had a look at Phillimore's marriages for Cam to see whether > any STINCHCOMBE's are recorded there (since Phillimores does not include > Dyrham) > > There were just 2 marriages: > > John STINCHCMBE p. Nibley + Elizabeth PHILLIMORE otp 6 May 1758 > Thomas STINCHCOMBE p. Berkeley & Hannah PACKER this p. 1 March 1778 > If you look at the Cam pages on GENUKI you can find a link to a page with transcriptions of the Phillimores marriages, and they also include John STINCHCOMBE & Agnice TRAHERN marr 22 May 1651 Regards Jenny -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

Hi Robert, > > and Johns Will in 1608 men and armour he is in Dursley area a servant to > Thomas Smith - 1 - m. 1= aman 20+ ie 20-30 M= man of medium stature why would he inherit property in Cam in 1599, be living in Dursley in 1608, and then back in Cam in 1660? Also, this John must have been born between 1578 and 1588, yet you have him marrying Anne Oliffe and having a daughter Sarah in about 1565! Also, you have his parents marrying about 1545. We know from the 1599 will of Robert that John is his eldest son. We also know that Robert is alive in 1553, but don't know what age he was. If we are not careful, John could end up being in his 90s (or older) when he made this will, and at that time his wife was still alive! Could there be a missing generation? I.e Robert who died 1599 had a son John (who was old enough in 1599 to have been lent 12s - not a small sum), and that this John also had a son John who died in 1661? Also, regarding your wondering whether Nicholas could have been the first to move to Cam, and therefore his son Thomas possibly having a son John who married in Dursley, bear in mind that Robert got his property in Cam by right of his marriage. That doesn't prove anything one way or other about his father or brothers I know, but should be born in mind. Regards Jenny -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

Hi Jim, > Seen in the parish records for Dyrham Glos.John Stynchcome of > Cambe[this unclear] married > Elizabeth Camborne/Camdon[also unclear] of Dyrham Feb.1593 > Nov. 1593 John son of John and Elizabeth baptised. > Sep. 1595 William son of John and Elizabeth baptised > Mar.1597 Robert son of John and Elizabeth baptised. Has this marriage date been converted to New Style (i.e. were they actually married Feb 1592/3), because otherwise the son John is baptised before the marriage and therefore I would expect the baptism entry to indicate that he was base born. REgards Jenny -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

Hi Robert, > we know a suitable candidate would be Roberts > son John they both lived in Cam and we have both Robert and Johns Wills They are not on your web site - could you post them there? > Robert only mentions elder son John, Robert and dtrs Margery and Anne who I also have a daughter Welthian Stinchcombe > I can't really > see him not mentioning 3 grandsons as he even mentions the locks on the > doors in his will. It's not beyond the realm of possibility - only one of my grandparents mentioned me in their wills.... Regards Jenny -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

Hi Jim Well spotted It says John is of "Cambe" this must be Cam which is just out side of Dursley and this gets us fairly close, I have our very first Thomas in Tortworths brother Nicholas from Thomas's will he says Nicholas has 3 sons Robert, William, and Thomas, we know a suitable candidate would be Roberts son John they both lived in Cam and we have both Robert and Johns Wills but Robert only mentions elder son John, Robert and dtrs Margery and Anne who all seem to be of age in 1599 no grand children mentioned? I can't really see him not mentioning 3 grandsons as he even mentions the locks on the doors in his will. But we might have another clue, Robert snr had a brother Thomas again mentioned in Thomas of Tortworths will of 1553, its possible it was Nicholas who originally moved to Cam and that's how Robert was there if so Thomas could be there also we know next to nothing of Thomas except for his mention in the will of 1553. but having just read it again Thomas gives a furnace to " John son of Thomas " I thought this was his grandson John but I don't think he has been born yet and in any case what would an under 3 year old do with a furnace? which leaves us with John son of Thomas son of Nicholas brother of Thomas d,1553. Dyrham as I recall is connected to Dursley and the WICKS family I seem to recall the owners of Dursley castle built an estate at Dyrham which is situated near to Old Sodbury and was not and is not any old village it was an estate park similar to Tortworth. more digging required regards Robert PS I have some Wills for the CREWS at Dyrham that Pat ADAIR and I got from the GRO Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk

Seen in the parish records for Dyrham Glos.John Stynchcome of Cambe[this unclear] married Elizabeth Camborne/Camdon[also unclear] of Dyrham Feb.1593 Nov. 1593 John son of John and Elizabeth baptised. Sep. 1595 William son of John and Elizabeth baptised Mar.1597 Robert son of John and Elizabeth baptised. I'm curious if anybody knows of these.It seems unlikely they haven't been spotted before. There doesn't seem to be any more baptisms or burials for them at Dyrham so perhaps they went to Hawkesbury.Stranger things happen!! Please reply if there is more info on them.Thanks Jim. P.S.there are also Crews and Mabbots at Dyrham at the same time. This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message.

