on 26/03/2000 3:11 pm, Janwils77@aol.com at Janwils77@aol.com wrote: > I therefore conclude that this THOMAS CARTER was not the one born to > JAMES CARTER and ELIZABETH THOMPSON. > > What do you think? I would agree that your Thomas seems unlikely to be a son of James and Elizabeth THOMPSON now. Pity! I almost had you down as a sixth cousin there. (If Elizabeth is the girl Geoffro thinks she is!) Have you any information on where this Elizabeth came from? Doug THOMPSON

Hi All I know about ELIZABETH THOMPSON is that she was probably born about 1778 or if you check the 1851 census 1781. There is a burial recorded in the Hawkesbury Parish Register on 22.11.1863 of an ELIZABETH CARTER aged 86 and although I do not have a copy of the certificate dates would tie up and this may be one and the same. Janet

Ok Janet and Geoffro - Ddon't get too excited or upset if this contradicts anything , but I have a copy of a hand written family tree from a branch of the Carter family. This is mostly done from word of mouth and research made by a descendant of that line and was given to my father. I have not had a chance to check any of it or even transcribe it, but the link is to a JAMES CARTER who was the brother of THOMAS CARTER who married a Martha - I do not have a surname but I suspect it might be your Martha Winbow? This tree lists the parents of Thomas and James as Thomas CARTER and Ann REED married 25/9/1797. The grandson of this James went by the fabulous name of JOHN THOMAS DEBRELL CARTER (!) and married Emily THOMPSON - and here I'm on solid ground as I know that their daughter Ethel was the source of a lot of the info - I met the lady in the late 1960's just before she died, when my dad was doing some ancestor hunting, and tracked the family down. If you want this info and the stuff that came with it I will try and get it into a GEDCOM file so you can see and judge for yourselves. There is one other link (I've just noticed - JAMES (b. 1805) seems to have married and Ann HOWELL. Marilyn, Milton Keynes ----- Original Message ----- From: <Janwils77@aol.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 3:11 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] Janet WILSON and her CARTER's > Hi Geoffro > > Thanks for your email re the CARTERS. Yes, some of those listed on your > surname list are indeed related to me. My line starts with ANN CARTER date of > birth and parents unknown. She appears to have had 14 children and each time, > according to the parish register it states reputed father THOMAS HUNT. My > research for some years lead me to conclude that I was a direct descendant of > their first born JAMES CARTER (1777) who married ELIZABETH THOMPSON > 6.2.1803. Certain pieces of information that have come to light in the last > year have made me change my theory. > > ANN CARTER and THOMAS HUNT had a daughter MARY CARTER bap. 10.8.1788 > therefore making her by 1807 approx. 19 years old. In Gloucester Record > Office I found some information relating to a MARY CARTER of the same age > from the village of Hawkesbury who had a male bastard child on 24.1.1807 by > THOMAS SIMS of Stroud who's occupation is recorded as Butcher. No baptism > recorded in the I.G.I. > > THOMAS CARTER married MARTHA WINBOW on the 14.12.1828 at Hawkesbury. They > went on to have 8 children some of which appear on your CARTER list. The > children are as follows: > > SARAH CARTER bap. 1.8.1830 married WORTHY HOPKINS 2.6.1852 at Clifton > Register Office Bristol. > > GEORGE CARTER bap. 14.10.1832 > > JOHN CARTER my 2 X G. Grandfather born 18.12.1834 - information from family > bible - bap. 22.2.1835 - married MARY ANN WOODHAM 14.3.1868 Marshfield. > > JANE CARTER bap. 5.3.1837 married HENRY STNCHCOMBE at Wickwar on 4.11.1865 > > ENOCH CARTER bap.29.9.1839 - burial 21.6.1857. > > HANNAH CARTER bap. 18.4.1844 > > GILES CARTER bap. 6.6.1847 - married DRUCILLA HOWELL 27.10.1866 - died > 18.12.1826 - information re date of death metal cross in Hawkesbury > Churchyard. > > ELIZA MARY CARTER bap. 6.6.1847 - burial 22.1.1852 > > MARTHA CARTER nee WINBOW died 22.2.1848 from 'disease of the spine'. In > 1855 THOMAS CARTER remarried and took as his new wife ELIZA PRICE who like > him had been widowed. THOMAS CARTER is recorded on the marriage certificate > (no. 202) as being 47 years of age and his father as THOMAS SIMS butcher. The > witnesses to this marriage were WORTHY and SARAH HOPKINS his daughter and son > in-law. I therefore conclude that this THOMAS CARTER was not the one born to > JAMES CARTER and ELIZABETH THOMPSON. > > What do you think? > > > Janet > > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > >

