Hi Nikki I'm forwarding to you off list some information from Cousin Kay that may come in useful in your search. This is his reading of the 1871 census At 65 Commercial Street Aberdare Glamorganshire (which was next door to the Mountain Ash Inn!): Thomas WATTS Head 33 Shanksbury (yet another interpretation of Hawkesbury!) Coal Miner (c 1838) Margaret WATTS Wife 27 Llanwain Monmouth Wales Dressmaker (c 1844) William C WATTS Son 4 Paddington Middlesex (c 1867) Arthur E WATTS Son 2 Mountain Ash Glamorgan (c 1869) Albert H WATTS Son 1 Mountain Ash Glamorgan (c 1870) And just to add to the glorious interpretations by transcribers of Census details (spotted by Kay) a WOOTENUADERCOFE which, on inspecting the entry, clearly was Wotton under Edge! Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Pr13inca@aol.com [mailto:Pr13inca@aol.com] Sent: 05 May 2005 15:40 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] Thomas WATTS Hi again Carole I found Thomas WATTS living in Mountain Ash with his second wife Margaret COOKE, as follows: Census 1871 65, Commercial Street, Cefn******* Mountain Ash Watts Thomas head 33 coal miner ***ksbury Gloucestershire Margaret wife 27 dressmaker Llanvair Monmouthshire William C son 4 scholar Paddington Middlesex Arthur E son 2 Mountain Ash Albert H son 10m Mountain Ash (my great g'dad) I've found no mention on John and Jane WATTS youngest son George at all - have you? I'm still wondering about George becoming Thomas?!?!?! Regards Nikki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005

Hello all It will be Robert's birthday on Saturday "21again!" I am sure everyone will want to join with me in saying Happy Returns of the Day for the 7th. I would also like to thank Robert for all of the input and knowledge he brings to our family history group. We would be lost without your continuing support. Happy Birthday Robert Catherine

Yes, happy birthday Robert Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "catherine.mcilwrick" <catherine.mcilwrick@btopenworld.com> To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Robert Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 18:58:18 +0100 > > Hello all > It will be Robert's birthday on Saturday "21again!" I am sure > everyone will want to join with me in saying Happy Returns of the > Day for the 7th. > I would also like to thank Robert for all of the input and > knowledge he brings to our family history group. > We would be lost without your continuing support. > Happy Birthday Robert > Catherine > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at > http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

Hi again Carole I found Thomas WATTS living in Mountain Ash with his second wife Margaret COOKE, as follows: Census 1871 65, Commercial Street, Cefn******* Mountain Ash Watts Thomas head 33 coal miner ***ksbury Gloucestershire Margaret wife 27 dressmaker Llanvair Monmouthshire William C son 4 scholar Paddington Middlesex Arthur E son 2 Mountain Ash Albert H son 10m Mountain Ash (my great g'dad) I've found no mention on John and Jane WATTS youngest son George at all - have you? I'm still wondering about George becoming Thomas?!?!?! Regards Nikki

Hi All Just a reminder we have a get together this Sat at the Beaufort Inn Hawkesbury Upton, I will be there at 12pm a number of us are having lunch at 12:30 all welcome. We clash with the Badminton Horse trials this year so the junction with the A46 and the link to the M4 may be busy so bring a map just incase, although the roads are busy It should not be much of a delay if there is take to the minor roads its quicker. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk

Hi Nikki I bet you were pleased to find him! If you've been looking at the Ancestry.com index I've found that WATTS is often indexed as WALTS! AS for the Oxbuary spelling - that must be another contestant in the "Weirdest spelling of Hawkesbury" contest that was running some while back. Have you found Thomas/George on the 1871 census? I wondered whether there were any more clues on that. Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Pr13inca@aol.com [mailto:Pr13inca@aol.com] Sent: 04 May 2005 13:04 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Thomas WATTS Hi Carole and other WATTS fanactics, Managed to find Thomas WATTS (or George WATTS) in the 1861 census. He threw me at first cos his surname is mispelt! He's living in Monmouthshire as follows: Census 1861 Nantybanna, Llantrissent Monmouthshire ROBERTS William head 41 farmer Shire Newton Monmouth Mary wife 38 Bishton Monmouth Richard son 11 Llantrissent Monmouth Ann dau 9 Llantrissent Mary dau 7 Llantrissent Hannah dau 5 Llantrissent William son 3 Llantrissent Nicolas son 2 Llantrissent JENKINS Eliza visitor 34 Penhow WILLIAM William cousin 51 Pantague DAVIES Jane serv 19 Gwernesney PARRY James serv 22 Newchurch WATS Thomas serv 26 Oxbuary Gloucestershire It doesn't give any concrete evidence for Thomas being George (son of John and Jane WATTS). I'll probably never know for certain. At least I can concentrate on marriages between Thomas WATTS and ? to try and work out William Constant WATTS bc 1866 place of birth! Best wishes Nikki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005