Seen in the parish records for Dyrham Glos.John Stynchcome of Cambe[this unclear] married Elizabeth Camborne/Camdon[also unclear] of Dyrham Feb.1593 Nov. 1593 John son of John and Elizabeth baptised. Sep. 1595 William son of John and Elizabeth baptised Mar.1597 Robert son of John and Elizabeth baptised. I'm curious if anybody knows of these.It seems unlikely they haven't been spotted before. There doesn't seem to be any more baptisms or burials for them at Dyrham so perhaps they went to Hawkesbury.Stranger things happen!! Please reply if there is more info on them.Thanks Jim. This e-mail is intended only for the above addressee. It may contain privileged information. If you are not the addressee you must not copy, distribute, disclose or use any of the information in it. If you have received it in error please delete it and immediately notify the sender. Security Notice: all e-mail, sent to or from this address, may be accessed by someone other than the recipient, for system management and security reasons. This access is controlled under Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, Lawful Business Practises.

Greetings Carole, You have been so very helpful. Although I think I have at last reached the end of my current research on the STAFFORD family, I intend to maintain my 'subscription' to the Hawkesbury mailing list - at least for the time being. Maybe I will get an opportunity to repay in some small way for all the help I have received. My connection is through those STAFFORDs who went to Glamorgan & Breconshire. The eldest daughter of David Charles STAFFORD & Elizabeth Whiting AKERS married the eldest of my father's brothers. Because my grandfather was apparently such a tyrant some brothers left home and this SHEPHARD family was never mentioned. I never even knew my father had 7 brothers and sisters, and so my research into my own family history has tended to be very detailed - and of course quite absorbing! Leslie Shephard (& lovely wife Lorraine) Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:28 AM Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD & FERRIS family > Hi L & L (since I don't know which one you are!) > > >From the St Mary's Hawkesbury PRs > > Baptisms > No 538 Oct 31 1858 (Note all of these are listed under the same number - > it must have been a family outing!) > > Ann dau of Hannah FERRID, Upton, Spinster > Jane, dau of Edward & Ruth FERRIS, Upton, Labourer > George, son of George & Mary FERRIS, Upton, labourer > > No 19 August 11 1867 George Thomas, son of Hannah FERRIS, Spinster, > Upton > No 143 may 28 1871 Hannah Elizabeth Stafford, dau of Hannah FERRIS, > spinster, Upton > > (I think this may give you an answer!) > > Burials > No 1565 Aug 16 1882 Robert STAFFORD Plot 14D Upton Age 86 > No 1581 17 May 1883 Hannah FERRIS Upton age 54 > > Hope this helps, > Carole > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L & L.Shephard [mailto:lodnles@ozzienet.net] > Sent: 23 April 2005 09:27 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > Carol, > > Yes thanks - I do have all the census details for "my" STAFFORD family. > Many thanks for your continued interest & help. > > Dare I mention another problem? > 1861 census shows Thomas STAFFORD, widow, 39, carpenter with daughter > Sarah > G, scholar, aged 10 yrs. Also present is Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper > aged > 32 yrs and her daughter Ann S, aged 2 years. > 1871 census for Thomas STAFFORD, 49, carpenter shows Hannah FERRIS, > servant, > age 42 yrs together with boarders Annie FERRIS, 12, George FERRIS, 3, > and > Hannah E FERRIS aged 2 months. > 1881 census for Thomas STAFORD (sic) at Park Street, Hawkesbury, lists > Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper, relationship unknown, together with George > STAFFORD born abt 1868 and Hannah STAFFORD born about 1871. > > Is there a "story" here ? > Hannah FERRIS born abt 1828 is known to have had Ann S illegitimately on > 31 > Oct 1858. Is it possible to verify that both George (1867) and Hannah > (1871) although named FERRIS were actually children of Thomas STAFFORD? > I > note a death record for Hannah FERRIS 2nd qtr 1883 aged 54 years, buried > at > Hawkesbury 17 May 1883. If her death was "impending" maybe that is > why > the children were named STAFFORD in the 1881 census! > > Any comments (from anyone on this wonderful list)? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:27 AM > Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > > > > > > > Hi again Lorraine & Leslie > > Have you seen the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census entries for Robert STAFFORD > > in Glamorgan? > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Marilyn & Carole As you know I also have an interest in the PITT name and have struggled with John as well. I don't believe the one in Cromhall is from our direct PITT line - probably a cousin. It gets so confusing when the same name crops up in every generation!! The John we are talking about would have been born in 1826, the son of John PITT and Sarah Ann PURNELL. His father John was born in 1798, the same time frame as the Cromhall one so that is why I am thinking he could fit in as a cousin. In 1851 we have the two John PITTS born circa 1798, the one in Cromhall and our one in Hillesley. In 1851 there is a John PITT , 23 bn Hawkesbury living in Newcastle Higher, Glam. In 1855 he marries Ellen COOMBS and in both the 1861 & 1871 censes they are still in Newcastle Higher, Glam. I agree that John (bn 1826) could possibly be the father of Edwin John HULBERT and I believe Edwin could have been John's only child as Ellen was a widow who already had 5 children when she married John. There is a death reg in Bridgend reg Mar Q 1878 for a John PITT age 51 which would fit in. Cheers Fay Qld, Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Moffat" <marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [HWK] PITT "Strays" > So you too think the John of 1851 is probably resettled in 1861 in Cromhall > with a widow! I believe John had one more son than those listed in 1851 - > born about 1826, John junior shows up in the 1841 census. > My conclusion - which after years of teasing at the problem is still only > speculation, is this: > I have from the 1851 census one more member of John Pitt senior's household- > Edwin HULBERT age 2 grandson. Edwin's middle name is John and in later years > - when I finally deciphered the place of birth, as mangled by enumerators > across the county, Edwin was often listed as John too - and this finally > proves the one bit of oral history I had about my granddad having "an uncle > called John"!! The only thing I can conclude therefore is that Edwin's > father is John Pitt - a man who later turns up in south Wales, along with > many other ex-Hawkesbury/ Hillesley residents. > > Marilyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] > Sent: 22 April 2005 20:23 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" > > Marilyn, > I've just answered my own question! > > 1957 1851 CENSUS HO107/1957 FF.0379 - 0390 ED.8A THORNBURY > > > Piece: 1957 Folio: 0388 Schedule: 047 > Address: Poorend > > BEARD Robert HD M 47 Ag Labourer > WIL Hillmarton [Hilmarton] (c1804) > BEARD Catherine WI M 46 - > WIL Kelston [SOM] (c1805) > BEARD Ann DA - 19 - > GLS Cromhall (c1832) > BEARD Robert SO - 14 - > GLS Cromhall (c1837) > BEARD Henry SO - 13 - > GLS Cromhall (c1838) > BEARD Thomas SO - 10 Scholar > GLS Cromhall (c1841) > BEARD Edward SO - 9 Scholar > GLS Cromhall (c1842) > > And here, for the record, is John PITT. > > 1956 1851 CENSUS HO107/1956 FF. 0476 - 0492 ED. 11 HAWKESBURY > > > Piece: 1956 Folio: 0486 Schedule: 063 > > Address: Hillsley > > PITT John HD M 52 Carpenter > GLS Hawkesbury > (c1799) > PITT Sarah Ann WI M 50 - > GLS Hawkesbury > (c1801) > PITT Clarissa DA U 30 - > GLS Hawkesbury > (c1821) > PITT Drusilla DA U 19 - > GLS Hawkesbury > (c1832) > > Carole > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] > Sent: 22 April 2005 20:14 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" > > Marilyn > Do you think that the unmarried "son in law" could be the son of > Catherine by her first marriage? > > Carole > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marilyn Moffat [mailto:marilyn@moffat-mk.co.uk] > Sent: 22 April 2005 19:00 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] PITT "Strays" > > I have an interest in a John PITT so when I spotted this I had a > "moment" > before I realised he was probably not the JohnPITT carpenter living > Hillesley in 1851 with wife Sara (unless he remarried?) > > Nevertheless here he is in 1861, in case anyone is interested . > > > > In Bibstone Cromhall > > John PITT Head mar, 63, Carpenter, Glos Hillesley > > Catherine, wife, 57, Wilts, Caltstone(?) Coln > > Thomas Beard Son in Law, UN 21, labourer Glos Brinsfield > > > > > > Marilyn > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at > http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at > http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. 