Carole These are the details you wanted of the marriage for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM. This was taken from the Marriage Register for Fishponds St Mary, kept at Bristol Record Office: Isaac Septimus MILSOM, 29, bachelor, labourer, abode: Sopworth, Wilts; father: William MILSOM, farmer; and Alice Matilda TEAGLE, 20, spinster, abode Fishponds; father: Alfred TEAGLE, labourer; married September 10th 1887, Fishponds St Mary. In presence of: Elizabeth Mary BRYANT and Alfred TEAGLE (mark of). (Eliz Mary BRYANT was Alice TEAGLE's sister, who had married George BRYANT) So Isaac would be son of William MILSOM and Mary Ann BOULTON. My theory about half-sisters now looks probable to explain Alice TEAGLE being niece of Robert and Elizabeth MILSOM :- The IGI (uncorroborated - individual submission) has a christening of Elizabeth HARDING, 8 July 1832, in Publow (near Keynsham), Som, daughter of Mary HARDING. If this is the Mary Ann HARDING who then married Benjamin MATTHEWS in Publow in 1835, and had daughter Elizabeth MATTHEWS about 1837 Keynsham (who became the wife of Robert MILSOM of Sopworth), then Elizabeth HARDING and Elizabeth MATTHEWS would be half sisters. Elizabeth HARDING could have been known as Sarah to distinguish her from her sister. That would explain why Alfred TEAGLE's wife is known as Sarah on the censuses (and Sarah, formerly HARDING on daughter Alice's birth certificate that Kaye has), but is formally shown as Elizabeth HARDING in the marriage register for St Mary's Bitton (near Keynsham) when she married Alfred TEAGLE in 1856. Alice TEAGLE would then be niece to Robert MILSOM's wife Elizabeth, explaining the 1881 Sopworth census entry. So it looks as though when Alice TEAGLE married Isaac MILSOM, she didn't exactly marry her cousin, she married her Aunt's husband's nephew ! Richard -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 01 August 2005 22:15 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM Hi Richard & All This looks like Elizabeth MATTHEWS, soon to become Mrs Robert MILSOM. I couldn't find her father Benjamin though. Or Sarah HARDING 1851 census Hanham 1944 0138015 Stone Hill Farm POTTER Jabez Webb HD M 39 Farmer 200 Acres, Emp 10L GLS Siston POTTER Mary WI M 34 - SOM Walcot POTTER James C. SO - 5 - GLS Bitton POTTER George W. SO - 2 - GLS Bitton MATTHEWS Elizabeth SV U 16 House Servant SOM Keynsham You wrote "I have the marriage entry for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM, and he was definitely the son of William MILSOM" Could you let me know the details please. Thanks Carole -

Hi everyone You don't happen to have any Pincott's connected to your tree do you? Richard Pincott (Nottinghamshire) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM > Hi Richard & All > > This looks like Elizabeth MATTHEWS, soon to become Mrs Robert MILSOM. > I couldn't find her father Benjamin though. Or Sarah HARDING > > 1851 census Hanham > 1944 0138015 Stone Hill Farm > POTTER Jabez Webb HD M 39 Farmer 200 Acres, Emp 10L GLS > Siston > POTTER Mary WI M 34 - SOM > Walcot > POTTER James C. SO - 5 - GLS > Bitton > POTTER George W. SO - 2 - GLS > Bitton > MATTHEWS Elizabeth SV U 16 House Servant SOM > Keynsham > > You wrote "I have the marriage entry for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM, > and he was definitely the son of William MILSOM" Could you let me know > the details please. > > Thanks > Carole > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Teagle [mailto:richardt@wales.ac.uk] > Sent: 01 August 2005 13:37 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM > > Carole > > Very many thanks - I had some of this but you've given me the > information I was missing. I already had Alfred TEAGLE (b Didmarton) > from the microfilm of the original 1861 census, living in Downend, > married, but no wife/child living with him. To date I hadn't been able > to find his wife Sarah and daughter Sarah Ann, aged about 1, on the 1861 > census. The Sarah TAGLE (28) and Ann TAGLE (1) you have below must be > them, living with Robert MILSOM in 1861. > > Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE's younger daughter Alice is described as Robert > MILSOM's niece in Sopworth in 1881, so it sounds at first as though > perhaps Sarah (bc1833, Keynsham)wife of Alfred TEAGLE and Elizabeth > (bc1837 Kainson - probably Keynsham) wife of Robert MILSOM might be > sisters, except that from the information Kaye provided, Elizabeth's > maiden name was MATTHEWS (d of Benjamin MATTHEWS), whereas Sarah was > formerly HARDING. It doesn't quite make sense yet, but you've given me > some more pices of the puzzle to work with. > > You've also found the elusive Charles Lewis TEAGLE on the 1901 census. > Many thanks for this. He was Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE's younger son. I > knew (from a descendant of his) that he ended up in Cymfelinfach, Mon, > as a miner, but neither of us could find him on the 1901 census anywhere > even with the normal spelling variants. The enumerator's misspelling > "TREAGLE" was one we hadn't though to try. The entry you have below in > Risca, Mon, makes sense as Charles TEAGLE was living with his older > sister Alice, wife of Isaac MILSOM. > > I have the marriage entry for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM, and he was > definitely the son of William MILSOM. > > The Wootton Bassett/Purton TEAGLEs are a different branch of the family, > though we all have a common ancester in Dositheus TACKLE/TEAGLE of > Tockenham, Wilts (Dositheus is an obscure biblical name - his father > Nicholas was Lecturer/Curate of Tockenham mid 1640s). > > Richard > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] > Sent: 31 July 2005 07:41 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM > > > Especially for Richard TEAGLE, as researched by Cousin Kay! > > The 1881 Census Sopworth Wiltshire has: > Robert MILSOM Head 51 Sopworth Witltshire Farmer 11 > acres employ 1 man (c > 1830) > Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 44 Kainson Glouc% Shopkeeper & > Innkeeper (c 1837) > Isaac MILSOM Nephew 22S Luckington Wiltshire Ag Lab > (c 1859) > Alice TEAGLE Niece 13 Fishponds Glouc Domestic > Servant (c 1868) > % The handwriting on the Census Page is very clear and the spelling is > as shown. I cannot find such a place. I cannot find in any census any > Isaac MILSOM other than Isaac the son of William MILSOM and his first > wife Ann. > > I turned to the 1861 Census and found Robert and his wife Elizabeth at > Sopworth: > Robert MILSOM Head 30 Wiltshire Farm labourer > (c 1831) > Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 24 Gloucestershire > (c 1831) > Ann TAGLE (TEAGLE?) Visitor 1 Gloucestershire > (c 1860) > Sarah TAGLE (TEAGLE?)Visitor 28M Gloucestershire > (c 1833) > > I found a marriage for a Robert MILSOM Mar Q 1858 Malmsbury 5a 56 but > cannot trace his spouse. I found a birth for a Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLE > born Jun Q 1860 Crickdale 5a 31 I believe that the visitors to Robert & > Elizabeth MILSOM were mother and child. The question is: was Sarah > MILSOM the wife of a brother of Robert or was Sarah TEAGLE the wife of a > brother of Elizabeth -i.e was Elizabeth MILSOM a TEAGLE? > > In looking for Alice TEAGLE born c 1868 in the 1871 Census the only > Alice was Alice TEAGLE born 1868 Purton Wiltshire which is far from > Bristol (Fishponds). Her parents were Joseph TEAGLE born 1818 Wotton > Bassett, Wiltshire and Martha TEAGLE born 1824 Wotton Bassett Wiltshire > BUT. In searching for Alfred TEAGLE (the reputed father of Alice TEAGLE) > the only Alfred with a daughter Alice was Alfred TEAGLE of Seagry > Wiltshire. However this Alice was born in 1857 and thus is not Alice the > Niece of Robert MILSOM. However In the 1861 Census there is an Alfred > TEAGLE at Mangotsfield: > Alfred TEAGLE Head 27M Didmarton Ag Lab (c 1834) > (No wife/children with him. Possible that Sarah TEAGLE visitor at home > of Robert MILSOM could be his wife.) > > Moving to the 1871 Census I could