Hi Louise, I think that Bob Lawrence may be able to help you with your family - he has some information on the descendants of Moses TOGHILL b 1814 in his family file. This link may connect you http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=roblawr&surn ame=T If not, I'm sure that Bob will reply to your message before too long! Unfortunately I have been unable to make a connection between the TOGHILL's that I have and yours, but I am sure that they all link up somewhere. Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Hawker41forest@aol.com [mailto:Hawker41forest@aol.com] Sent: 16 May 2005 20:52 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] TOGHILL FAMILY. Hi Carole, You are my first contact Yippee,all I know about the foundling is from family chat (grandmother) apparrently a baby boy was found by a farmer and given the name Toghill wether it was the farmers name or the place TOGHILL I don't know, my father was Henry George born 1898 at Corsham, his father was William 1871 Cold Ashton, his father was George1841 Cold Ashton,his father was Moses 1814 Cold Ashton, his father was the enigma George, I also heard that George was married twice 1 Mary Snailum 2 Mary Davis Cheers Louise ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005

Yes Vyv SETTLEMENT EXAM - HAWKESBURY 26/4/1743 at Gloucester Record Office ref P170 OV 5/1/18 Notes made from it: William Thompson now residing at Hawkesbury Upton, born at Acton Turville and lived there with his parents until 12 years old, then apprenticed to William Hardin of Great Badminton, Cordwainer and served 5 3/4 years then went to Hawkesbury Upton and set up his trade and in 1735 was married at Horton to Elizabeth Allen and his 3 children William 6, Martha 5 and Giles 3. The settlement was allowed. Doug on 16/5/05 9:24 pm, VyvScawen@aol.com at VyvScawen@aol.com wrote: > Hi Doug > > Thank you for the explanation about the "Settlement Examination". Is there a > copy of the one relating to William Thompson anywhere? > Best Wishes > Vyv

Hello Vyv In the days of the Poor Law, each person was attached to the parish of their birth. If they became destitute the parish had to provide for them. If you wanted to live somewhere else you had to apply to become a member of that parish. You then had a "Settlement Examination" before the local poor law commissioners. This was a type of interview which was recorded. You would not be accepted unless it looked like you were going to be able to provide for yourself. If you became destitute and had not been granted a settlement you would be "removed" - sent back to your parish of origin. That's roughly right anyway. I don't claim to be correct in every detail! best wishes Doug on 16/5/05 8:25 pm, VyvScawen@aol.com at VyvScawen@aol.com wrote: > Hi Doug > > Please could you explain what the 'settlement exam in 1743' is, that you > refered to in your details about William THOMPSON. > Many thanks > Vyv >

Hello Louise, I don't have any records for George TOGHILL (apart from knowing that he married Mary DAVIS 2 March 1811 at Marshfield)but I do have quite a bit on other TOGHILL family members. If you would like to share some more of your family information I may be able to link it with my own. By the way, what is the story of the Foundling?? Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Hawker41forest@aol.com [mailto:Hawker41forest@aol.com] Sent: 16 May 2005 20:17 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL FAMILY. Hello everyone, My name is Louise Hawker nee Toghill, I am fairly new to research but old in years!! I want to leave a record for my G.Grandchildren, I have found some ancestors in Cold Ashton and Marshfield, I have got to my GGG G/father George Toghill born around 1790 married to Mary Davis 1811 there the trail runs out he doesn't seem to have parents, I have heard the story of the FOUNDLING with my luck I'll bet it is him. Wondering where to look next, Louise. ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005

Hi Nikki I can solve part of your problem! Anna PRITCHARD did marry the 2 brothers, George & Alexander. First marriage to George WATTS at Marshfield From the marriage cert: Page 1 No 1 Marshfield July 4 1837 George WATTS 31 Farmer of Berkeley, son of Alexander Watts Farmer & Anna Pritchard 30 Dau of deceased farmer of Marshfield Father Isaac Pritchard, Farmer Witnesses James Pritchard & Louisa BOWSHER. George WATTS died at Wick, Berkeley and was buried at Hawkesbury Aug 20 1847. Hawkesbury St Mary's PR: No 854 1847 George WATTS Wick nr Berkeley Aug 20 age 40 Anna married Alexander WATTS December Qtr 1851 in Bristol. GRO Bristol 11 263. I don't have this certificate. George & Alexander WATTS were sons of Alexander WATTS and his wife Sarah (surname n/k) George & Alexander had a sister Sarah who married James PRITCHARD May 12 1835 at Berkeley. James PRITCHARD was the brother of Anna PRITCHARD; their parents were Isaac PRITCHARD and his wife Anna (surname n/k). There were a number of marriages between the WATTS & PRITCHARD family! You already know that Jane PRITCHARD (another child of Isaac PRITCHARD) married John WATTS the butcher! Yet another complicated intermarrying family! Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Pr13inca@aol.com [mailto:Pr13inca@aol.com] Sent: 16 May 2005 16:24 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Anna Pritchard Hi Carole, Can you clear up my problem? Anna PRITCHARD daughter of Isaac and Anna PRITCHARD married George WATTS son of Alexander and Jane WATTS on 10 May 1810. After George died did she marry again as I have a Anna WATTS (53) wife of Alexander WATTS (48) in the 1861 census with Thomas PRITCHARD (58) as brother in law to Alexander. Do you know when this marriage took place and who is Alexander the son of? Many thanks Nikki -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005