Hi Robert, Adding to your children of John and Diana WATTS, from Parish Record for Great Badminton, are: Sarah WATTS c 22 Jul 1804 Great Badminton Nathaniel WATTS b 10 Feb 1806, c 21 Jun 1807 Great Badminton Hannah "Fanny" WATTS c 10 Sep 1809 Great Badminton John WATTS c 3 May 1812 Great Badminton Cheers, Ronda WICKS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Millard" <ra.millard@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:19 AM Subject: [HWK] WATTS & GINGELL > Hi Carole. > Do you mean Thomas GINGELL married Elizabeth HODGES? > Thomas GINGELL's daughter Mary had a brother Isaac bap 1805 he married > Elizabeth SLADE they lived at Oldbury on the Hill after they had 7 children > Isaac died Apr 1837 Elizabeth now GINGELL married Isaac CHAPPELL my 3x great > grandfather his second wife. My grandfather Ernest CHAPPELL first married > Maud GINGELL of Hawkesbury. > something I did about a year ago another WATTS / GINGELL connection > regards > Robert > WILLIAM WATTS > > Marriages: > Spouse: JANE GINGELL Marriage: 16 DEC 1849 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, > England > > WILLIAM WATTS > > Christening: 20 APR 1800 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > > Parents: > Father: JOHN WATTS Mother: DIANA (Brooks) > > John Watts > Birth: About 1773 Of, Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England > Marriages: > Spouse: Diana Brooks Marriage: 29 MAY 1798 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, > England > > JOHN WATTS > Christening: 30 APR 1779 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > > Parents: > Father: NATHANIEL WATTS > Mother: LUCY > > > > NATHANIEL WATTS > Marriages: > Spouse: LUCY LONG > Marriage: 12 AUG 1776 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > > THOMAS WATTS > Christening: 14 SEP 1777 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > Parents: > Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Family > Mother: LUCY > > JAMES WATTS > Christening: 25 DEC 1788 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Family > Mother: LUCY > > JOSEPH WATTS > Christening: 17 JUN 1792 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > Parents: > Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Family > Mother: LUCY > > NATHANIEL WATTS > Christening: 22 FEB 1795 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > Parents: > Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Family > Mother: LUCY > > > > > WILLIAM WATTS > Christening: 20 APR 1800 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > Parents: > Father: JOHN WATTS Family > Mother: DIANA > > ELIZABETH WATTS > Christening: 29 APR 1798 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > Father: JOHN WATTS Family > Mother: DIANA > > ELIZA WATTS > Christening: 11 JUL 1802 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England > Parents: > Father: JOHN WATTS Family > Mother: DIANA > > > Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:23 PM > Subject: [HWK] WATTS & GINGELL > > > > Hi All > > Is anyone connected to the GINGELL family please? I’m trying to work out > > some marriages between the WATTS & GINGELL families and would appreciate > > any confirmation or corrections that you can offer. > > > > This is the story as I understand it so far! > > > > William GINGELL & Elizabeth HODGES.(married 1804 at Hawkesbury).had > > several children including Mary bapt 1808 and Jane bapt 1819. > > > > Mary GINGELL (bapt 1808) had an illegitimate daughter Elizabeth GINGELL > > (bapt 1844) > > > > Elizabeth GINGELL (bapt 1844) married Richard WATTS (born abt 1847 – > > Great Badminton), the son of William WATTS & Hester LONG. > > > > Hester WATTS nee LONG died in 1847 and in 1849 William WATTS married > > Jane GINGELL (bapt 1819) at Hawkesbury.. > > > > On the 1861 census William & Jane WATTS and family are at Withy Moor, Gt > > Badminton; With them is Elizabeth GINGELL, Visitor, Unmarried 17 born > > Hawkesbury. > > > >>From the 1871 Census at Acton Turville: > > Richard WATTS Head aged 28 M Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1843) > > Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 27 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1844) > > Ada Emily WATTS dau aged 1 Acton Turville (c 1870) > > Mary WATTS aged 4 dau Acton Turville (c 1867) > > Sarah Jane WATTS dau aged 7 Acton Turville (c 1864) > > > > And next door > > William WATTS Head aged 70 Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1801) > > Jane WATTS Wife aged 50 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1821) > > Elizabeth WATTS dau aged 21S Didmarton Labourer (c 1850) > > John WATTS son aged 12 Didmarton (c 1859) > > Henry WATTS gr son aged 3 Acton Turville (c 1868) > > > >>From the 1881 Census at Acton Turville: > > Richard WATTS Head aged 40 Badminton (c 1841) > > Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 39 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1842) > > Ada E WATTS dau 11 Acton Turville (c 1870) > > Mary WATTS dau 15 Acton Turville (c 1866) > > Ellen WATTS dau 6 Acton Turville (c 1875) > > Hester A WATTS dau 3 Acton Turville (c 1878) > > William R WATTS son 3mths Acton Turville (c 1881) > > Also with the family were: > > Jane WATTS Step Mother 65 Widow Hawkesbury Upton (c 1816) > > John WATTS Brother in Law 23 S Badminton. > > > > Complicated??? > > > > My thanks go to Cousin Kay for tracking these families through the > > censuses and helping me identify who some of these folk were. > > > > If you have any connection to these families please let me know. > > > > Cheers > > Carole > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005 > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > > Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and > > then Sun 16th July. 