not find an Alfred TEAGLE but there > was an Alfred SEAFELL that on looking at the original record is TEAGELL. > Alfred was aged 37, born Didmarton, an Ag Lab. (This surely must be an > Enumerator error in recording TEAGLE). The rest of the family were: > Sarah his wife, aged 38 born Keynsham and daughters Elizabeth aged 8, > Emily aged 6 and Alice aged 3 all born Downend Glouc. You will see that > Alice is born 1868. > > Moving yet again to the 1881 Census Alfred TEAGLE aged 47 born Didmarton > Railway Platelayer was living at 42 Long Street, Stapleton with his wife > Sarah, aged 48 born Keynsham Wiltshire and children Elizabeth aged 18 > born Mangotsfield, Alfred aged 8 born Mangotsfield and Charles aged 5 > born Stapleton. > > Back to Alice TEAGLE. There are only two Alice TEAGLE born 1868 > (1) Alice born Purton Wiltshire and > (2) Alice born Downend Gloucestershire. > > The only Alice TEAGLE birth between 1867 and 1869 I could find was Alice > Matilda TEAGLE born Mar Q 1868 Keynsham 5c 730 > > Taking yet another turning, Isaac Septimus MILSOM and Alice Amelia > TEAGLE were married Sep Q 1887 Barton Regis 6a 233. In the Wales 1891 > Census at Temperance Hill, Risca: > Isaac S MILSOME Head 32 Luckington Wilt Ostler Coal Miner (c > 1859) > Alice MILSOLME Wife 23 Fishponds Glouc (c > 1868) > Sidney MILSOME Son 1 Sopworth Wilt (c > 1890) > Alfred MILSOME Son 1mth Risca Mon (c > 1891) > > In Wales 1901 at Salisbury Street Risca > Isaac MILSOM Head 44 Luckington Wilt Ostler (below > ground) (c 1859) > Alice MILSOM Wife 33 Fishponds Glouc (c > 1868) > Sidney MILSOM Son 11 Sopworth Wilt (c > 1890) > Alfred MILSOM Son 10 Risca Mon (c > 1891) > Emily MILSOM Dau 8 Risca Mon (c > 1893) > Lucy MILSOM Dau 6 Risca Mon (c > 1895) > Charles TREAGLE@ Visitor 25 Fishponds Glouc Labourer (under > ground) (c 1876) > Harriett TREAGLE Visitor 26 Radstock Somerset (c > 1875) > Alfred TREAGLE Visitor 5 Eastville Glouc (c > 1896) > Ernest TREAGLE Visitor 1 Fishponds Glouc (c > 1900) > > @ Enumerator error, TEAGLE. Charles Henry TEAGLE married Harriet Mary > TUCKER Mar Q 1896 Barton Regis 6a 233. Charles Henry TEAGLE was the son > of Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE and a younger brother of Alice Matilda TEAGLE > who married Isaac Septimus MILSOM. > > If you have been following this convoluted trail you will realize that I > still have not found if Isaac S MILSOM and Alice Matilda TEAGLE were > cousins, the missing link is the maiden name of the wife of Robert > MILSOM who I have the gut feeling must have been a TEAGLE. > > Kay has now obtained the following certificates in an attempt to sort > out these relationships:- > > No 37 Robert MILSOM aged 29 Bachelor Labourer of Sopworth, Father George > MILSOM Labourer married Elizabeth MATTHEWS aged 24 Spinster of Sopworth, > Father Benjamin MATTHEWS Labourer on 22nd March 1858 at the Parish > Church St > Mary Sopworth Wiltshire. > Witnesses: John HANDS Jane HANDS > > > No 311. Alice Matilda TEAGLE born 22nd Dec 1867 Downend Mangotsfield. > Father Alfred TEAGLE Ag Lab. Mother Sarah TEAGLE formerly HARDING > > No 158. Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLR born 19th May 1860 Purton Wiltshire. > Father > Joseph TEAGLE, Innkeeper. Mother Martha TEAGLE formerly OGBURN > > > Cheers > Carole > > PS Richard, when you've sorted out this lot, perhaps you could let me > know how they all fit together! > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Carole Thanks again for this (and to Kaye for the earlier information). I think I've now found the MATTHEWS - HARDING connection explaining how the daughter of Alfred TEAGLE/Sarah HARDING was "niece" to Robert MILSOM/Elizabeth MATTHEWS (born Keynsham, dau of Benjamin MATTHEWS): Benjamin MATTHEWS married Mary Ann HARDING, 31 March 1835, Publow, Somerset (source IGI) - Publow is close to Keynsham (IGI only has a christening of one daughter: Mary Ann MATTHEWS. c29 Dec 1844, Oldland (roughly between Hanham and Keynsham) So Robert MILSOM's wife Elizabeth's mother was a HARDING. One possibility I'm going to investigate is that Sarah HARDING bc1833 might have been Mary Ann HARDING's daughter before she married Benjamin MATTHEWS, making Sarah (HARDING) TEAGLE and Elizabeth (MATTHEWS) MILSOM half sisters. I cannot be sure that Sarah is her only name, as Alfred TEAGLE's marriage in Bitton (near Keynsham) in 1856 was to Elizabeth HARDING - yet his wife is Sarah on all census 1861-1891. Yes, I have a copy of the marriage entry in the Fishponds parish register for Isaac Septimus MILSOM of Sopworth and Alice Mathilda TEAGLE - I'll look it out tonight and post details tomorrow. I should perhaps mention the Hawkesbury connection - Alfred TEAGLE, though born Didmarton, was the grandson of John TEAGLE and Ann COAT(E)S, who married 24 May 1802 in St Mary's Hawkesbury. Richard -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 01 August 2005 22:15 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM Hi Richard & All This looks like Elizabeth MATTHEWS, soon to become Mrs Robert MILSOM. I couldn't find her father Benjamin though. Or Sarah HARDING 1851 census Hanham 1944 0138015 Stone Hill Farm POTTER Jabez Webb HD M 39 Farmer 200 Acres, Emp 10L GLS Siston POTTER Mary WI M 34 - SOM Walcot POTTER James C. SO - 5 - GLS Bitton POTTER George W. SO - 2 - GLS Bitton MATTHEWS Elizabeth SV U 16 House Servant SOM Keynsham You wrote "I have the marriage entry for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM, and he was definitely the son of William MILSOM" Could you let me know the details please. Thanks Carole -----Original Message----- From: Richard Teagle [mailto:richardt@wales.ac.uk] Sent: 01 August 2005 13:37 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM

Hi Richard & All This looks like Elizabeth MATTHEWS, soon to become Mrs Robert MILSOM. I couldn't find her father Benjamin though. Or Sarah HARDING 1851 census Hanham 1944 0138015 Stone Hill Farm POTTER Jabez Webb HD M 39 Farmer 200 Acres, Emp 10L GLS Siston POTTER Mary WI M 34 - SOM Walcot POTTER James C. SO - 5 - GLS Bitton POTTER George W. SO - 2 - GLS Bitton MATTHEWS Elizabeth SV U 16 House Servant SOM Keynsham You wrote "I have the marriage entry for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM, and he was definitely the son of William MILSOM" Could you let me know the details please. Thanks Carole -----Original Message----- From: Richard Teagle [mailto:richardt@wales.ac.uk] Sent: 01 August 2005 13:37 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM Carole Very many thanks - I had some of this but you've given me the information I was missing. I already had Alfred TEAGLE (b Didmarton) from the microfilm of the original 1861 census, living in Downend, married, but no wife/child living with him. To date I hadn't been able to find his wife Sarah and daughter Sarah Ann, aged about 1, on the 1861 census. The Sarah TAGLE (28) and Ann TAGLE (1) you have below must be them, living with Robert MILSOM in 1861. Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE's younger daughter Alice is described as Robert MILSOM's niece in Sopworth in 1881, so it sounds at first as though perhaps Sarah (bc1833, Keynsham)wife of Alfred TEAGLE and Elizabeth (bc1837 Kainson - probably Keynsham) wife of Robert MILSOM might be sisters, except that from the information Kaye provided, Elizabeth's maiden name was MATTHEWS (d of Benjamin MATTHEWS), whereas Sarah was formerly HARDING. It doesn't quite make sense yet, but you've given me some more pices of the puzzle to work with. You've also found the elusive Charles Lewis TEAGLE on the 1901 census. Many thanks for this. He was Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE's younger son. I knew (from a descendant of his) that he ended up in Cymfelinfach, Mon, as a miner, but neither of us could find him on the 1901 census anywhere even with the normal spelling variants. The enumerator's misspelling "TREAGLE" was one we hadn't though to try. The entry you have below in Risca, Mon, makes sense as Charles TEAGLE was living with his older sister Alice, wife of Isaac MILSOM. I have the marriage entry for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM, and he was definitely the son of William MILSOM. The Wootton Bassett/Purton TEAGLEs are a different branch of the family, though we all have a common ancester in Dositheus TACKLE/TEAGLE of Tockenham, Wilts (Dositheus is an obscure biblical name - his father Nicholas was Lecturer/Curate of Tockenham mid 1640s). Richard -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 31 July 2005 07:41 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM Especially for Richard TEAGLE, as researched by Cousin Kay! The 1881 Census Sopworth Wiltshire has: Robert MILSOM Head 51 Sopworth Witltshire Farmer 11 acres employ 1 man (c 1830) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 44 Kainson Glouc% Shopkeeper & Innkeeper (c 1837) Isaac MILSOM Nephew 22S Luckington Wiltshire Ag Lab (c 1859) Alice TEAGLE Niece 13 Fishponds Glouc Domestic Servant (c 1868) % The handwriting on the Census Page is very clear and the spelling is as shown. I cannot find such a place. I cannot find in any census any Isaac MILSOM other than Isaac the son of William MILSOM and his first wife Ann. I turned to the 1861 Census and found Robert and his wife Elizabeth at Sopworth: Robert MILSOM Head 30 Wiltshire Farm labourer (c 1831) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 24 Gloucestershire (c 1831) Ann TAGLE (TEAGLE?) Visitor 1 Gloucestershire (c 1860) Sarah TAGLE (TEAGLE?)Visitor 28M Gloucestershire (c 1833) I found a marriage for a Robert MILSOM Mar Q 1858 Malmsbury 5a 56 but cannot trace his spouse. I found a birth for a Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLE born Jun Q 1860 Crickdale 5a 31 I believe that the visitors to Robert & Elizabeth MILSOM were mother and child. The question is: was Sarah MILSOM the wife of a brother of Robert or was Sarah TEAGLE the wife of a brother of Elizabeth -i.e was Elizabeth MILSOM a TEAGLE? In looking for Alice TEAGLE born c 1868 in the 1871 Census the only Alice was Alice TEAGLE born 1868 Purton Wiltshire which is far from Bristol (Fishponds). Her parents were Joseph TEAGLE born 1818 Wotton Bassett, Wiltshire and Martha TEAGLE born 1824 Wotton Bassett Wiltshire BUT. In searching for Alfred TEAGLE (the reputed father of Alice TEAGLE) the only Alfred with a daughter Alice was Alfred TEAGLE of Seagry Wiltshire. However this Alice was born in 1857 and thus is not Alice the Niece of Robert MILSOM. However In the 1861 Census there is an Alfred TEAGLE at Mangotsfield: Alfred TEAGLE Head 27M Didmarton Ag Lab (c 1834) (No wife/children with him. Possible that Sarah TEAGLE visitor at home of Robert MILSOM could be his wife.) Moving to the 1871 Census I could not find an Alfred TEAGLE but there was an Alfred SEAFELL that on looking at the original record is TEAGELL. Alfred was aged 37, born Didmarton, an Ag Lab. (This surely must be an Enumerator error in recording TEAGLE). The rest of the family were: Sarah his wife, aged 38 born Keynsham and daughters Elizabeth aged 8, Emily aged 6 and Alice aged 3 all born Downend Glouc. You will see that Alice is born 1868. Moving yet again to the 1881 Census Alfred TEAGLE aged 47 born Didmarton Railway Platelayer was living at 42 Long Street, Stapleton with his wife Sarah, aged 48 born Keynsham Wiltshire and children Elizabeth aged 18 born Mangotsfield, Alfred aged 8 born Mangotsfield and Charles aged 5 born Stapleton. Back to Alice TEAGLE. There are only two Alice TEAGLE born 1868 (1) Alice born Purton Wiltshire and (2) Alice born Downend Gloucestershire. The only Alice TEAGLE birth between 1867 and 1869 I could find was Alice Matilda TEAGLE born Mar Q 1868 Keynsham 5c 730 Taking yet another turning, Isaac Septimus MILSOM and Alice Amelia TEAGLE were married Sep Q 1887 Barton Regis 6a 233. In the Wales 1891 Census at Temperance Hill, Risca: Isaac S MILSOME Head 32 Luckington Wilt Ostler Coal Miner (c 1859) Alice MILSOLME Wife 23 Fishponds Glouc (c 1868) Sidney MILSOME Son 1 Sopworth Wilt (c 1890) Alfred MILSOME Son 1mth Risca Mon (c 1891) In Wales 1901 at Salisbury Street Risca Isaac MILSOM Head 44 Luckington Wilt Ostler (below ground) (c 1859) Alice MILSOM Wife 33 Fishponds Glouc (c 1868) Sidney MILSOM Son 11 Sopworth Wilt (c 1890) Alfred MILSOM Son 10 Risca Mon (c 1891) Emily MILSOM Dau 8 Risca Mon (c 1893) Lucy MILSOM Dau 6 Risca Mon (c 1895) Charles TREAGLE@ Visitor 25 Fishponds Glouc Labourer (under ground) (c 1876) Harriett TREAGLE Visitor 26 Radstock Somerset (c 1875) Alfred TREAGLE Visitor 5 Eastville Glouc (c 1896) Ernest TREAGLE Visitor 1 Fishponds Glouc (c 1900) @ Enumerator error, TEAGLE. Charles Henry TEAGLE married Harriet Mary TUCKER Mar Q 1896 Barton Regis 6a 233. Charles Henry TEAGLE was the son of Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE and a younger brother of Alice Matilda TEAGLE who married Isaac Septimus MILSOM. If you have been following this convoluted trail you will realize that I still have not found if Isaac S MILSOM and Alice Matilda TEAGLE were cousins, the missing link is the maiden name of the wife of Robert MILSOM who I have the gut feeling must have been a TEAGLE. Kay has now obtained the following certificates in an attempt to sort out these relationships:- No 37 Robert MILSOM aged 29 Bachelor Labourer of Sopworth, Father George MILSOM Labourer married Elizabeth MATTHEWS aged 24 Spinster of Sopworth, Father Benjamin MATTHEWS Labourer on 22nd March 1858 at the Parish Church St Mary Sopworth Wiltshire. Witnesses: John HANDS Jane HANDS No 311. Alice Matilda TEAGLE born 22nd Dec 1867 Downend Mangotsfield. Father Alfred TEAGLE Ag Lab. Mother Sarah TEAGLE formerly HARDING No 158. Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLR born 19th May 1860 Purton Wiltshire. Father Joseph TEAGLE, Innkeeper. Mother Martha TEAGLE formerly OGBURN Cheers Carole PS Richard, when you've sorted out this lot, perhaps you could let me know how they all fit together! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005

Richard, I act, merely, as a postbox. All of the credit for this research goes to Kay who couldn't resist the challenge you posed in your first email! I have passé your reply to him. Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Richard Teagle [mailto:richardt@wales.ac.uk] Sent: 01 August 2005 13:37 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM Carole Very many thanks - I had some of this but you've given me the information I was missing. I already had Alfred TEAGLE (b Didmarton) from the microfilm of the original 1861 census, living in Downend, married, but no wife/child living with him. To date I hadn't been able to find his wife Sarah and daughter Sarah Ann, aged about 1, on the 1861 census. The Sarah TAGLE (28) and Ann TAGLE (1) you have below must be them, living with Robert MILSOM in 1861. Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE's younger daughter Alice is described as Robert MILSOM's niece in Sopworth in 1881, so it sounds at first as though perhaps Sarah (bc1833, Keynsham)wife of Alfred TEAGLE and Elizabeth (bc1837 Kainson - probably Keynsham) wife of Robert MILSOM might be sisters, except that from the information Kaye provided, Elizabeth's maiden name was MATTHEWS (d of Benjamin MATTHEWS), whereas Sarah was formerly HARDING. It doesn't quite make sense yet, but you've given me some more pices of the puzzle to work with. You've also found the elusive Charles Lewis TEAGLE on the 1901 census. Many thanks for this. He was Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE's younger son. I knew (from a descendant of his) that he ended up in Cymfelinfach, Mon, as a miner, but neither of us could find him on the 1901 census anywhere even with the normal spelling variants. The enumerator's misspelling "TREAGLE" was one we hadn't though to try. The entry you have below in Risca, Mon, makes sense as Charles TEAGLE was living with his older sister Alice, wife of Isaac MILSOM. I have the marriage entry for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM, and he was definitely the son of