I have forwarded the message below from the GLS list as it may be of use especially to Jill WISEMAN to whom I apologise for my delay in responding. The time I have spent at the pc this week has been considerably less than usual as one of the legs broke off my chair. The new one arrives tomorrow. Also have been chasing a breakthrough on the SHIPWAY families and hope in the next day or two to unite 3 separate Australians with their long lost rellies. Blame this on Kaye PURNELL whose fantastic work on the emigrants to Aus set the ball rolling. Thanks Kaye. Any listers attend the GFHS fair at the end of next month who would like to meet there for a chat etc please let me know. All others keep your fingers crossed that I come back with fiche reader. Mummy is working on Daddy for me. If you are still awaiting answers from me they will arrive soon. Geoffro Geoffro > Can you help? > > I am seeking help. > > > Both families between 1750-1825 had non-conformist connections > > in KINGSWOOD and WOOTTON UNDER EDGE......any help > and any information on these families please. > > bob simmonds > > > ==== GLOUCESTER Mailing List ==== > Gravestone Inscriptions page - > all about how to record MIs > http://www.neep.demon.co.uk/mis/ > >

Perhaps this will be third time lucky. Is there anyone out there who knows anything about CORNOCKS. Matilda Cornock born 1813 daughter of Arthur and Penelope from Wootton Under Edge. Married Charles Humphries 1831 and had nine children. I would like to hear from anyone who has any knowledge of these CORNOCKS. Regards Jill Bath

Hi Geoffro Thanks for your email re the CARTERS. Yes, some of those listed on your surname list are indeed related to me. My line starts with ANN CARTER date of birth and parents unknown. She appears to have had 14 children and each time, according to the parish register it states reputed father THOMAS HUNT. My research for some years lead me to conclude that I was a direct descendant of their first born JAMES CARTER (1777) who married ELIZABETH THOMPSON 6.2.1803. Certain pieces of information that have come to light in the last year have made me change my theory. ANN CARTER and THOMAS HUNT had a daughter MARY CARTER bap. 10.8.1788 therefore making her by 1807 approx. 19 years old. In Gloucester Record Office I found some information relating to a MARY CARTER of the same age from the village of Hawkesbury who had a male bastard child on 24.1.1807 by THOMAS SIMS of Stroud who's occupation is recorded as Butcher. No baptism recorded in the I.G.I. THOMAS CARTER married MARTHA WINBOW on the 14.12.1828 at Hawkesbury. They went on to have 8 children some of which appear on your CARTER list. The children are as follows: SARAH CARTER bap. 1.8.1830 married WORTHY HOPKINS 2.6.1852 at Clifton Register Office Bristol. GEORGE CARTER bap. 14.10.1832 JOHN CARTER my 2 X G. Grandfather born 18.12.1834 - information from family bible - bap. 22.2.1835 - married MARY ANN WOODHAM 14.3.1868 Marshfield. JANE CARTER bap. 5.3.1837 married HENRY STNCHCOMBE at Wickwar on 4.11.1865 ENOCH CARTER bap.29.9.1839 - burial 21.6.1857. HANNAH CARTER bap. 18.4.1844 GILES CARTER bap. 6.6.1847 - married DRUCILLA HOWELL 27.10.1866 - died 18.12.1826 - information re date of death metal cross in Hawkesbury Churchyard. ELIZA MARY CARTER bap. 6.6.1847 - burial 22.1.1852 MARTHA CARTER nee WINBOW died 22.2.1848 from 'disease of the spine'. In 1855 THOMAS CARTER remarried and took as his new wife ELIZA PRICE who like him had been widowed. THOMAS CARTER is recorded on the marriage certificate (no. 202) as being 47 years of age and his father as THOMAS SIMS butcher. The witnesses to this marriage were WORTHY and SARAH HOPKINS his daughter and son in-law. I therefore conclude that this THOMAS CARTER was not the one born to JAMES CARTER and ELIZABETH THOMPSON. What do you think? Janet