Hello Anne Mars it is! They landed about 1700, shed their green skins and moved to Hawkesbury. More seriously, I have two THOMPSON lines. William THOMPSON moved into Hawkesbury about 1735 with his settlement exam in 1743. He was baptised 1703 at Acton Turville where his parents were William and Mary TOMSON. They baptised 2 other children at A. T., Mary in 1702 and John in 1706. It's possible (even likely!) that William and Mary were the pair married in Luckington in Feb 1701/2. (William TOMSON of Sherston Magna and Mary WARE) Your THOMPSON line goes back to James TOMSON who seems to have arrived in Hawkesbury just before 1740, already married to Mary. Since they arrived about the same time, it's possible William and James were brothers. James was born about 1718 so could easily have been a child of William and Mary. They may have moved from A. T. and baptised him elsewhere. But that's total speculation. There were numerous THOMPSONs in the nearby villages of Wiltshire at the time and some in Tetbury. Regards Doug Thompson

Hi Doug Thank you very much for the information relating to the Settlement Exam for William THOMPSON. Best Wishes Vyv

Hi Doug Thank you for the explanation about the "Settlement Examination". Is there a copy of the one relating to William Thompson anywhere? Best Wishes Vyv

Hi Carole, You are my first contact Yippee,all I know about the foundling is from family chat (grandmother) apparrently a baby boy was found by a farmer and given the name Toghill wether it was the farmers name or the place TOGHILL I don't know, my father was Henry George born 1898 at Corsham, his father was William 1871 Cold Ashton, his father was George1841 Cold Ashton,his father was Moses 1814 Cold Ashton, his father was the enigma George, I also heard that George was married twice 1 Mary Snailum 2 Mary Davis Cheers Louise

Hi Doug Please could you explain what the 'settlement exam in 1743' is, that you refered to in your details about William THOMPSON. Many thanks Vyv

Hello everyone, My name is Louise Hawker nee Toghill, I am fairly new to research but old in years!! I want to leave a record for my G.Grandchildren, I have found some ancestors in Cold Ashton and Marshfield, I have got to my GGG G/father George Toghill born around 1790 married to Mary Davis 1811 there the trail runs out he doesn't seem to have parents, I have heard the story of the FOUNDLING with my luck I'll bet it is him. Wondering where to look next, Louise.

Hi Carole, Can you clear up my problem? Anna PRITCHARD daughter of Isaac and Anna PRITCHARD married George WATTS son of Alexander and Jane WATTS on 10 May 1810. After George died did she marry again as I have a Anna WATTS (53) wife of Alexander WATTS (48) in the 1861 census with Thomas PRITCHARD (58) as brother in law to Alexander. Do you know when this marriage took place and who is Alexander the son of? Many thanks Nikki

What wonderful 'stuff' the archives are yielding to Sue & co. Thank you so much. On the question of where/when some of these families originated .. has anyone yet found a clue to the THOMPSON origins? As far as I can ascertain they arrived from Mars circa early 1700s!!! Then we get back to 'son of Thomas' and 'tombstone' and early language variants. When I get time I'll see what I can check re army and movement after conflict but really don't have access to relevant archival material. Will keep looking. Anne Maye. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Hi Sue, I take it you have the EDWOLDES in the 1522 survey? If not I'll send them on. Carole -----Original Message----- From: SSiss165@aol.com [mailto:SSiss165@aol.com] Sent: 15 May 2005 08:38 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] 1545 Subsidy for Grumbalds Ash Hi Carole, In 1522 the IDOLLS were lurking under the EDWOLDES name variant. They are suitably installed in Oldbury on the Hill. There don't seem to be any other IDOLLS anywhere in the county so goodness knows where or when they arrived in Oldbury. Sue -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005