William MILSOM. The Wootton Bassett/Purton TEAGLEs are a different branch of the family, though we all have a common ancester in Dositheus TACKLE/TEAGLE of Tockenham, Wilts (Dositheus is an obscure biblical name - his father Nicholas was Lecturer/Curate of Tockenham mid 1640s). Richard -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 31 July 2005 07:41 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM Especially for Richard TEAGLE, as researched by Cousin Kay! The 1881 Census Sopworth Wiltshire has: Robert MILSOM Head 51 Sopworth Witltshire Farmer 11 acres employ 1 man (c 1830) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 44 Kainson Glouc% Shopkeeper & Innkeeper (c 1837) Isaac MILSOM Nephew 22S Luckington Wiltshire Ag Lab (c 1859) Alice TEAGLE Niece 13 Fishponds Glouc Domestic Servant (c 1868) % The handwriting on the Census Page is very clear and the spelling is as shown. I cannot find such a place. I cannot find in any census any Isaac MILSOM other than Isaac the son of William MILSOM and his first wife Ann. I turned to the 1861 Census and found Robert and his wife Elizabeth at Sopworth: Robert MILSOM Head 30 Wiltshire Farm labourer (c 1831) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 24 Gloucestershire (c 1831) Ann TAGLE (TEAGLE?) Visitor 1 Gloucestershire (c 1860) Sarah TAGLE (TEAGLE?)Visitor 28M Gloucestershire (c 1833) I found a marriage for a Robert MILSOM Mar Q 1858 Malmsbury 5a 56 but cannot trace his spouse. I found a birth for a Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLE born Jun Q 1860 Crickdale 5a 31 I believe that the visitors to Robert & Elizabeth MILSOM were mother and child. The question is: was Sarah MILSOM the wife of a brother of Robert or was Sarah TEAGLE the wife of a brother of Elizabeth -i.e was Elizabeth MILSOM a TEAGLE? In looking for Alice TEAGLE born c 1868 in the 1871 Census the only Alice was Alice TEAGLE born 1868 Purton Wiltshire which is far from Bristol (Fishponds). Her parents were Joseph TEAGLE born 1818 Wotton Bassett, Wiltshire and Martha TEAGLE born 1824 Wotton Bassett Wiltshire BUT. In searching for Alfred TEAGLE (the reputed father of Alice TEAGLE) the only Alfred with a daughter Alice was Alfred TEAGLE of Seagry Wiltshire. However this Alice was born in 1857 and thus is not Alice the Niece of Robert MILSOM. However In the 1861 Census there is an Alfred TEAGLE at Mangotsfield: Alfred TEAGLE Head 27M Didmarton Ag Lab (c 1834) (No wife/children with him. Possible that Sarah TEAGLE visitor at home of Robert MILSOM could be his wife.) Moving to the 1871 Census I could not find an Alfred TEAGLE but there was an Alfred SEAFELL that on looking at the original record is TEAGELL. Alfred was aged 37, born Didmarton, an Ag Lab. (This surely must be an Enumerator error in recording TEAGLE). The rest of the family were: Sarah his wife, aged 38 born Keynsham and daughters Elizabeth aged 8, Emily aged 6 and Alice aged 3 all born Downend Glouc. You will see that Alice is born 1868. Moving yet again to the 1881 Census Alfred TEAGLE aged 47 born Didmarton Railway Platelayer was living at 42 Long Street, Stapleton with his wife Sarah, aged 48 born Keynsham Wiltshire and children Elizabeth aged 18 born Mangotsfield, Alfred aged 8 born Mangotsfield and Charles aged 5 born Stapleton. Back to Alice TEAGLE. There are only two Alice TEAGLE born 1868 (1) Alice born Purton Wiltshire and (2) Alice born Downend Gloucestershire. The only Alice TEAGLE birth between 1867 and 1869 I could find was Alice Matilda TEAGLE born Mar Q 1868 Keynsham 5c 730 Taking yet another turning, Isaac Septimus MILSOM and Alice Amelia TEAGLE were married Sep Q 1887 Barton Regis 6a 233. In the Wales 1891 Census at Temperance Hill, Risca: Isaac S MILSOME Head 32 Luckington Wilt Ostler Coal Miner (c 1859) Alice MILSOLME Wife 23 Fishponds Glouc (c 1868) Sidney MILSOME Son 1 Sopworth Wilt (c 1890) Alfred MILSOME Son 1mth Risca Mon (c 1891) In Wales 1901 at Salisbury Street Risca Isaac MILSOM Head 44 Luckington Wilt Ostler (below ground) (c 1859) Alice MILSOM Wife 33 Fishponds Glouc (c 1868) Sidney MILSOM Son 11 Sopworth Wilt (c 1890) Alfred MILSOM Son 10 Risca Mon (c 1891) Emily MILSOM Dau 8 Risca Mon (c 1893) Lucy MILSOM Dau 6 Risca Mon (c 1895) Charles TREAGLE@ Visitor 25 Fishponds Glouc Labourer (under ground) (c 1876) Harriett TREAGLE Visitor 26 Radstock Somerset (c 1875) Alfred TREAGLE Visitor 5 Eastville Glouc (c 1896) Ernest TREAGLE Visitor 1 Fishponds Glouc (c 1900) @ Enumerator error, TEAGLE. Charles Henry TEAGLE married Harriet Mary TUCKER Mar Q 1896 Barton Regis 6a 233. Charles Henry TEAGLE was the son of Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE and a younger brother of Alice Matilda TEAGLE who married Isaac Septimus MILSOM. If you have been following this convoluted trail you will realize that I still have not found if Isaac S MILSOM and Alice Matilda TEAGLE were cousins, the missing link is the maiden name of the wife of Robert MILSOM who I have the gut feeling must have been a TEAGLE. Kay has now obtained the following certificates in an attempt to sort out these relationships:- No 37 Robert MILSOM aged 29 Bachelor Labourer of Sopworth, Father George MILSOM Labourer married Elizabeth MATTHEWS aged 24 Spinster of Sopworth, Father Benjamin MATTHEWS Labourer on 22nd March 1858 at the Parish Church St Mary Sopworth Wiltshire. Witnesses: John HANDS Jane HANDS No 311. Alice Matilda TEAGLE born 22nd Dec 1867 Downend Mangotsfield. Father Alfred TEAGLE Ag Lab. Mother Sarah TEAGLE formerly HARDING No 158. Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLR born 19th May 1860 Purton Wiltshire. Father Joseph TEAGLE, Innkeeper. Mother Martha TEAGLE formerly OGBURN Cheers Carole PS Richard, when you've sorted out this lot, perhaps you could let me know how they all fit together! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is 27th August, before the Hawkesbury Show. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. 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Hi Bob Alfred Amos CHAPPELL must surely be the son of Mary Ann CHAPPELL dtr of George and Jane CHAPPELL of Beechgrove Starvell Hawkesbury. Mary's Grandfather was Amos CHAPPELL as was his father also the only 2 Amos CHAPPELL's we have. The entry for Alfred in both Oldbury on the Hill and Hawkesbury is because Beechgrove was in Hawkesbury Parish but the worshiped in Oldbury only 1/4 of the distance away. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk

Hello All It's a long time since this discussion, but I have not forgotten it. Unfortunately, I was away on holiday when it all happened and there has been a lot of catching up to do. We are also moving house in two weeks time, so time is a bit short and other matters are pressing. Firstly, to take up Kay's challenge, I think it quite possible that Alfred Amos Chappell/Toghill and Daniel Toghill were the same person. However, I cannot work out a reason why the name should change in the way it did, so for the time being I am keeping them as two people. It is strange that Alfred Amos should be baptised less than two weeks after the wedding of Hugh and Mary Ann, and in a different parish, with him being shown with the maiden name of his mother. When was he actually born? After the wedding? Did Hugh make an honest woman of Mary Ann, and take on another man's baby? It has never been unusual for women to be pregnant on their wedding day, and the presumption is always that the husband of a married woman is the father of the children. All the evidence from this tale is that Hugh was NOT the father! Perhaps we need to see the birth certificate. Secondly, I have another candidate for the Mary Ann Chappell who was witness at the wedding. This is Mary Ann Kilmister (born c 1847 Hawkesbury) who married Francis Chapple. Francis was Mary Ann's uncle, and having your aunt by marriage as a witness would not seem too unusual. Francis and Mary Ann were married at Hawkesbury in 1870, but in 1881 were living at the Oddfellows Arms, Walcot, Bath where Francis was an innkeeper and gardener. Another one in the licensed trade! Now I must get back to sorting papers and packing boxes. Bob Lawrence (male) Incidentally, my close family do not call me by that name. My father's name was Henry Arthur Lawrence (born 1908) and in my lifetime he was called Harry by everyone except his mother and sisters, who sometimes called him Son. As a young man, he was known as Arthur. A schoolfriend of his used to stay with us sometimes, and he called my father Jack. That was because he reminded people of his uncle Jack, who then died in the First World War. My father's younger brother, born after the war, was named Herbert John Lawrence, but called Jack. Later, he was known as "Our Jack" to distinguish him from "Your Jack", who was his brother in law. "Your Jack"'s actual names were Frederick John. Names can be so confusing. ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 14 June 2005 07:36 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Were Alfred Amos CHAPPELL and Daniel TOGHILL the same person? Hi All, I've been reviewing some of my TOGHILL/CHAPPELL/WATTS connections and found yet another little puzzle! Two entries from the PRs - note the dates and locations and spelling of CHAPPLE/CHAPPELL. Parish Register - Hawkesbury, No 406 Feb 28 1875, Hugh Watts TOGHILL 32 ?Haulier/Hawker, of Hillesly, son of Daniel WATTS Farmer & Mary Ann CHAPPLE age 21 spin dau of George CHAPPLE Labourer Witnesses Charles TOGHILL & Mary Ann CHAPPELL. Parish Register - Oldbury on the Hill, No 437 Mar 11 1875, Alfred Amos son of Mary Ann CHAPPELL, Starveall, Hawkesbury. I have been showing Alfred Amos CHAPPELL (later known as TOGHILL) as the son of Hugh Watts TOGHILL & Mary Ann CHAPPLE but, given the above entries, wondered whether Alfred Amos CHAPPELL could be the son of the witness to the marriage instead. However, I can't identify this Mary Ann CHAPPELL (the witness) at present. I've always had a problem with Hugh & Mary Ann's children because, according to the censuses, there seems to be a son Daniel born about the sme time (1875), and, given that Hugh's father was Daniel WATTS, seems most likely to their child. When I put this to Kay he came back with the following analysis, and I would be grateful for any views please. Cheers Carole "I am going to shock you by saying that I believe Alfred Amos CHAPPELL and Daniel TOGHILL are one and the same person. Bob LAWRENCE in his database has them both as children of Hugh Watts TOGHILL and Mary Ann CHAPPELL. If we look at the various Census details: 1881 Alfred TOGHILL aged 6 born Hawkesbury is recorded as Grandson of George CHAPPELL (Farm Labourer) and his wife Jane at Beech Grove, Starveall, Hawkesbury. Also present : Mary A TOGHILL daughter, Widow, Rosa (Rose) A TOGHILL Granddaughter, and sons George CHAPPELL aged 18 born Weston and Frederick CHAPPELL aged 9 born Hawkesbury. 1891 Daniel TOGHILL aged 16 born Hawkesbury Grandson with grandparents George and Jane CHAPPELL of Beech Grove Cottages Hawkesbury 1901 (Wales) Daniel TOGHILL (unfortunately indexed as TOYHILL) aged 26 Single born Hawkesbury at residence of his uncle, Frederick Chappell, in Abertilley Monmouthshire. (Also present was Walter TOGHILL born 1885 Sodbury). If you look at the 1881 and 1891 Census we have firstly Alfred (1881) and then Daniel (1891) with grandparents George and Jane CHAPPELL at the same address in both Census. Alfred is 6 in 1881, Daniel 16 in 1891, and then in 1901 he is 26 with Frederick who was a son of George and Jane. It is far too much of a coincidence to have two TOGHILL grandchildren born in the same year, ( there is no variation as to year of birth over the 20 years between the 1881 Cenus and the 1901 Census) particularly when there is no indication of any other daughter of George and Jane marrying a TOGHILL. I am confident enough to delete Daniel TOGHILL from my records. There is no birth in the GRO Indexes on 1837online for a Daniel TOGHILL in the years 1874-1876 (a fact also recorded by Bob Lawrence in his database). All we know of Alfred Amos CHAPPELL (who subsequently is known as TOGHILL) is that he was born in the March Q 1875 Chipping Sodbury 6a 217 and that he was baptised as a CHAPPELL on11/3/1875. What we do not know is when he was actually born. I suspect that it would have been before 28/2/1875 when his mother married Hugh Watts TOGHILL. (Interestingly 28/2/1875 was a Sunday and 11/3 a Thursday.) I would also suspect that the Parish Priest may have objected to baptising the child as TOGHILL knowing that the birth of the child had been registered as CHAPPELL. I will obtain the birth certificate. This of course leaves still the question, who was Mary Ann CHAPPELL the witness to the marriage? It would not surprise me that this is an error and that Mary Ann’s mother, Jane, was the witness." PS I have to add that Mary ANN CHAPPELL signed her name in the PRs and it is definitely Ann, not Jane. Carole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. 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Carole Very many thanks - I had some of this but you've given me the information I was missing. I already had Alfred TEAGLE (b Didmarton) from the microfilm of the original 1861 census, living in Downend, married, but no wife/child living with him. To date I hadn't been able to find his wife Sarah and daughter Sarah Ann, aged about 1, on the 1861 census. The Sarah TAGLE (28) and Ann TAGLE (1) you have below must be them, living with Robert MILSOM in 1861. Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE's younger daughter Alice is described as Robert MILSOM's niece in Sopworth in 1881, so it sounds at first as though perhaps Sarah (bc1833, Keynsham)wife of Alfred TEAGLE and Elizabeth (bc1837 Kainson - probably Keynsham) wife of Robert MILSOM might be sisters, except that from the information Kaye provided, Elizabeth's maiden name was MATTHEWS (d of Benjamin MATTHEWS), whereas Sarah was formerly HARDING. It doesn't quite make sense yet, but you've given me some more pices of the puzzle to work with. You've also found the elusive Charles Lewis TEAGLE on the 1901 census. Many thanks for this. He was Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE's younger son. I knew (from a descendant of his) that he ended up in Cymfelinfach, Mon, as a miner, but neither of us could find him on the 1901 census anywhere even with the normal spelling variants. The enumerator's misspelling "TREAGLE" was one we hadn't though to try. The entry you have below in Risca, Mon, makes sense as Charles TEAGLE was living with his older sister Alice, wife of Isaac MILSOM. I have the marriage entry for Alice TEAGLE and Isaac MILSOM, and he was definitely the son of William MILSOM. The Wootton Bassett/Purton TEAGLEs are a different branch of the family, though we all have a common ancester in Dositheus TACKLE/TEAGLE of Tockenham, Wilts (Dositheus is an obscure biblical name - his father Nicholas was Lecturer/Curate of Tockenham mid 1640s). Richard -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: 31 July 2005 07:41 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] TEAGLE & MILSOM Especially for Richard TEAGLE, as researched by Cousin Kay! The 1881 Census Sopworth Wiltshire has: Robert MILSOM Head 51 Sopworth Witltshire Farmer 11 acres employ 1 man (c 1830) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 44 Kainson Glouc% Shopkeeper & Innkeeper (c 1837) Isaac MILSOM Nephew 22S Luckington Wiltshire Ag Lab (c 1859) Alice TEAGLE Niece 13 Fishponds Glouc Domestic Servant (c 1868) % The handwriting on the Census Page is very clear and the spelling is as shown. I cannot find such a place. I cannot find in any census any Isaac MILSOM other than Isaac the son of William MILSOM and his first wife Ann. I turned to the 1861 Census and found Robert and his wife Elizabeth at Sopworth: Robert MILSOM Head 30 Wiltshire Farm labourer (c 1831) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 24 Gloucestershire (c 1831) Ann TAGLE (TEAGLE?) Visitor 1 Gloucestershire (c 1860) Sarah TAGLE (TEAGLE?)Visitor 28M Gloucestershire (c 1833) I found