Hi Geoffro and List Thought I'd add my two connections to the CHAPPELL discussion. My Gt grandmother was Eliza Chappell, bap 1826 at Oldbury-on-the-Hill, daughter of Charles Chappell (c1787-1842) & his wife Hester BOXWELL (1786-1852) who were married in 1821 at Oldbury. Eliza seems to have been their only child. Sometime between the birth of Eliza in 1826 and the census of 1841 the family moved to Rangeworthy. In 1851 Eliza Chappell married Aaron EDWARDS Jr son of Aaron Edwards Sn who was born in Hawkesbury in 1782. My other Chappell connection is a Mary Ann CHAPPELL who had a natural daughter Sabina in 1841 and then married William EDWARDS in 1844. They were the parents of Peter Edwards the local carter in Hawkesbury. William was a first cousin to the above Aaron Jr. If you or anyone know of the above families I'd love to hear from them. I'd be particularly interested to find out what happened to Sabina. I have all the census details on the above from 1841-1891. Thanks Kerrie NSW Australia

Hello Ronda Don't know if it will help you, but here is an address I picked up off another list. Happy hunting Carole. Hello everyone, in September last year I started to build a free web site dedicated to identifying military photographs, in an attempt to repay some of the generous help that I have received from Genealogists generally and Rootsweb listers in particular. This site was initially to be for the Counties of Leicestershire and Rutland, but (due to requests) is now open to anyone with a military interest in Great Britain and its war time allies. Many of us are lucky enough to own treasured photographs of groups or single portraits of military personnel of the W.W.1 and W.W2 era and with luck, earlier "gems" of this sort. How many times have you and your family looked at these wonderful old photographs and wondered who your ancestors comrades were ? What Regiment etc. did they belong to? When and where the photograph was taken ? 'Military Images' is set up to offer "on line" pages to display these photographs in the hope that other site visitors can help with identification etc. Perhaps you have in your possession photographs that you can scan that are a partial or complete mystery ? Perhaps (like me) you can identify your own relative/s within the group but none of his/her comrades? Perhaps some of these "unknown servicemen" are lost relatives or people that may have passed on information about your ancestors military career to their families. The web site now contains this type of material and other information and links etc. As of today (Fri. 11 Feb. 2000), the site holds photo/scans of some 1,586 UNIDENTIFIED INDIVIDUALS, plus many more that only the barest facts are known. There is also, a list of 812 transcribed names from War Memorials etc. (many of the memorials have been photographed and these scans are "on site"). Please do bear in mind that in WW1 in particular, where a soldier was living at the time of his volunteering or conscription often had no bearing on which Regiment etc. he was posted to. (or if he was killed where he was buried). So a soldier who perhaps volunteered or was conscripted in Devon could be posted to a Yorkshire Regiment. I hope that you will take the time to have a look at the web site, who knows? you may find "one of your own" there. I hope also that some of you will consider sending in photographs that you would like to receive help with. Good luck and good hunting ! >From Roger Capewell, in Derbyshire, England. rojanne@capefam.freeserve.co.uk 'Military Images' Web Site at :- Http://www.capefam.freeserve.co.uk/militaryimages.htm Researching CAPEWELL/CAPWELL anywhere, any time. ______________________________ - --------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Hi Janet, You have been quiet since joining the list so I thought I would ask whether your CARTER's are the ones listed at http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/amusement/adrenaline/17/ which is the home of The Hawkesbury THOMPSON's. It is also possible that I have other news for you. Geoffro