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Hi Carole. Do you mean Thomas GINGELL married Elizabeth HODGES? Thomas GINGELL's daughter Mary had a brother Isaac bap 1805 he married Elizabeth SLADE they lived at Oldbury on the Hill after they had 7 children Isaac died Apr 1837 Elizabeth now GINGELL married Isaac CHAPPELL my 3x great grandfather his second wife. My grandfather Ernest CHAPPELL first married Maud GINGELL of Hawkesbury. something I did about a year ago another WATTS / GINGELL connection regards Robert WILLIAM WATTS Marriages: Spouse: JANE GINGELL Marriage: 16 DEC 1849 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England WILLIAM WATTS Christening: 20 APR 1800 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Parents: Father: JOHN WATTS Mother: DIANA (Brooks) John Watts Birth: About 1773 Of, Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England Marriages: Spouse: Diana Brooks Marriage: 29 MAY 1798 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England JOHN WATTS Christening: 30 APR 1779 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Parents: Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Mother: LUCY NATHANIEL WATTS Marriages: Spouse: LUCY LONG Marriage: 12 AUG 1776 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England THOMAS WATTS Christening: 14 SEP 1777 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Parents: Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Family Mother: LUCY JAMES WATTS Christening: 25 DEC 1788 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Family Mother: LUCY JOSEPH WATTS Christening: 17 JUN 1792 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Parents: Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Family Mother: LUCY NATHANIEL WATTS Christening: 22 FEB 1795 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Parents: Father: NATHANIEL WATTS Family Mother: LUCY WILLIAM WATTS Christening: 20 APR 1800 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Parents: Father: JOHN WATTS Family Mother: DIANA ELIZABETH WATTS Christening: 29 APR 1798 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Father: JOHN WATTS Family Mother: DIANA ELIZA WATTS Christening: 11 JUL 1802 Great Badminton, Gloucester, England Parents: Father: JOHN WATTS Family Mother: DIANA Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: [HWK] WATTS & GINGELL > Hi All > Is anyone connected to the GINGELL family please? I’m trying to work out > some marriages between the WATTS & GINGELL families and would appreciate > any confirmation or corrections that you can offer. > > This is the story as I understand it so far! > > William GINGELL & Elizabeth HODGES.(married 1804 at Hawkesbury).had > several children including Mary bapt 1808 and Jane bapt 1819. > > Mary GINGELL (bapt 1808) had an illegitimate daughter Elizabeth GINGELL > (bapt 1844) > > Elizabeth GINGELL (bapt 1844) married Richard WATTS (born abt 1847 – > Great Badminton), the son of William WATTS & Hester LONG. > > Hester WATTS nee LONG died in 1847 and in 1849 William WATTS married > Jane GINGELL (bapt 1819) at Hawkesbury.. > > On the 1861 census William & Jane WATTS and family are at Withy Moor, Gt > Badminton; With them is Elizabeth GINGELL, Visitor, Unmarried 17 born > Hawkesbury. > >>From the 1871 Census at Acton Turville: > Richard WATTS Head aged 28 M Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1843) > Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 27 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1844) > Ada Emily WATTS dau aged 1 Acton Turville (c 1870) > Mary WATTS aged 4 dau Acton Turville (c 1867) > Sarah Jane WATTS dau aged 7 Acton Turville (c 1864) > > And next door > William WATTS Head aged 70 Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1801) > Jane WATTS Wife aged 50 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1821) > Elizabeth WATTS dau aged 21S Didmarton Labourer (c 1850) > John WATTS son aged 12 Didmarton (c 1859) > Henry WATTS gr son aged 3 Acton Turville (c 1868) > >>From the 1881 Census at Acton Turville: > Richard WATTS Head aged 40 Badminton (c 1841) > Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 39 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1842) > Ada E WATTS dau 11 Acton Turville (c 1870) > Mary WATTS dau 15 Acton Turville (c 1866) > Ellen WATTS dau 6 Acton Turville (c 1875) > Hester A WATTS dau 3 Acton Turville (c 1878) > William R WATTS son 3mths Acton Turville (c 1881) > Also with the family were: > Jane WATTS Step Mother 65 Widow Hawkesbury Upton (c 1816) > John WATTS Brother in Law 23 S Badminton. > > Complicated??? > > My thanks go to Cousin Kay for tracking these families through the > censuses and helping me identify who some of these folk were. > > If you have any connection to these families please let me know. > > Cheers > Carole > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and > then Sun 16th July. 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Hi List I'd be interested in this - but not in hosting it - not techie minded enough (having enough trouble trying to work out what bits I need to connect sons putor to web via my bb connection - router? I card? 2 cards?) Lisa

