965 Mrs D Johnson 26 The Ride, Kingswood, Bristol BS15 4SY, England is listed as researching FREKE in Gloucestershire at the GLS surnames page. But you probably already knew that.

Regarding the mystery of the Joseph COOK/Mary THOMPSON bastardy order of 1802, I found the following in the Gordon Beavington index to the 1851 census. This Joseph would have been the right age for a youthful indiscretion in 1802. 82 COOK Joseph 70 farmer 91 ac Hawkesbury Mary 58 Upton Ann 20 Upton John 18 Upton Sarah 15 Hawkesbury MARLING Henry Servant 20 Miserdine Bob Lawrence

Thanks for the list of CHAPPELL children. My information on the Chappel/Tavender marriage comes from the parish register, and the rest from the 1851 and 1881 census. Have you found any of the pre 1851 children in the 1851 census? I found a Sarah aged 6 in Gordon Beavington's Grandmaster index, but not in the as enumerated. What is the source of your information? Bob Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: robert millard <robert.millard@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 2:00 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL > Thanks Bob Lawrence for info on Isaac and Ann CHAPPELL > I thought I had the dates wrong for the marriage as I have:- > WILLIAM HENRY 1856 > SARAH ANN 1844 > JAMES 1844 twins > THOMAS christened earlier 1844 > GEORGE , 1850 > ALFRED 28 NOV 1852 > ELIZABETH ???? > MARY ???? > > WILLIAM HENRY CHAPPELL is my great grandfather > It seems they took thier time getting married I wonder why? > thanks again > Robert Millard > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > >

In 1847, a child EMILY JANE HULBERT was born to Grace HULBERT. The parish record shows this child baptised, and present were Grace herself, Grace's father George and a Mary Ann FREKE. I have no idea who this lady is but in 1851 there is one - (and only one family group), listed in the census transcripts - a wife - Mary Ann FREKE aged 19 in Bitton. On the other hand the IGI indexes have a variety of FREKES in Bristol St George and Kingswood. I'd love to know who this person is and what relationship she had to the family to be listed as a witness at the baptism - was she a friend of Grace? If so she was a lot younger than her - she was also quite young to be married in Oct 1847 - although I know it happened a lot. Perhaps she was a relative of the (unknown) father? If anyone out there has this lady in their family trees, I'd love to know a bit about her, as it might give me some valuable leads to follow up on. Thanks, Marilyn

> Hello Pauline > Do you know who the parents are of your Lydia ILES are? We are interested in > Moses ILES born abt. 1765 who married Ann HANDCOCK and had children > Elizabeth ILES and Ann ILES born 1796 Hawkesbury. > Dave Hedges > email: davehedges@care4free.net > website: http://www.davehedges.care4free.net/ Hi Dave My Lydia born 1782, daughter of Edward ILES and Hester/Esther SMITH. It seem likely that Edward was baptised 1743 in Alderley, son another Edward and Hester. Haven't found anyone in the family called Moses. There were a lot of ILES around in the area using a multitude of spellings for their surname! Thanks for responding Pauline

Although I live in the area, I have not done any research on Bitton, etc in the 19th century, so am not quite sure how far Bitton extended at that time. I have tried to check the current population, but the latest figure is probably in the 1991 census, and therefore out of date. The boundaries of these parishes in the mining/industrial/residential area to the east of Bristol sometime bear little relationship to the actual pattern of settlement. However, Bitton is now largely a residential area, dormitory to Bristol, and has grown a lot in the past 20 years. The population now must be in the thousands or tens of thousands. Bob Lawrence N.B. Bitton is very near Warmley, where the Bristol & Avon Family History Society are holding their open day on Saturday 20th May. It is at the Warmley War Memorial & Community Centre, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m., and admission is free. All the usual atttractions.

Isaac Chappel married Ann Tavender at Hawkesbury on 11 October 1849. They had children George (Sep 1850) and John (c 1857). Isaac and Ann are listed in the 1851 and 1881 censuses, with Isaac shown as a farm labourer. Ann Tavender was baptised at Hawkesbury on 29 Sep 1822, the daughter of John Tavender and Hester nee Cotes. She was the younger sister of my gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth Tavender. Bob Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: robert millard <robert.millard@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 1:55 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL > can anyone help please > I have an Isaac CHAPPELL married to a Jane?? they had a child James b.1817at Hawkesbury, who is Jane, when did they marry. > I think he later married Elizabeth Gingell in 1849 she already has a child was Gingell her married name. > he has a son also named Isaac CHAPPELL b.1820 who married an Ann Tavinder? in 1849?can anyone help please confirm this > thanks > Robert Millard > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Does anyone know of any family of the following please William Henry HURCUM born in Old Sodbury area around 1860 Emily Ester SCULL b. nov 1863 Old Sodbury area Annie Elizabeth WHITE b.1856 Hawkesbury Thomas MILLARD c. 1865 Hill Nr Thornbury or any MILLARD Berkley or Charfield area Emily WOODWARD c.1870 Hill or Charfield thanks Robert Millard