Geoffro, After taking a second look this evening and comparing it to the "i"'s elsewhere on the page, I now think it is actually an 'e' so PHELPS it is. I'm just about to scan the entry now. Expect it in your mail box within 15 mins or so. Regards, Adrian Sheppard Campbell, California, USA ade@3dfx.com -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Sheppard [mailto:ade@3dfx.com] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 3:05 PM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] RE: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] THOMPSON marriage in Sopworth, Wilts. You know it was a bit difficult to tell, it could have been an 'e'. I'll try and get a photocopy of the entry this evening and send you a scan. You can then decided for yourself. As far as I remember the information I sent was all that was there, except the name of the vicar. I'll keep my eye out for any more PHILPS/PHELPS entries. Regards, Adrian Sheppard Campbell, California, USA ade@3dfx.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Brightman [mailto:LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 2:58 PM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] THOMPSON marriage in Sopworth, Wilts. Hi Adrian, I have just reread your email in an attempt to reopen a lost argument with cousin Doug and I noticed that you typed Jane PHILPS with an I not PHELPS as I read it as this morning. We have an Isaac and Jane with a daughter middlename PHELPS and 2 grandchildren the same. By chance did it happen to mention Isaac;s age or preferably father or even occupation ?? And similarly Jane;s. It was interesting to see that both witnesses were THOMPSON's sister and father of the groom in fact. I would appreciate any other PHELPS info you fall across in Sopworth many thanks Geoffro ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Hi Adrian, I wonder if there is any connection between your CHAPPLEs and this marriage from Long Newnton: Zebulon HAREWELL yeoman of Charlton, Malmesbury married Mary CHAPEL also of Charlton, young woman by licence at Long Newnton on 24 Feb 1747. The bondsman was John CLARK alias HILLIER, labourer of Brokenborough. Why they both married at Long Newnton is a puzzle, but we're fairly certain Zeb's father died while he was young and he may have moved in with his uncle Charles (long story). Afraid we have nothing else on these CHAPELs yet, but are working on it! Cheers... Ken Murray in New York

I would be extremely interested in the spreadsheet. Regards, Adrian Sheppard Campbell, California, USA ade@3dfx.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Brightman [mailto:LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 3:47 PM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] Isaac HOPKINS CHAPPELL Hi Adrian, We must stop meeting like this. last year I created an excel file of almost 300 CHAPPLE christenings from, Hawkesbury, Didmarton, Oldbury and Great Badminton. The CHAPPLE.s /CHAPPELL.s etc I was looking at were linked to all those parishes. I am happy to send you this if required. I can see only 2 Mary CHAPPELL.s in Gloucestershire that would perhaps fit yours and she is a servant in the tything of Upton in 1851 in the household of James SNELL. The other is in Stroud visiting. Not a lot of help I know but something to think about is :- In Hawkebury in 1851 there is a 12 year old Isaac HOPKINS with parents Isaac and Sarah. I know of 2 (of the 3) base born children of Betty COATES where 1 acknowledged the father (you guessed it - a THOMPSON) and the other did not. A long shot perhaps but who knows. If you can find Isaac HOPKINS dying that will give you a clue to his age and may if you can find the right death certificate assist. And many thanks for your PHELPS help and fro sending a copy of the lines. Geoffro ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Geoffro wrote And talking about the military lister Doug THOMPSON has a question about the Hawkesbury Militia when he remembers to get round to asking it >> And Doug replies - There are so many questions! I have some information from payroll lists of the Hawkesbury militia between 1803 and 1813. There were several of my THOMPSON relatives enlisted. Does anyone know ANYTHING about these militia. They were called the Hawkesbury Volunteers. How voluntary was service? What age did people join? What age did they stop serving? How far away might recruits come from? Any thoughts would be appreciated. OK Geoffro?? Doug PS Before you ask - Sorry, I took down the details some time ago at the public records office and I only noted the THOMPSONS! But the question remains - Who the heck was Michael THOMPSON ??? Geoffro

Hi Adrian, We must stop meeting like this. last year I created an excel file of almost 300 CHAPPLE christenings from, Hawkesbury, Didmarton, Oldbury and Great Badminton. The CHAPPLE.s /CHAPPELL.s etc I was looking at were linked to all those parishes. I am happy to send you this if required. I can see only 2 Mary CHAPPELL.s in Gloucestershire that would perhaps fit yours and she is a servant in the tything of Upton in 1851 in the household of James SNELL. The other is in Stroud visiting. Not a lot of help I know but something to think about is :- In Hawkebury in 1851 there is a 12 year old Isaac HOPKINS with parents Isaac and Sarah. I know of 2 (of the 3) base born children of Betty COATES where 1 acknowledged the father (you guessed it - a THOMPSON) and the other did not. A long shot perhaps but who knows. If you can find Isaac HOPKINS dying that will give you a clue to his age and may if you can find the right death certificate assist. And many thanks for your PHELPS help and fro sending a copy of the lines. Geoffro