Hi Carole and other WATTS fanactics, Managed to find Thomas WATTS (or George WATTS) in the 1861 census. He threw me at first cos his surname is mispelt! He's living in Monmouthshire as follows: Census 1861 Nantybanna, Llantrissent Monmouthshire ROBERTS William head 41 farmer Shire Newton Monmouth Mary wife 38 Bishton Monmouth Richard son 11 Llantrissent Monmouth Ann dau 9 Llantrissent Mary dau 7 Llantrissent Hannah dau 5 Llantrissent William son 3 Llantrissent Nicolas son 2 Llantrissent JENKINS Eliza visitor 34 Penhow WILLIAM William cousin 51 Pantague DAVIES Jane serv 19 Gwernesney PARRY James serv 22 Newchurch WATS Thomas serv 26 Oxbuary Gloucestershire It doesn't give any concrete evidence for Thomas being George (son of John and Jane WATTS). I'll probably never know for certain. At least I can concentrate on marriages between Thomas WATTS and ? to try and work out William Constant WATTS bc 1866 place of birth! Best wishes Nikki

Ronda, Have you seen these? http://home.freeuk.net/ray.wilson/mills/ http://home.clara.net/clempson/index.htm There are a couple of good books on Mills in Gloucestershire, which I do not have, unfortunately. Even worse, I can't remember the author's names! My interest is with the milling trade (cereals) rather than woollen goods. Good luck with your new project! Carole -----Original Message----- From: Ronda Wicks [mailto:r.wicks@cabletv.on.ca] Sent: 03 May 2005 23:28 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Clothier Families Me again! :) I have searched the Internet and have not found any website that specifically focuses on clothier families in Glos and Wilts such as there are about Brewers / Malsters & Pubs, Churches and Workhouses, etc. Since the clothing industry was quite prominent, I would like to begin a website that takes up this task. If you have a clothier family and / or materials that background the clothing industry or area mills, etc. would you please send it my way? As soon as I have a site established I will publish the URL. :) Thanks, Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: [HWK] WATTS & GINGELL > Hi All > Is anyone connected to the GINGELL family please? I’m trying to work out > some marriages between the WATTS & GINGELL families and would appreciate > any confirmation or corrections that you can offer. > > This is the story as I understand it so far! > > William GINGELL & Elizabeth HODGES.(married 1804 at Hawkesbury).had > several children including Mary bapt 1808 and Jane bapt 1819. > > Mary GINGELL (bapt 1808) had an illegitimate daughter Elizabeth GINGELL > (bapt 1844) > > Elizabeth GINGELL (bapt 1844) married Richard WATTS (born abt 1847 – > Great Badminton), the son of William WATTS & Hester LONG. > > Hester WATTS nee LONG died in 1847 and in 1849 William WATTS married > Jane GINGELL (bapt 1819) at Hawkesbury.. > > On the 1861 census William & Jane WATTS and family are at Withy Moor, Gt > Badminton; With them is Elizabeth GINGELL, Visitor, Unmarried 17 born > Hawkesbury. > > >From the 1871 Census at Acton Turville: > Richard WATTS Head aged 28 M Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1843) > Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 27 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1844) > Ada Emily WATTS dau aged 1 Acton Turville (c 1870) > Mary WATTS aged 4 dau Acton Turville (c 1867) > Sarah Jane WATTS dau aged 7 Acton Turville (c 1864) > > And next door > William WATTS Head aged 70 Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1801) > Jane WATTS Wife aged 50 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1821) > Elizabeth WATTS dau aged 21S Didmarton Labourer (c 1850) > John WATTS son aged 12 Didmarton (c 1859) > Henry WATTS gr son aged 3 Acton Turville (c 1868) > > >From the 1881 Census at Acton Turville: > Richard WATTS Head aged 40 Badminton (c 1841) > Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 39 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1842) > Ada E WATTS dau 11 Acton Turville (c 1870) > Mary WATTS dau 15 Acton Turville (c 1866) > Ellen WATTS dau 6 Acton Turville (c 1875) > Hester A WATTS dau 3 Acton Turville (c 1878) > William R WATTS son 3mths Acton Turville (c 1881) > Also with the family were: > Jane WATTS Step Mother 65 Widow Hawkesbury Upton (c 1816) > John WATTS Brother in Law 23 S Badminton. > > Complicated??? > > My thanks go to Cousin Kay for tracking these families through the > censuses and helping me identify who some of these folk were. > > If you have any connection to these families please let me know. > > Cheers > Carole > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/05 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Good idea Ronda I have room and am willing to host it. See sample: www.easywell.co.uk/chat Dave Hedges Hi List, I have been watching this list and the Tetbury list for a few weeks now while contemplating a way to get ahead of confusion with all of these data crossovers in these linking families of ours and I'm looking for responses to an idea that any one of us with a website can carry out. Do you think it would be easier to sort out some of these interconnected families if those working on them could meet in a real time chat room connected to one of our sites? I know parachat has a nice, simple and free interface available as an example. The website owner could post a schedule of times for various surname discussions and we could sort of meet "round-table" to throw ideas back and forth, discuss data conflicts, etc. i.e. WATTS / GINGELL might meet at Time A WATTS / LONG at Time B, etc. Same for STINCHCOMBE, WARN, FRANCOMBE, WITCHELL, FRY etc etc What do you think and ... if there is a positive response, does anyone volunteer to host it? Ronda WICKS