a marriage for a Robert MILSOM Mar Q 1858 Malmsbury 5a 56 but cannot trace his spouse. I found a birth for a Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLE born Jun Q 1860 Crickdale 5a 31 I believe that the visitors to Robert & Elizabeth MILSOM were mother and child. The question is: was Sarah MILSOM the wife of a brother of Robert or was Sarah TEAGLE the wife of a brother of Elizabeth -i.e was Elizabeth MILSOM a TEAGLE? In looking for Alice TEAGLE born c 1868 in the 1871 Census the only Alice was Alice TEAGLE born 1868 Purton Wiltshire which is far from Bristol (Fishponds). Her parents were Joseph TEAGLE born 1818 Wotton Bassett, Wiltshire and Martha TEAGLE born 1824 Wotton Bassett Wiltshire BUT. In searching for Alfred TEAGLE (the reputed father of Alice TEAGLE) the only Alfred with a daughter Alice was Alfred TEAGLE of Seagry Wiltshire. However this Alice was born in 1857 and thus is not Alice the Niece of Robert MILSOM. However In the 1861 Census there is an Alfred TEAGLE at Mangotsfield: Alfred TEAGLE Head 27M Didmarton Ag Lab (c 1834) (No wife/children with him. Possible that Sarah TEAGLE visitor at home of Robert MILSOM could be his wife.) Moving to the 1871 Census I could not find an Alfred TEAGLE but there was an Alfred SEAFELL that on looking at the original record is TEAGELL. Alfred was aged 37, born Didmarton, an Ag Lab. (This surely must be an Enumerator error in recording TEAGLE). The rest of the family were: Sarah his wife, aged 38 born Keynsham and daughters Elizabeth aged 8, Emily aged 6 and Alice aged 3 all born Downend Glouc. You will see that Alice is born 1868. Moving yet again to the 1881 Census Alfred TEAGLE aged 47 born Didmarton Railway Platelayer was living at 42 Long Street, Stapleton with his wife Sarah, aged 48 born Keynsham Wiltshire and children Elizabeth aged 18 born Mangotsfield, Alfred aged 8 born Mangotsfield and Charles aged 5 born Stapleton. Back to Alice TEAGLE. There are only two Alice TEAGLE born 1868 (1) Alice born Purton Wiltshire and (2) Alice born Downend Gloucestershire. The only Alice TEAGLE birth between 1867 and 1869 I could find was Alice Matilda TEAGLE born Mar Q 1868 Keynsham 5c 730 Taking yet another turning, Isaac Septimus MILSOM and Alice Amelia TEAGLE were married Sep Q 1887 Barton Regis 6a 233. In the Wales 1891 Census at Temperance Hill, Risca: Isaac S MILSOME Head 32 Luckington Wilt Ostler Coal Miner (c 1859) Alice MILSOLME Wife 23 Fishponds Glouc (c 1868) Sidney MILSOME Son 1 Sopworth Wilt (c 1890) Alfred MILSOME Son 1mth Risca Mon (c 1891) In Wales 1901 at Salisbury Street Risca Isaac MILSOM Head 44 Luckington Wilt Ostler (below ground) (c 1859) Alice MILSOM Wife 33 Fishponds Glouc (c 1868) Sidney MILSOM Son 11 Sopworth Wilt (c 1890) Alfred MILSOM Son 10 Risca Mon (c 1891) Emily MILSOM Dau 8 Risca Mon (c 1893) Lucy MILSOM Dau 6 Risca Mon (c 1895) Charles TREAGLE@ Visitor 25 Fishponds Glouc Labourer (under ground) (c 1876) Harriett TREAGLE Visitor 26 Radstock Somerset (c 1875) Alfred TREAGLE Visitor 5 Eastville Glouc (c 1896) Ernest TREAGLE Visitor 1 Fishponds Glouc (c 1900) @ Enumerator error, TEAGLE. Charles Henry TEAGLE married Harriet Mary TUCKER Mar Q 1896 Barton Regis 6a 233. Charles Henry TEAGLE was the son of Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE and a younger brother of Alice Matilda TEAGLE who married Isaac Septimus MILSOM. If you have been following this convoluted trail you will realize that I still have not found if Isaac S MILSOM and Alice Matilda TEAGLE were cousins, the missing link is the maiden name of the wife of Robert MILSOM who I have the gut feeling must have been a TEAGLE. Kay has now obtained the following certificates in an attempt to sort out these relationships:- No 37 Robert MILSOM aged 29 Bachelor Labourer of Sopworth, Father George MILSOM Labourer married Elizabeth MATTHEWS aged 24 Spinster of Sopworth, Father Benjamin MATTHEWS Labourer on 22nd March 1858 at the Parish Church St Mary Sopworth Wiltshire. Witnesses: John HANDS Jane HANDS No 311. Alice Matilda TEAGLE born 22nd Dec 1867 Downend Mangotsfield. Father Alfred TEAGLE Ag Lab. Mother Sarah TEAGLE formerly HARDING No 158. Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLR born 19th May 1860 Purton Wiltshire. Father Joseph TEAGLE, Innkeeper. Mother Martha TEAGLE formerly OGBURN Cheers Carole PS Richard, when you've sorted out this lot, perhaps you could let me know how they all fit together! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is 27th August, before the Hawkesbury Show. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Carole I know Keynsham is in Somerset, but only just. I have a family record where it is spelt Kainsham. Worth considering? Lee - I'm female in case anyone was wondering! Perth Oz -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 2:41 PM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: TEAGLE & MILSOM Snip >>>>>>The 1881 Census Sopworth Wiltshire has: Robert MILSOM Head 51 Sopworth Witltshire Farmer 11 acres employ 1 man (c 1830) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 44 Kainson Glouc% Shopkeeper & Innkeeper (c 1837) Isaac MILSOM Nephew 22S Luckington Wiltshire Ag Lab (c 1859) Alice TEAGLE Niece 13 Fishponds Glouc Domestic Servant (c 1868) % The handwriting on the Census Page is very clear and the spelling is as shown. I cannot find such a place. I cannot find in any census any Isaac MILSOM other than Isaac the son of William MILSOM and his first wife Ann. <<

Hi Lee I think its Keynsham too, even though it's in Wiltshire on the 1881 census! "Moving yet again to the 1881 Census Alfred TEAGLE aged 47 born Didmarton Railway Platelayer was living at 42 Long Street, Stapleton with his wife Sarah, aged 48 born Keynsham Wiltshire and children Elizabeth aged 18 born Mangotsfield, Alfred aged 8 born Mangotsfield and Charles aged 5 born Stapleton." Thanks Carole PS - I'm female too. When my father went to register my birth he was told that Carol (without an E) was a boy's name! -----Original Message----- From: Lee Paltridge [mailto:leeridge@iinet.net.au] Sent: 01 August 2005 04:31 To: ANTHONY SHARP; ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: TEAGLE & MILSOM Hi Carole I know Keynsham is in Somerset, but only just. I have a family record where it is spelt Kainsham. Worth considering? Lee - I'm female in case anyone was wondering! Perth Oz -----Original Message----- From: ANTHONY SHARP [mailto:sharpafc@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 2:41 PM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: TEAGLE & MILSOM Snip >>>>>>The 1881 Census Sopworth Wiltshire has: Robert MILSOM Head 51 Sopworth Witltshire Farmer 11 acres employ 1 man (c 1830) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 44 Kainson Glouc% Shopkeeper & Innkeeper (c 1837) Isaac MILSOM Nephew 22S Luckington Wiltshire Ag Lab (c 1859) Alice TEAGLE Niece 13 Fishponds Glouc Domestic Servant (c 1868) % The handwriting on the Census Page is very clear and the spelling is as shown. I cannot find such a place. I cannot find in any census any Isaac MILSOM other than Isaac the son of William MILSOM and his first wife Ann. << -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005

Hello Jane I'm sorry to say that I know nothing more about Ann WORLOCK apart from her descendants. Interestingly, though, some of these farmed at Coomb, Wotton under Edge, and died there, although they were buried at Oldbury on the Hill. Were there any WORLOCK Wills that reveal a link? I'm not a subscriber to genesconnected but would be grateful for a sight of your family. Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Jane Slowgrove [mailto:janeslowgrove@yahoo.com] Sent: 27 July 2005 11:50 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] Worlock Dear Carole. I'm sure I will be, the generation before I have several Male Worlock's but only know my direct line downwards. She is probably a cousin or similar. My Worlock's farmed at Coomb on the Edge of Wotton Under Edge and the Worlock's at Wotton seem to be linked. There is an Ann born in 1755 who we thought was married to John Pitt but who knows for sure? I'm trying to check these links but will probably have to go to the record office to do so. (I now live in Hampshire). I am definately related to the Worlock's buried in Ozleworth & Tresham Churchyard. Do you know any relatives of Ann as this would help me tie her in? Are you on the genesconnected site as if so I can give you access to my tree if you email me. If you search for me Jane Mary Louise Worlock and email through the site I can open it. Otherwise let me know. Take care Jane Slowgrove (nee Worlock) ANTHONY SHARP <sharpafc@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Jane Do you have any connection to Ann WORLOCK who married Edward WATTS 23 Dec 1772 at Wotton under Edge (Source IGI)? They lived at Oldbury on the Hill. Cheers Carole -----Original Message----- From: Jane Slowgrove [mailto:janeslowgrove@yahoo.com] Sent: 21 July 2005 14:30 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Worlock I have just discovered this list. My maiden name was WORLOCK and my family were farmers from the Wotton Under Edge area. Some of my relative were from HAWKESBURY, TRESHAM, COOMBE & OZLEWORTH. I'd love to correspond with anyone with WORLOCK connections. Yours Jane Slowgrove (nee Worlock) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/53 - Release Date: 20/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is 27th August, before the Hawkesbury Show. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is 27th August, before the Hawkesbury Show. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005

Hi All Through the kindness of Cousin Kay, I can offer you a lot of information from BMD Certificates. Marriages: (1) No 49. William MILSOM aged 47 Widower, farmer of Luckington, Father George MILSOM, Labourer married Ann WATTS age 34 Spinster of Luckington, Father Maurice WATTS, Labourer on 12th January 1867 at the Parish Church of Luckington Wilthshire. Witnesses: Robert MILSOM x his mark Elizabeth MILSOM x her mark. (2) No 129 Joseph MILSOM aged 54 Widower, Agricultural Labourer of Tresham, Father James MILSOM (Decd) married Eliza Emily RODWAY aged 41 Spinster of Trsham, Father John Clement RODWAY (Decd) Boot and Shoemaker 0n 17th August 1890 at the Register Office, Chipping Sodbury Glouc. Witnesses: S HUGHES E BIRD (3) No 10 Charles TOGHILL aged 62 Widower, Farmer of Hawkesbury Upton, Father Thomas TOGHILL (Decd) Farmer married Eliza Emily MILSOM aged 44 Widow of Hawkesbury Upton, Father John Clement RODWAY (decd) Shoemaker on 13th June 1893 at the Parish Church St Marys Hawkesbury Gloucestershire. Witnesses: Percy G WATTS Rosa HUGHES (4) No 37 Robert MILSOM aged 29 Bachelor Labourer of Sopworth, Father George MILSOM Labourer married Elizabeth MATTHEWS aged 24 Spinster of Sopworth, Father Benjamin MATTHEWS Labourer on 22nd March 1858 at the Parish Church St Mary Sopworth Wiltshire. Witnesses: John HANDS Jane HANDS (5) No 264 Henry MILSOM of Full Age, Widower Labourer of Machen Lower, Father George MILSOM, Labourer married Margaret JAMES of Full Age, Spinster of Machen Lower, father William JAMES Labourer on 29th October 1867 at the Parish Church Machen Monmouthshire. Witnesses: Francis THOMPSON Ann Beanlan x her mark Births: (1) No 81 Alfred MILSOM born 17th August 1849 Sopworth, Father Henry MILSOM Ag Labourer, Mother Ann MILSOM formerly CREW (2) No 342 George Henry MILSOM born 18ty December 1862 Risca Monmouthshire & Glamorgan father Hnery MILSOM an engine stoker at a Coal Pit. Mother Ann MILSOM formerly CREW (3) No 220 Reuben MILSOM born 17th August 1862 Luckington. Father William MILSOM Farmer. Mother Mary Ann MILSOM formerly BOULTON Also the following although I they do not appear to relate to the Descendants of James MILSOM. (1) No 14 Henry MILSOM aged 21 Bachelor Cordwainer of Philadephia Street Bristol, Father Joseph MILSOM Cordwainer married Ann KERRICK aged 22 Spinster of Philadelphia Strret Bristol, Father George KERRICK, Tailor on 10th July 1852 at the Parish Church St Matthias Bristol. Witnesses: Robert BETTY Ann BETTY (2) No 131 Agnes MILSOM born 29th December 1852 Chipping Sodbury. Father Henry MILSOM, Cordwainer. Mother Ann MILSOM formerly KERRICK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005

Especially for Richard TEAGLE, as researched by Cousin Kay! The 1881 Census Sopworth Wiltshire has: Robert MILSOM Head 51 Sopworth Witltshire Farmer 11 acres employ 1 man (c 1830) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 44 Kainson Glouc% Shopkeeper & Innkeeper (c 1837) Isaac MILSOM Nephew 22S Luckington Wiltshire Ag Lab (c 1859) Alice TEAGLE Niece 13 Fishponds Glouc Domestic Servant (c 1868) % The handwriting on the Census Page is very clear and the spelling is as shown. I cannot find such a place. I cannot find in any census any Isaac MILSOM other than Isaac the son of William MILSOM and his first wife Ann. I turned to the 1861 Census and found Robert and his wife Elizabeth at Sopworth: Robert MILSOM Head 30 Wiltshire Farm labourer (c 1831) Elizabeth MILSOM Wife 24 Gloucestershire (c 1831) Ann TAGLE (TEAGLE?) Visitor 1 Gloucestershire (c 1860) Sarah TAGLE (TEAGLE?)Visitor 28M Gloucestershire (c 1833) I found a marriage for a Robert MILSOM Mar Q 1858 Malmsbury 5a 56 but cannot trace his spouse. I found a birth for a Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLE born Jun Q 1860 Crickdale 5a 31 I believe that the visitors to Robert & Elizabeth MILSOM were mother and child. The question is: was Sarah MILSOM the wife of a brother of Robert or was Sarah TEAGLE the wife of a brother of Elizabeth -i.e was Elizabeth MILSOM a TEAGLE? In looking for Alice TEAGLE born c 1868 in the 1871 Census the only Alice was Alice TEAGLE born 1868 Purton Wiltshire which is far from Bristol (Fishponds). Her parents were Joseph TEAGLE born 1818 Wotton Bassett, Wiltshire and Martha TEAGLE born 1824 Wotton Bassett Wiltshire BUT. In searching for Alfred TEAGLE (the reputed father of Alice TEAGLE) the only Alfred with a daughter Alice was Alfred TEAGLE of Seagry Wiltshire. However this Alice was born in 1857 and thus is not Alice the Niece of Robert MILSOM. However In the 1861 Census there is an Alfred TEAGLE at Mangotsfield: Alfred TEAGLE Head 27M Didmarton Ag Lab (c 1834) (No wife/children with him. Possible that Sarah TEAGLE visitor at home of Robert MILSOM could be his wife.) Moving to the 1871 Census I could not find an Alfred TEAGLE but there was an Alfred SEAFELL that on looking at the original record is TEAGELL. Alfred was aged 37, born Didmarton, an Ag Lab. (This surely must be an Enumerator error in recording TEAGLE). The rest of the family were: Sarah his wife, aged 38 born Keynsham and daughters Elizabeth aged 8, Emily aged 6 and Alice aged 3 all born Downend Glouc. You will see that Alice is born 1868. Moving yet again to the 1881 Census Alfred TEAGLE aged 47 born Didmarton Railway Platelayer was living at 42 Long Street, Stapleton with his wife Sarah, aged 48 born Keynsham Wiltshire and children Elizabeth aged 18 born Mangotsfield, Alfred aged 8 born Mangotsfield and Charles aged 5 born Stapleton. Back to Alice TEAGLE. There are only two Alice TEAGLE born 1868 (1) Alice born Purton Wiltshire and (2) Alice born Downend Gloucestershire. The only Alice TEAGLE birth between 1867 and 1869 I could find was Alice Matilda TEAGLE born Mar Q 1868 Keynsham 5c 730 Taking yet another turning, Isaac Septimus MILSOM and Alice Amelia TEAGLE were married Sep Q 1887 Barton Regis 6a 233. In the Wales 1891 Census at Temperance Hill, Risca: Isaac S MILSOME Head 32 Luckington Wilt Ostler Coal Miner (c 1859) Alice MILSOLME Wife 23 Fishponds Glouc (c 1868) Sidney MILSOME Son 1 Sopworth Wilt (c 1890) Alfred MILSOME Son 1mth Risca Mon (c 1891) In Wales 1901 at Salisbury Street Risca Isaac MILSOM Head 44 Luckington Wilt Ostler (below ground) (c 1859) Alice MILSOM Wife 33 Fishponds Glouc (c 1868) Sidney MILSOM Son 11 Sopworth Wilt (c 1890) Alfred MILSOM Son 10 Risca Mon (c 1891) Emily MILSOM Dau 8 Risca Mon (c 1893) Lucy MILSOM Dau 6 Risca Mon (c 1895) Charles TREAGLE@ Visitor 25 Fishponds Glouc Labourer (under ground) (c 1876) Harriett TREAGLE Visitor 26 Radstock Somerset (c 1875) Alfred TREAGLE Visitor 5 Eastville Glouc (c 1896) Ernest TREAGLE Visitor 1 Fishponds Glouc (c 1900) @ Enumerator error, TEAGLE. Charles Henry TEAGLE married Harriet Mary TUCKER Mar Q 1896 Barton Regis 6a 233. Charles Henry TEAGLE was the son of Alfred and Sarah TEAGLE and a younger brother of Alice Matilda TEAGLE who married Isaac Septimus MILSOM. If you have been following this convoluted trail you will realize that I still have not found if Isaac S MILSOM and Alice Matilda TEAGLE were cousins, the missing link is the maiden name of the wife of Robert MILSOM who I have the gut feeling must have been a TEAGLE. Kay has now obtained the following certificates in an attempt to sort out these relationships:- No 37 Robert MILSOM aged 29 Bachelor Labourer of Sopworth, Father George MILSOM Labourer married Elizabeth MATTHEWS aged 24 Spinster of Sopworth, Father Benjamin MATTHEWS Labourer on 22nd March 1858 at the Parish Church St Mary Sopworth Wiltshire. Witnesses: John HANDS Jane HANDS No 311. Alice Matilda TEAGLE born 22nd Dec 1867 Downend Mangotsfield. Father Alfred TEAGLE Ag Lab. Mother Sarah TEAGLE formerly HARDING No 158. Sarah Ann Kate TEAGLR born 19th May 1860 Purton Wiltshire. Father Joseph TEAGLE, Innkeeper. Mother Martha TEAGLE formerly OGBURN Cheers Carole PS Richard, when you've sorted out this lot, perhaps you could let me know how they all fit together! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005

Hi Roderick I think Joseph COOPER owned the Cottage called Cold Change half way up Cold Change Hill, Francis STINCHCOMBE who farmed at Pound Farm or Court Farm in Hawkesbury near the Church was during the First World War instructed by the ministry to plough up the common land on Hawkesbury Common in order to increase food production he knowing full well that although the land seems firm, it in most parts is sodden most of the year so ploughing and planting it was futile as the crop would rot, so the ministry replaced him on the farm he leased and he moved to Cold Change Cottage which he renamed "Ploughed Out" it still exists and today is now called Rose Cottage. I think the "Cold Change" may derive from having a fresh set of horses to complete the Hill climb. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wessex Estates & Securities" <wessex@iinet.net.au> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] Gazette - STINCHCOMB > Hi > >> I tried searching for >> "Hawkesbury Gloucestershire" and found this in the Notices under the >> Trustees Act 1925. > > STINCHCOMB, Francis Melville, Cold Change, Hawkesbury Gloucestershire, >> Retired farmer. 2nd October 1971 >> For anyone wishing to make a claim on thw estate, its too late. >> Cheers >> Carole > > The reference to "Cold Change" caught my eye as I seem to remember that in > the will of Joseph Cooper (1756-1833) he is also described as being of > "Cold > Change, Farmer". Is anyone able to provide any information concerning the > farm and its curious name? I trust Hawkesbury is not as bleak as the > latter > would suggest! > > Regards > > Roderick > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in > CAPITALS. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Hi > I tried searching for > "Hawkesbury Gloucestershire" and found this in the Notices under the > Trustees Act 1925. > STINCHCOMB, Francis Melville, Cold Change, Hawkesbury Gloucestershire, > Retired farmer. 2nd October 1971 > For anyone wishing to make a claim on thw estate, its too late. > Cheers > Carole The reference to "Cold Change" caught my eye as I seem to remember that in the will of Joseph Cooper (1756-1833) he is also described as being of "Cold Change, Farmer". Is anyone able to provide any information concerning the farm and its curious name? I trust Hawkesbury is not as bleak as the latter would suggest! Regards Roderick

Hi again. A big thank you to everyone who answered my query on the Royal Victoria Home, thanks to, PHIL, JOSEPHINE,LISA, BOB, STAN,and WENDY, and anyone else who I have missed. I shall be looking at the websites you sent in the next day or two, I am 99% sure I have the right Ann/Annie Ford, if I am right she is not my grandmother, although she was married to my grandfather, at the time she was in the home my grandfather Edward Ford was lodging with a Alice Blake, and she is deffinately my grandmother, so you have to draw your own conclusions. It would be nice if I could find if the Ann Ford in the home had a husband named Edward. Anyway, thanks again to you all. Best Regards, John -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 267.9.6 - Release Date: 27/07/2005

HI Robert., Have been away for past 2 months including a visit to the U.K. unfortunately did not get to Hawkesbury/Horton - now resubscribed with new address. Have found my Mary RODWAY/THOMAS sister Elizabeth RODWAY married to Samuel ROSSER 13.5.1796 at Henbury. they subsequently resided at Compton Greenfield and Samuel was an executor of John THOMAS Will. I have found no birth for Samuel as yet. Will continue to read mail with interest. Regards Patricia G.

My thanks to Bob to alerting us to this website. I tried searching for "Hawkesbury Gloucestershire" and found this in the Notices under the Trustees Act 1925. STINCHCOMB, Francis Melville, Cold Change, Hawkesbury Gloucestershire, Retired farmer. 2nd October 1971 For anyone wishing to make a claim on thw estate, its too late. Cheers Carole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005

John Welcome to the list. I am sure you will find it rewarding. You have misread the address slightly. It is "Brentry". Brentry Hospital occupied until recently an early 19th century house and landscaped grounds designed by Humphrey Repton, together with later 19th century additions. Much of the site has now been redeveloped as housing, called "Royal Victoria Park" In recent times, the hospital was used by people with what are now termed learning difficulties, and many of the residents still live at smaller community homes and similar facilities in the local vicinity. I do not know how the patients would have been described 100 years ago. You can find some fascinating stuff on the web if you type "Brentry" into Google, especially when combined with "hospital" or "Repton"`. There appears to be a history of the hospital available, which may tell you more. I live about half a mile from the site. The area used to be in Gloucestershire, but is now within the City of Bristol. Bob Lawrence ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: J.Ford [mailto:john@jf2000.freeserve.co.uk] ¦Sent: 27 July 2005 13:32 ¦To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com ¦Subject: [HWK] Help Wanted ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦Hello everyone. ¦ I am new to this list and hope that someone can help ¦with a query. ¦ On the 1901 census I have found someone who may be related,but I have ¦to find more details to be ¦ sure, the person ( Annie Ford ) is an " inmate" at the ¦Royal Victoria ¦Home, the address is ¦ "Brenting Westbury On Trym" in Gloucestershire, ¦ ¦ I have found a Westbury On Trym near to Bristol ¦but do not ¦know if this is the same place, ¦could anyone tell me if I have the right place ? and if I might find what ¦kind of home it was and if I could find any records about the Inmates/ ¦Patients, could I find anything online ? ¦ ¦ Hope someone can help. ¦ Regards John. ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦-- ¦No virus found in this outgoing message. ¦Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ¦Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 267.9.6 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 ¦ ¦ ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi John Just googled this for RoyalVictoria Home http://www.glensidemuseum.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/inebriates_2.htm 'Fraid it looks like a home for drunks, and yes it was in Brentry, Westbury on Trym, Bristol Lisa