Before I go joining a British Military List, etc. I was wondering if there was anybody on one of these lists who could assist me in identifying what branch of military some of my WICKS soldiers were in - based on the uniforms they are wearing in their pictures. Perhaps the hat badge, etc. (?) I have the pictures scanned to jpegs (abt. 15 kb each) and will gladly send them to anyone who thinks they can offer any suggestions. Thanks in advance, Ronda WICKS (Woodstock, Ontario, Canada)

You know it was a bit difficult to tell, it could have been an 'e'. I'll try and get a photocopy of the entry this evening and send you a scan. You can then decided for yourself. As far as I remember the information I sent was all that was there, except the name of the vicar. I'll keep my eye out for any more PHILPS/PHELPS entries. Regards, Adrian Sheppard Campbell, California, USA ade@3dfx.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Brightman [mailto:LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 2:58 PM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] THOMPSON marriage in Sopworth, Wilts. Hi Adrian, I have just reread your email in an attempt to reopen a lost argument with cousin Doug and I noticed that you typed Jane PHILPS with an I not PHELPS as I read it as this morning. We have an Isaac and Jane with a daughter middlename PHELPS and 2 grandchildren the same. By chance did it happen to mention Isaac;s age or preferably father or even occupation ?? And similarly Jane;s. It was interesting to see that both witnesses were THOMPSON's sister and father of the groom in fact. I would appreciate any other PHELPS info you fall across in Sopworth many thanks Geoffro ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Hi Adrian, I have just reread your email in an attempt to reopen a lost argument with cousin Doug and I noticed that you typed Jane PHILPS with an I not PHELPS as I read it as this morning. We have an Isaac and Jane with a daughter middlename PHELPS and 2 grandchildren the same. By chance did it happen to mention Isaac;s age or preferably father or even occupation ?? And similarly Jane;s. It was interesting to see that both witnesses were THOMPSON's sister and father of the groom in fact. I would appreciate any other PHELPS info you fall across in Sopworth many thanks Geoffro

My pleasure. :) I'm hoping someone can solve a puzzle for me... Sarah Georgina CHAPPELL (CHAPPLE) baptised 2 Aug 1861 Hillesley, was the base born daur of Mary CHAPPELL, however on the marriage certificate of Sarah & George MILSOM in 1881, her father is "Isaac HOPKINS CHAPPELL (deceased)" (Witnesses William CHAPPELL & Jane HANDS). Does anyone have any information on Isaac, I'm presuming his mother was probably a HOPKINS. He may even be the grandfather of Sarah, father of Mary? Any help appreciated. Regards, Adrian Sheppard Campbell, California, USA ade@3dfx.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Brightman [mailto:LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 2:14 AM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] THOMPSON marriage in Sopworth, Wilts. I came across this THOMPSON marriage > that might be of interest to you. Of Interest ! Oh Adrian what a Master of the understatement you are. Brilliant thankyou. You have just answered one of the THOMPSON mysteries. Isaac and jane had a daughter Charlotta Phelps THOMPSON and although we know much of their lives after the birth of Charlotte and the other 8 children - including incidentally, Rodelinda Rowena mentioned yesterday, we have never found the marriage. Geoffro ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Hi Ronda Send them to me off list and I will run them past some old folk who know about these things. And talking about the military lister Doug THOMPSON has a question about the Hawkesbury Militia when he remembers to get round to asking it Geoffro

I came across this THOMPSON marriage > that might be of interest to you. Of Interest ! Oh Adrian what a Master of the understatement you are. Brilliant thankyou. You have just answered one of the THOMPSON mysteries. Isaac and jane had a daughter Charlotta Phelps THOMPSON and although we know much of their lives after the birth of Charlotte and the other 8 children - including incidentally, Rodelinda Rowena mentioned yesterday, we have never found the marriage. Geoffro