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Hello Leslie and lovely Lorraine! Happy to help! My WATTS family came to Glamorgan too which I why I have Glamorgan data. If there's anythiny else, just let me know Cheers from a sunny for once)Cardiff Carole -----Original Message----- From: L & L.Shephard [mailto:lodnles@ozzienet.net] Sent: 24 April 2005 06:11 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD & FERRIS family Greetings Carole, You have been so very helpful. Although I think I have at last reached the end of my current research on the STAFFORD family, I intend to maintain my 'subscription' to the Hawkesbury mailing list - at least for the time being. Maybe I will get an opportunity to repay in some small way for all the help I have received. My connection is through those STAFFORDs who went to Glamorgan & Breconshire. The eldest daughter of David Charles STAFFORD & Elizabeth Whiting AKERS married the eldest of my father's brothers. Because my grandfather was apparently such a tyrant some brothers left home and this SHEPHARD family was never mentioned. I never even knew my father had 7 brothers and sisters, and so my research into my own family history has tended to be very detailed - and of course quite absorbing! Leslie Shephard (& lovely wife Lorraine) Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:28 AM Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD & FERRIS family > Hi L & L (since I don't know which one you are!) > > >From the St Mary's Hawkesbury PRs > > Baptisms > No 538 Oct 31 1858 (Note all of these are listed under the same number - > it must have been a family outing!) > > Ann dau of Hannah FERRID, Upton, Spinster > Jane, dau of Edward & Ruth FERRIS, Upton, Labourer > George, son of George & Mary FERRIS, Upton, labourer > > No 19 August 11 1867 George Thomas, son of Hannah FERRIS, Spinster, > Upton > No 143 may 28 1871 Hannah Elizabeth Stafford, dau of Hannah FERRIS, > spinster, Upton > > (I think this may give you an answer!) > > Burials > No 1565 Aug 16 1882 Robert STAFFORD Plot 14D Upton Age 86 > No 1581 17 May 1883 Hannah FERRIS Upton age 54 > > Hope this helps, > Carole > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L & L.Shephard [mailto:lodnles@ozzienet.net] > Sent: 23 April 2005 09:27 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > Carol, > > Yes thanks - I do have all the census details for "my" STAFFORD family. > Many thanks for your continued interest & help. > > Dare I mention another problem? > 1861 census shows Thomas STAFFORD, widow, 39, carpenter with daughter > Sarah > G, scholar, aged 10 yrs. Also present is Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper > aged > 32 yrs and her daughter Ann S, aged 2 years. > 1871 census for Thomas STAFFORD, 49, carpenter shows Hannah FERRIS, > servant, > age 42 yrs together with boarders Annie FERRIS, 12, George FERRIS, 3, > and > Hannah E FERRIS aged 2 months. > 1881 census for Thomas STAFORD (sic) at Park Street, Hawkesbury, lists > Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper, relationship unknown, together with George > STAFFORD born abt 1868 and Hannah STAFFORD born about 1871. > > Is there a "story" here ? > Hannah FERRIS born abt 1828 is known to have had Ann S illegitimately on > 31 > Oct 1858. Is it possible to verify that both George (1867) and Hannah > (1871) although named FERRIS were actually children of Thomas STAFFORD? > I > note a death record for Hannah FERRIS 2nd qtr 1883 aged 54 years, buried > at > Hawkesbury 17 May 1883. If her death was "impending" maybe that is > why > the children were named STAFFORD in the 1881 census! > > Any comments (from anyone on this wonderful list)? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:27 AM > Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > > > > > > > Hi again Lorraine & Leslie > > Have you seen the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census entries for Robert STAFFORD > > in Glamorgan? > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Hi Carole Thanks for that information about Jane TOGHILL (1834-1892). The licensed trade was certainly in the Toghill blood - Jane's father, Thomas Toghill, was an innkeeper at Avening in 1834. Jane's uncle Stephen Toghill Jnr was innkeeper at the Horseshoe Inn, Downend in 1833. Jane's brother Edward Toghill was publican at Kingston on Thames in 1881 Jane's brother Stephen Toghill was licensed victualler at Kingston on Thames in 1851. Jane's brother Charles Toghill was servant at the home of a publican in Chippenham in 1851. Jane's brother Isaac Toghill was hotel keeper in Chiltern, Victoria, Australia in 1891 They must have liked the life. Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 April 2005 21:24 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Jane CHAPPELL formerly WATTS nee TOGHILL For all dedicated followers of this complicated family! – An Australian Will. Carole Jane CHAPPELL was born Jane TOGHILL, daughter of Thomas TOGHILL & Jane nee WATTS. . She was born about 1832 in Nailsworth, GLS..She married George WATTS on April 26 1856 at St Michael on the Mount, Bristol. George WATTS died in August 1883 at Hawkesbury. On July 6 1888 Jane WATTS nee TOGHILL married George Henry CHAPPELL, the son of George CHAPPELL and Jane nee TILLING George & Jane CHAPPELL emigrated to Australia where Jane died May 2 1892. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------- Will of Jane CHAPPELL, wife of George CHAPPELL of residence rear of Main Street, Chiltern in the Colony of Victoria., Miner. After payment of all my just debts and testamentary expenses I give devise and bequeath unto my said husband George CHAPPELL all my real and personal estate whatsoever and wheresoever situate and I hereby appoint the said George CHAPPELL the sole Executor of this my Will in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand this twentyseventh day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and ninety two. Signed by the aid Jane CHAPPELL the Testator by affixing her mark hereto and by her declared to be here last Will and Testament in the presence of us present at the same time who in her presence at he request and in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed our names as Witnesses R Hugh MONTGOMERY Occupation Clerk, Main St Chiltern Daniel SISTON Grocer Conners Street Chiltern. In the Supreme Court of the Colony of Victoria In its Probate Jurisdiction In the Will of Jane CHAPPELL late of Chiltern married Woman deceased. Affidavit – separate property Richard L CROSS Empire Buildings Collins Street, Melbourne. I George CHAPPELL of Chiltern in the Colony of Victoria Miner make oath and say as follows: 1. That I was married to the above-named deceased Jane CHAPPELL on the ninth day of July one thousand eight hundred and eighty eight at St. Mary’s Church, parish of Hawkesbury, County of Gloucester, England 2. that the said deceased was the owner of a farm which she subsequently sold and we then migrated to the Colony of Victoria 3. With the money derived from the sale of her farm the deceased purchased a Publican’s business which she carried on for some years in her own name and as her own business and not under my control 4. that the deceased also purchased allotment eight of Section R Township of Chiltern East parish of Chiltern which land is under the Transfer of land Acct 1890 and the title to which is under her own name. 5. that I have never interfered with the said deceased as regards the disposition of her property or moneys and have never during her lifetime exercised any control over her said property or money but have always regarded them as her own. G CHAPPELL Sworn at Chiltern in the Colony of Victoria this tenth day of June one thousand eight hundred and ninety two before me Edward Scott Commissioner of the Supreme Court of Victoria for taking affidavits ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ NOTE there are other Affidavits in respect of the Will of Jane CHAPPELL: Another one by George CHAPPELL similar to the above, and by Robert Hugh MONTGOMERY as Attesting Witness Probate was granted 16th June 1892. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

For all dedicated followers of this complicated family! – An Australian Will. Carole Jane CHAPPELL was born Jane TOGHILL, daughter of Thomas TOGHILL & Jane nee WATTS. . She was born about 1832 in Nailsworth, GLS..She married George WATTS on April 26 1856 at St Michael on the Mount, Bristol. George WATTS died in August 1883 at Hawkesbury. On July 6 1888 Jane WATTS nee TOGHILL married George Henry CHAPPELL, the son of George CHAPPELL and Jane nee TILLING George & Jane CHAPPELL emigrated to Australia where Jane died May 2 1892. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------- Will of Jane CHAPPELL, wife of George CHAPPELL of residence rear of Main Street, Chiltern in the Colony of Victoria., Miner. After payment of all my just debts and testamentary expenses I give devise and bequeath unto my said husband George CHAPPELL all my real and personal estate whatsoever and wheresoever situate and I hereby appoint the said George CHAPPELL the sole Executor of this my Will in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand this twentyseventh day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and ninety two. Signed by the aid Jane CHAPPELL the Testator by affixing her mark hereto and by her declared to be here last Will and Testament in the presence of us present at the same time who in her presence at he request and in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed our names as Witnesses R Hugh MONTGOMERY Occupation Clerk, Main St Chiltern Daniel SISTON Grocer Conners Street Chiltern. In the Supreme Court of the Colony of Victoria In its Probate Jurisdiction In the Will of Jane CHAPPELL late of Chiltern married Woman deceased. Affidavit – separate property Richard L CROSS Empire Buildings Collins Street, Melbourne. I George CHAPPELL of Chiltern in the Colony of Victoria Miner make oath and say as follows: 1. That I was married to the above-named deceased Jane CHAPPELL on the ninth day of July one thousand eight hundred and eighty eight at St. Mary’s Church, parish of Hawkesbury, County of Gloucester, England 2. that the said deceased was the owner of a farm which she subsequently sold and we then migrated to the Colony of Victoria 3. With the money derived from the sale of her farm the deceased purchased a Publican’s business which she carried on for some years in her own name and as her own business and not under my control 4. that the deceased also purchased allotment eight of Section R Township of Chiltern East parish of Chiltern which land is under the Transfer of land Acct 1890 and the title to which is under her own name. 5. that I have never interfered with the said deceased as regards the disposition of her property or moneys and have never during her lifetime exercised any control over her said property or money but have always regarded them as her own. G CHAPPELL Sworn at Chiltern in the Colony of Victoria this tenth day of June one thousand eight hundred and ninety two before me Edward Scott Commissioner of the Supreme Court of Victoria for taking affidavits ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ NOTE there are other Affidavits in respect of the Will of Jane CHAPPELL: Another one by George CHAPPELL similar to the above, and by Robert Hugh MONTGOMERY as Attesting Witness Probate was granted 16th June 1892. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

Hi L & L (since I don't know which one you are!) From the St Mary's Hawkesbury PRs Baptisms No 538 Oct 31 1858 (Note all of these are listed under the same number - it must have been a family outing!) Ann dau of Hannah FERRID, Upton, Spinster Jane, dau of Edward & Ruth FERRIS, Upton, Labourer George, son of George & Mary FERRIS, Upton, labourer No 19 August 11 1867 George Thomas, son of Hannah FERRIS, Spinster, Upton No 143 may 28 1871 Hannah Elizabeth Stafford, dau of Hannah FERRIS, spinster, Upton (I think this may give you an answer!) Burials No 1565 Aug 16 1882 Robert STAFFORD Plot 14D Upton Age 86 No 1581 17 May 1883 Hannah FERRIS Upton age 54 Hope this helps, Carole -----Original Message----- From: L & L.Shephard [mailto:lodnles@ozzienet.net] Sent: 23 April 2005 09:27 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family Carol, Yes thanks - I do have all the census details for "my" STAFFORD family. Many thanks for your continued interest & help. Dare I mention another problem? 1861 census shows Thomas STAFFORD, widow, 39, carpenter with daughter Sarah G, scholar, aged 10 yrs. Also present is Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper aged 32 yrs and her daughter Ann S, aged 2 years. 1871 census for Thomas STAFFORD, 49, carpenter shows Hannah FERRIS, servant, age 42 yrs together with boarders Annie FERRIS, 12, George FERRIS, 3, and Hannah E FERRIS aged 2 months. 1881 census for Thomas STAFORD (sic) at Park Street, Hawkesbury, lists Hannah FERRIS, housekeeper, relationship unknown, together with George STAFFORD born abt 1868 and Hannah STAFFORD born about 1871. Is there a "story" here ? Hannah FERRIS born abt 1828 is known to have had Ann S illegitimately on 31 Oct 1858. Is it possible to verify that both George (1867) and Hannah (1871) although named FERRIS were actually children of Thomas STAFFORD? I note a death record for Hannah FERRIS 2nd qtr 1883 aged 54 years, buried at Hawkesbury 17 May 1883. If her death was "impending" maybe that is why the children were named STAFFORD in the 1881 census! Any comments (from anyone on this wonderful list)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > > Hi again Lorraine & Leslie > Have you seen the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census entries for Robert STAFFORD > in Glamorgan? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005