Hi All Is anyone connected to the GINGELL family please? I’m trying to work out some marriages between the WATTS & GINGELL families and would appreciate any confirmation or corrections that you can offer. This is the story as I understand it so far! William GINGELL & Elizabeth HODGES.(married 1804 at Hawkesbury).had several children including Mary bapt 1808 and Jane bapt 1819. Mary GINGELL (bapt 1808) had an illegitimate daughter Elizabeth GINGELL (bapt 1844) Elizabeth GINGELL (bapt 1844) married Richard WATTS (born abt 1847 – Great Badminton), the son of William WATTS & Hester LONG. Hester WATTS nee LONG died in 1847 and in 1849 William WATTS married Jane GINGELL (bapt 1819) at Hawkesbury.. On the 1861 census William & Jane WATTS and family are at Withy Moor, Gt Badminton; With them is Elizabeth GINGELL, Visitor, Unmarried 17 born Hawkesbury. From the 1871 Census at Acton Turville: Richard WATTS Head aged 28 M Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1843) Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 27 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1844) Ada Emily WATTS dau aged 1 Acton Turville (c 1870) Mary WATTS aged 4 dau Acton Turville (c 1867) Sarah Jane WATTS dau aged 7 Acton Turville (c 1864) And next door William WATTS Head aged 70 Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1801) Jane WATTS Wife aged 50 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1821) Elizabeth WATTS dau aged 21S Didmarton Labourer (c 1850) John WATTS son aged 12 Didmarton (c 1859) Henry WATTS gr son aged 3 Acton Turville (c 1868) From the 1881 Census at Acton Turville: Richard WATTS Head aged 40 Badminton (c 1841) Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 39 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1842) Ada E WATTS dau 11 Acton Turville (c 1870) Mary WATTS dau 15 Acton Turville (c 1866) Ellen WATTS dau 6 Acton Turville (c 1875) Hester A WATTS dau 3 Acton Turville (c 1878) William R WATTS son 3mths Acton Turville (c 1881) Also with the family were: Jane WATTS Step Mother 65 Widow Hawkesbury Upton (c 1816) John WATTS Brother in Law 23 S Badminton. Complicated??? My thanks go to Cousin Kay for tracking these families through the censuses and helping me identify who some of these folk were. If you have any connection to these families please let me know. Cheers Carole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005

Me again! :) I have searched the Internet and have not found any website that specifically focuses on clothier families in Glos and Wilts such as there are about Brewers / Malsters & Pubs, Churches and Workhouses, etc. Since the clothing industry was quite prominent, I would like to begin a website that takes up this task. If you have a clothier family and / or materials that background the clothing industry or area mills, etc. would you please send it my way? As soon as I have a site established I will publish the URL. :) Thanks, Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: [HWK] WATTS & GINGELL > Hi All > Is anyone connected to the GINGELL family please? I’m trying to work out > some marriages between the WATTS & GINGELL families and would appreciate > any confirmation or corrections that you can offer. > > This is the story as I understand it so far! > > William GINGELL & Elizabeth HODGES.(married 1804 at Hawkesbury).had > several children including Mary bapt 1808 and Jane bapt 1819. > > Mary GINGELL (bapt 1808) had an illegitimate daughter Elizabeth GINGELL > (bapt 1844) > > Elizabeth GINGELL (bapt 1844) married Richard WATTS (born abt 1847 – > Great Badminton), the son of William WATTS & Hester LONG. > > Hester WATTS nee LONG died in 1847 and in 1849 William WATTS married > Jane GINGELL (bapt 1819) at Hawkesbury.. > > On the 1861 census William & Jane WATTS and family are at Withy Moor, Gt > Badminton; With them is Elizabeth GINGELL, Visitor, Unmarried 17 born > Hawkesbury. > > >From the 1871 Census at Acton Turville: > Richard WATTS Head aged 28 M Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1843) > Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 27 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1844) > Ada Emily WATTS dau aged 1 Acton Turville (c 1870) > Mary WATTS aged 4 dau Acton Turville (c 1867) > Sarah Jane WATTS dau aged 7 Acton Turville (c 1864) > > And next door > William WATTS Head aged 70 Badminton Farm Labourer (c 1801) > Jane WATTS Wife aged 50 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1821) > Elizabeth WATTS dau aged 21S Didmarton Labourer (c 1850) > John WATTS son aged 12 Didmarton (c 1859) > Henry WATTS gr son aged 3 Acton Turville (c 1868) > > >From the 1881 Census at Acton Turville: > Richard WATTS Head aged 40 Badminton (c 1841) > Elizabeth WATTS Wife aged 39 Hawkesbury Upton (c 1842) > Ada E WATTS dau 11 Acton Turville (c 1870) > Mary WATTS dau 15 Acton Turville (c 1866) > Ellen WATTS dau 6 Acton Turville (c 1875) > Hester A WATTS dau 3 Acton Turville (c 1878) > William R WATTS son 3mths Acton Turville (c 1881) > Also with the family were: > Jane WATTS Step Mother 65 Widow Hawkesbury Upton (c 1816) > John WATTS Brother in Law 23 S Badminton. > > Complicated??? > > My thanks go to Cousin Kay for tracking these families through the > censuses and helping me identify who some of these folk were. > > If you have any connection to these families please let me know. > > Cheers > Carole > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/05

Hi List, I have been watching this list and the Tetbury list for a few weeks now while contemplating a way to get ahead of confusion with all of these data crossovers in these linking families of ours and I'm looking for responses to an idea that any one of us with a website can carry out. Do you think it would be easier to sort out some of these interconnected families if those working on them could meet in a real time chat room connected to one of our sites? I know parachat has a nice, simple and free interface available as an example. The website owner could post a schedule of times for various surname discussions and we could sort of meet "round-table" to throw ideas back and forth, discuss data conflicts, etc. i.e. WATTS / GINGELL might meet at Time A WATTS / LONG at Time B, etc. Same for STINCHCOMBE, WARN, FRANCOMBE, WITCHELL, FRY etc etc What do you think and ... if there is a positive response, does anyone volunteer to host it? Ronda WICKS Researching: WICKS / WATTS / WITCHELL / FRY / DANCEY / KING / SQUIRES / WICKS alies DAVI(E)S / ALAND / CAM / BROOKS / NEWMAN / RICE in Glos and Wilts -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/05

Hi Sue, Sorry I can't help you with these - the fiche that I have do not start until 1730. Best of luck! Carole -----Original Message----- From: SSiss165@aol.com [mailto:SSiss165@aol.com] Sent: 02 May 2005 21:40 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Hawkesbury Marriages Aaaaggggghhh!!! Hello all, First may I say what an excellent job Lisa has done transcribing these marriages. Well done Lisa. As a result I now have 3 problems, or rather unidentified persons. Is there anyone with easy access to the Hawkesbury registers who could look up 3 entries for me to see if there is any additional information given, e.g. widower, otp of xyz, etc. I am totally in the dark re: Jouen EDWAL & Thomas DREUER m. 13.4.1640 Sarah EDWALS & Thomas DAVIS m. 7.5.1647 also Richard EDWEL & An HORWOOD m. 27.12.1640 I suspect all three of being children of Richard Eddolls of Didmarton who died in 1650. Richard was the son of Thomas IDOLLS & Agnis HEAVEN. Any offers or additional information gratefully received. Regards Sue Sissons ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005

At 21:40 02/05/2005, you wrote: >Hello all, > >First may I say what an excellent job Lisa has done transcribing these >marriages. Well done Lisa. > >As a result I now have 3 problems, or rather unidentified persons. Is there >anyone with easy access to the Hawkesbury registers who could look up 3 >entries for me to see if there is any additional information given, >e.g. widower, >otp of xyz, etc. > >I am totally in the dark re: > >Jouen EDWAL & Thomas DREUER m. 13.4.1640 >Sarah EDWALS & Thomas DAVIS m. 7.5.1647 > >also > >Richard EDWEL & An HORWOOD m. 27.12.1640 > >I suspect all three of being children of Richard Eddolls of Didmarton who >died in 1650. Richard was the son of Thomas IDOLLS & Agnis HEAVEN. > >Any offers or additional information gratefully received. > >Regards > >Sue Sissons > Hi Sue, In the Phillimore 17 Marriages vols, there is no further information in his transcription for Hawkesbury, at this time, any way,he uses the bbreviatiopns b. for bachelor, s. for spinster, p. for parish and w. for widow/er The only extra is an odd alias which is often a mark of bastardy, but not always. So those entries are just that. Sorry. Phil.

Better not say that Doug - they might have been related to you - or to me - and that would be a bit embarrassing! Should have gone to Specsavers! Lisa

Well done Lisa!! Here is the Latin translation! "Due to the disease and weakness of my eyes at present and the negligence of the wardens all the names for the two preceding years, namely 1606 and 1607, are not written down. T.H. vicar." Blame those wardens! Who were they? Name them and shame them I say! Doug

HI Robert It looks really good! I would love to know what the Latin bit at the top is all about - I did try a few online translators but couldn't work it out. Any thoughts anyone? Regards Lisa