TRY 01454321618 L A WILKINS 1 LITTLE SODBURY END HORTON if this isn't him he lives close by the address seems correct Robert. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Brightman" <LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 3:40 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] Jockey WILKINS > Thanks Robert, > > Any idea of a phone number. > > Geoffro > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert millard" <robert.millard@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:23 PM > Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] Jockey WILKINS > > > > which Jockey Wilkins? There were two father and son this must be the elder > > jnr is Anthony (Tony) WILKINS he is alive and kicking and still into > horses > > currently living localy his perents lived near Hewetts Piece Hawkesbury > > Father was either a Jockey or called so because of his stature and love of > > horses > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Geoff Brightman" <LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 2:46 PM > > Subject: [[Hawks]] Jockey WILKINS > > > > > > > The THOMPSON tribe are currently attempting to discover information > about > > > Lillian THOMPSON. > > > > > > Is is thought that she may have married one "Jockey" WILKINS. > > > > > > Jockey , "A monument to Hawkesbury" tells us on page 49 used to be > called > > > Lord Leather by the boys and ran a youth club upstairs at the Blue Boy > pub > > > with boxing, quoits, cards and organised games. > > > > > > Does anybody rememebr Jockey WILKINS or have him in their trees. Does > > > anybody knwo of his wife ? > > > > > > Geoffro > > > "The Pond Dipper" > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

which Jockey Wilkins? There were two father and son this must be the elder jnr is Anthony (Tony) WILKINS he is alive and kicking and still into horses currently living localy his perents lived near Hewetts Piece Hawkesbury Father was either a Jockey or called so because of his stature and love of horses ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Brightman" <LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Jockey WILKINS > The THOMPSON tribe are currently attempting to discover information about > Lillian THOMPSON. > > Is is thought that she may have married one "Jockey" WILKINS. > > Jockey , "A monument to Hawkesbury" tells us on page 49 used to be called > Lord Leather by the boys and ran a youth club upstairs at the Blue Boy pub > with boxing, quoits, cards and organised games. > > Does anybody rememebr Jockey WILKINS or have him in their trees. Does > anybody knwo of his wife ? > > Geoffro > "The Pond Dipper" > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hello Pauline Do you know who the parents are of your Lydia ILES are? We are interested in Moses ILES born abt. 1765 who married Ann HANDCOCK and had children Elizabeth ILES and Ann ILES born 1796 Hawkesbury. Dave Hedges email: davehedges@care4free.net website: http://www.davehedges.care4free.net/ =============================== Researching: STINCHCOMBE (Hawkesbury) HEDGES (Gloucestershire) MERRIMAN (Stow On Wold) FOWLER (Wotton-U-Edge) GALE (Gloucestershire) ILES/ILLES (Hawkesbury) CORNOCK (Hawkesbury) JONES (Crudwell & Long Newnton) =============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur & Pauline Kennedy <akpak@zetnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] My interests | Hi everyone | | I been "sitting in" on this list for some time now and it's really | time I shared my interests in the Hawkesbury area. I am a very | distant relative of Marilyn through the Hulberts of Biddestone. | | My paternal grandfather was Ernest Samuel SCRATON, and most of his | maternal ancestors came from the Wotton-under-Edge area. Surnames | include ORCHARD, WEBB, ILES, HAWKINS, SMITH. | | Charles Frederick WEBB was one of my 4 x gt grandfathers. He was born | in North Nibley in about 1778. I am descended from his second | marriage to Lydia Iles. Charles' first wife was Virgin CLARKE; they | married 26 Dec 1808 in Hawkesbury and their first child, Thomas, was | baptised there in 1809. | | My paternal grandmother was Alice Elizabeth JOHNSON, and most of her | maternal ancestors came from north west Wiltshire and over the border | into Gloucestershire. Surnames include BEAK, WOODMAN, LITTLE, | PRITCHARD, CHAPMAN, BLAKE, KING, GAYLER, MILSUM, DEVERELL, | BRINKWORTH, TRULL, BALDWIN, SMART. Several of these lines go back to | the 16th or 17th centuries. | | Anyone else researching these surnames? I'd love to share information. | | I have indexed most of my research (not quite up to date!), so if you | have lost someone in this area (particularly north west Wilts) there | is always a remote possibility I may have them in my indexes. | | best wishes | Pauline | | PS Re the interest in TAVENDER & TAVINER - one of my relatives | married a "TAVENER" in Chippenham in 1807 | | | ============================== | Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. | RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. | http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi |

Hello, Jill I also live in Bath and am working on Curnocks/Cornocks. Stuck on Mary Curnock b. abt 1760 and have just been contacted by Robert Millard? He reckons he's got a big file on Curnock/Curnocke/Cornock. I will be pleased to share what we have, to see if we've got the answer to you. I'm pleased to see Kaye Purnell's note because some of our people went to Oz, one I believe was transported for stealing a tree from the pleasure gardens of the Duke of Beaufort! Just let me know. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Purnell [mailto:kayepur@ozemail.com.au] Sent: 02 May 2000 06:44 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] CORNOCK - WOOTTON UNDER EDGE At 12:45 PM 26/3/2000 +0100, you wrote: >Perhaps this will be third time lucky. > >Is there anyone out there who knows anything about CORNOCKS. > >Matilda Cornock born 1813 daughter of Arthur and Penelope from >Wootton Under Edge. Married Charles Humphries 1831 and had nine >children. > >I would like to hear from anyone who has any knowledge of these >CORNOCKS. > >Regards >Jill >Bath > G'day Jill >From my index James CORNOCK bc1823 W-u-E married Hannah Maria WHITE; family living Kingswood 1851 census. Family came to South Australia in 1856; then later to VIC it appears. Don't know if this is related to yours. Please note not my family just entries on my GLS Immigrants to Oz index. There are quite a few CORNOCK said born W-u-E on the 1851 GLS index. Hope you got some help with this. Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC. ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Hello Robert, Pleased to hear from you! Could I send you by snail-mail the charts and notes that I have so far, and show you the problem area. We have been really stuck on this for a long time and could do with some advice. Cheers Brian, from Bath, -----Original Message----- From: robert millard [mailto:robert.millard@btinternet.com] Sent: 28 April 2000 11:27 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] CORNOCKS WOTTON-U-EDGE I have extensive history of COROCK'S CURNOCK'S & CURNOCKE'S my granmother is one of the Hawkesbury CORNOCKS originating in Slimbridge but I have a complete family tree for CORNOCKS from Berkley Nibley Hilesley Wotton Hilesley Aust to name a few, back to 1506 plus the family coat of arms. Robert Millard ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

At 12:45 PM 26/3/2000 +0100, you wrote: >Perhaps this will be third time lucky. > >Is there anyone out there who knows anything about CORNOCKS. > >Matilda Cornock born 1813 daughter of Arthur and Penelope from >Wootton Under Edge. Married Charles Humphries 1831 and had nine >children. > >I would like to hear from anyone who has any knowledge of these >CORNOCKS. > >Regards >Jill >Bath > G'day Jill >From my index James CORNOCK bc1823 W-u-E married Hannah Maria WHITE; family living Kingswood 1851 census. Family came to South Australia in 1856; then later to VIC it appears. Don't know if this is related to yours. Please note not my family just entries on my GLS Immigrants to Oz index. There are quite a few CORNOCK said born W-u-E on the 1851 GLS index. Hope you got some help with this. Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

Marilyn On my files I have a likely candidate for your Lilian BUTLER. She's Lilian THOMPSON married to Herbert BUTLER (b1884). Herbert is son of Edwin BUTLER, son of Anne THOMPSON, dau of James THOMPSON, your 3G gfather. I don't know where I got this from though! Either Geoffro or you, probably! Unfortunately Lilian isn't linked to anyone so she's still a mystery. Doug Thompson

Re the Tarviners/Tavinders and all the spellings - Yes - I have fond most of the spelling alternatives too. If you have any Taviners in the Wilts area, especially at the turn of the 18th to 19th C, we might be able to start looking for links - James HULBERT married Mary Taviner and his son moved to Hawkesbury where he married (Ann COOK) and settled. James sister Sarah also married Mary's brother Richard Taviner. This would be the second link as I'm the Marilyn that Geoffro refered to when he picked up on your Thompson link - I was a bit slow as Thompson is a confusing area of study as they were so populous - Geoff is definitely way ahead of me! George HULBERT's son James married Eliza Jane Thompson (b. 1842). Marilyn Moffat ----- Original Message ----- From: R.P. & A.L. Lawrence <lawrence@hazels.u-net.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:04 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Fw: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] THOMPSON - COOPER - TAVINDER - TOGHILL - COTES > My transcription of the Hawkesbury PR s from 1813 to1844 show that the > spellings TAVENDER, TAVINDER and TAVINER were used fairly indiscriminately. > In the 1841 census, I have also found TAVERNER. Even though most families > seem to have decided how their names were spelt by this time, I have always > assumed that they were all connected in some way. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marilyn Moffat <marilyn@moffat-mk.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 6:48 PM > Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] THOMPSON - COOPER - TAVINDER - TOGHILL - > COTES > > > > Quick question - Is this the only spelling you have of TAVENDER? My > > Hulberts who lived in Biddestoner then Hawkesbury intermarried with > > TAVINER - various sopellings - from all those small villages up on the > > Cotswold Downs of S Glos N Wilts. > > > > If you want to look into this let me know! > > > > Marilyn > > Milton Keynes > > > > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