Hi Sue Very interesting!! I had a look at the Gloucestershire Military Survey 1522 in the hope of identifying some of the individuals you've listed. To my surprise there wasn't a single IDDOLL (any variation, or EDDOLL) in the Index. I found the following: (* = fit or able to undertake military service) Hawkesbury *John LONGDENE jun £6 Bow & bill John LONGDENE sen £7 sllaet & bill William LONGDENE £16 brigandine, sallet & bill *Nicholas LONGDENE £20 harness for a man William HOLBOROWE £3 sallet Joan HOLBOROW wid 20s John HOLBOROWE £10 brigandine Robert HARDYNG £12 sallet, gorge, splints & bill *John HARDYNG £8 sallet bow and arrows Thomas WATTES chaplain, has in stipend 66s 8d Nicholas WATTES 66s 8d Chipping Sodbury John WATTES 30s Edith WATTES wid 20s Robert BOYS £4 bill Littleton upon Severn *Robert BOYES £10 brigandines & sallet Henbury John BOYES £4 Charlton *John WATTES 40s Tewkesbury *Thomas BOYS £13 6s 8d Roger BOYS chaplain (for) his stipend £5 6s 8d NB This list does not include all the entries for each name 9aprt from BOYS) I have included only those in the area covered by Sue's list Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: SSiss165@aol.com [mailto:SSiss165@aol.com] Sent: 14 May 2005 17:20 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] 1545 Subsidy for Grumbalds Ash A few snippets which may be of interest to anyone researching BOOY, HARDING, HOLBOROW, IDOLLS, LONGDEN, VENN & WATTS. Sue Sissons Hemel Hempstead National Archive ref: E179/114/265 1545 subsidy roll for Grumbalds Ash Very faded - Hawkesbury Upton, Didmarton and most of Oldbury are unreadable. Haven't yet got to grips with the handwriting but a quick struggle(!!!) has revealed one or two names of possible interest. Where I am not 100% certain of the name I have placed a ?. Kilcott John IDOLLS in bond William LONGDEN in bond John? LONGDEN in bond ??? VENE in bond ................... and others Little Badminton John HOLBOROWE in bond Henry? HOLBOROWE in bond Wyllm HOLBOROWE in bond ................... and others Oldbury on the Hill largely unreadable but.. John WATTS?? in bond - Carole, I'm not 100% certain on this one Richard HARDYNGE in bond ................... and others Alderley Johan WATTE wid in bond ................... and others Littleton upon Severn John BOYES in bond Robert BOYES in bond ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005

Hi Carole, In 1522 the IDOLLS were lurking under the EDWOLDES name variant. They are suitably installed in Oldbury on the Hill. There don't seem to be any other IDOLLS anywhere in the county so goodness knows where or when they arrived in Oldbury. Sue

A few snippets which may be of interest to anyone researching BOOY, HARDING, HOLBOROW, IDOLLS, LONGDEN, VENN & WATTS. Sue Sissons Hemel Hempstead National Archive ref: E179/114/265 1545 subsidy roll for Grumbalds Ash Very faded - Hawkesbury Upton, Didmarton and most of Oldbury are unreadable. Haven't yet got to grips with the handwriting but a quick struggle(!!!) has revealed one or two names of possible interest. Where I am not 100% certain of the name I have placed a ?. Kilcott John IDOLLS in bond William LONGDEN in bond John? LONGDEN in bond ??? VENE in bond ................... and others Little Badminton John HOLBOROWE in bond Henry? HOLBOROWE in bond Wyllm HOLBOROWE in bond ................... and others Oldbury on the Hill largely unreadable but.. John WATTS?? in bond - Carole, I'm not 100% certain on this one Richard HARDYNGE in bond ................... and others Alderley Johan WATTE wid in bond ................... and others Littleton upon Severn John BOYES in bond Robert BOYES in bond

Thanks Brian I'll go along with that for the time being and call it a good working hypothesis! Doug on 11/5/05 7:21 am, BRIAN MORGAN at brian.morgan9@btinternet.com wrote: > There is as yet no proof positive that the two Williams are the same but by > the occurance of this surname, by elimination, by lack of other living > Williams and by proximity I would say the probability of the link being > correct must be very high.

Doug, my notes say IGI also parish register, father William Gulwell. The link to Luckington is based on the fact that the Gulwell name is particular in it's origins to that area, Luckington abutting Hawkesbury parish and Easton Grey (Grey Easton) a couple of miles further away. There is as yet no proof positive that the two Williams are the same but by the occurance of this surname, by elimination, by lack of other living Williams and by proximity I would say the probability of the link being correct must be very high. Genealogy being an ongoing and iterative process there is always room for change when facts indicate a change is necessary, so I would always be very pleased to hear if anyone has data to improve the validity on any entry of mine. I especially welcome information on Gulwell as this name is part of my One-Name Study. Brian Doug Thompson <doug.thompson@virgin.net> wrote: Brian On your website you give the father of Mary GULWELL (b 1690 Hawkesbury) as William GULWELL (b 1655 Luckington). Do you have any evidence on which you base this identification or is it just a guess? I copied this to the Hawkesbury list as there may be others who could comment. Doug Thompson ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I have just finished equipping the Cotswold Clothiers' website with a search engine so, clothier or not, if someone's surname is there it is searchable OR if clothier families had interests in various villages they should be more easily identified! To do this, I have had to "argue" with angelfire's server until it finally took the search engine on a newly designed "Intro" page that ends with "html" not "htm" ... the remainder of the opening page URL is identical. :) So if you've bookmarked the site please go to the new opening page and change your bookmark to end with html. I am told that the AOL server is kicking back my postings because of the URL added to it but I don't know why. So to make sure that everyone receives this post I will set it here in long form and the "dot" can be replaced with a real one for anyone who may have missed it previously. www dot angelfire dot com/folk/cotswoldclothiers/index dot html (what an awkward way to go about it!) Phil, sorry to hear about your 'run in' and hope you'll be back to feeling your normal self soon! Cheers, Ronda