My dad reminded me yesterday that I have another mystery to solve - this time it concerns an old lady he met in the 60's when he started investigating the family links in Hawkesbury. I've rechecked recent traffic and don't see anything although as I remember there were THOMPSON/BUTLER marriages mentioned but for late 18th C. dates. This lady lived in the area around Back Street (I think - it was a long time ago now). She was a THOMPSON but her married name was LILY (Lillian?) BUTLER and she told my Dad about his own father and how she used to go to visit the HULBERT family at Scrubbits Farm, Newington Bagpath. This would have been between 1890 and 1920 when they moved on, making this lady 60 to 70+ when Dad spoke to her My dad believes her daughter worked on a farm too- for Tom Redman at Ozleworth (in case that rings a bell with someone !! :-)) It would be really nice if we can place this lady into the Thompson/ Hulbert clan. Marilyn

I haven't had any contact with the family for over 20 years but if you wanted to write or telephone, the details are: Godfrey Cullimore and Son, Newhouse Farm, Cambridge, Glos. The one to talk to is Godfrey and he will remember me as his former farm secretary - Anne

Hi everyone I been "sitting in" on this list for some time now and it's really time I shared my interests in the Hawkesbury area. I am a very distant relative of Marilyn through the Hulberts of Biddestone. My paternal grandfather was Ernest Samuel SCRATON, and most of his maternal ancestors came from the Wotton-under-Edge area. Surnames include ORCHARD, WEBB, ILES, HAWKINS, SMITH. Charles Frederick WEBB was one of my 4 x gt grandfathers. He was born in North Nibley in about 1778. I am descended from his second marriage to Lydia Iles. Charles' first wife was Virgin CLARKE; they married 26 Dec 1808 in Hawkesbury and their first child, Thomas, was baptised there in 1809. My paternal grandmother was Alice Elizabeth JOHNSON, and most of her maternal ancestors came from north west Wiltshire and over the border into Gloucestershire. Surnames include BEAK, WOODMAN, LITTLE, PRITCHARD, CHAPMAN, BLAKE, KING, GAYLER, MILSUM, DEVERELL, BRINKWORTH, TRULL, BALDWIN, SMART. Several of these lines go back to the 16th or 17th centuries. Anyone else researching these surnames? I'd love to share information. I have indexed most of my research (not quite up to date!), so if you have lost someone in this area (particularly north west Wilts) there is always a remote possibility I may have them in my indexes. best wishes Pauline PS Re the interest in TAVENDER & TAVINER - one of my relatives married a "TAVENER" in Chippenham in 1807

Dear Bob, I see you use the Tithe apportionment for HAWKESBURY, can I be so bold as to ask, "What is that?", as I have two families that seem to come from HAWKESBURY, and I am stuck at the moment in 1791. My names are DAVIS and WITTS, ROBERT DAVIS and BETTY were the Parents of JOB DAVIS, chr. in HAWKSEBURY in 1791. and JOSEPH WITTS who married ANN MALLER, but they married in GTREAT BADMINTON in 1812, although I believe that he came from HAWKESBURY. Hope you can help, Regards, Mavis Williams, Flintshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P. & A.L. Lawrence" <lawrence@hazels.u-net.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Fw: [[Hawks]] THOMPSON - COOPER > Joseph COOPER is described as a "yeoman" in 1814, and as a "farmer" in 1817 > and 1829. I have not checked the Tithe apportionment for Hawkesbury to know > if he is listed, but he died in 1833. Likewise, I have not yet checked for a > will. > > Seems there is a lot to do on this man. > > Regarding the COOPER-THOMPSON name, what documentary evidence is there that > the children used the name in this form? Is this the name they used on > marriage? They are not listed as such in the census. > > Bob Lawrence > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Geoff Brightman <LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:57 PM > Subject: [[Hawks]] THOMPSON - COOPER > > > > I have always found the relationship of Joseph COOPER and Mary THOMPSON > > interesting. It is noticeable that the first 3 offspring were given both > > last names. > > > > > > Perhaps the COOPER and THOMPSONs were more closely related than we have so > > far discovered. > > > > Memory tells me that Joseph was from a farming family > > > > Geoffro > > > > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >