It has been suggested off list that members may wish to get together at some point to share etc info and experiences etc. It has also been suggested that some of the "old folk" living in the village may be able to help in identifying relatives in old pictures and may have anecdotes about family members. What do listers think ?? Geoffro The Pond Dipper

In June 1851 Edwin SHIPWAY of Leighterton married Aletta Lovinia THOMPSON of Hawkesbury at Hawkesbury. A copy of the parish register is held. Edwin's brother had previously married Aletta's sister. Later that year they emigrated to Aus. After arriving in Aus it appears that Edwin and Aletta went their separate ways and married others. Both listing the same parents and stating bachelor/spinster. There are no records of other individuals with the same names. Extensive research has been done by a number of people into this couple. Have listers any experience of this ? Were "Marriages of Convenience" of this type normal for Gloucestershire emigrants ? Any thoughts comments wetc would be gratefully received. Geoffro The Pond Dipper

Was fortunate enough to meet Pat Adair at Gloucester record office and as a result there is some good news for some listers from Pat's trees (methinks she has an arboretum). 1 Mary Jane COOPER married Frederick Richard POOLE at Hawkesbury on 26/3/1866. 2 Pat has extensive CREWE details in her trees. 3 Also WORKMAN, BRIDGES and ALWAY. She says hi to all and will read this and other messages on her return to New Zealand on June 7th. It seems there is a new WATTS researcher whose details I am trying to obtain. Possibly with Welsh connections. Geoffro The Pond Dipper

Dear Gary, I don't know if I have written before, I apologize if I have, I just though I would say that I'm researching, DAVIS from Hawkesbury, but I only have a ROBERT DAVIS and wife BETTY (Is that ELIZABETH I ask?) having their son christened April 1791 in Hawkesbury. I have no info earlier, but wondered about your ELIZABETH? Regards, Mavis Williams, Flintshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Park" <gary.park@clear.net.nz> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 10:39 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] PARK Horwood Amos Ford Richens Powell > > Good morning from NZ. > I am looking fo the above names in Gloucester, Wiltshire area. > Daniel Horwood PARK b. abt. 1726 Hawksbury marr Elizabeth RICHENS formely > DAVIS b. 4 May 1730 Hawksbury d.10 Mar.1798 Kingswood Wiltshire. Their > children, > William b. 2 Aug.1753 d. 4 Jul. 1762. > Peter b.27 Jun. 1754.Kingswood, > William b.13 Jan. 1765 Wickwar d. 7 Feb 1832 Kingswood marr. Mary AMOS 19 > May 1791 d. 19 Nov. 1834 Wickwar, my line. > Thomas b.1 Apr. 1770 Kingswood d. 17 Jan 1853. > Edward b. 2 Sep 1773, > Mary AMOS Fa. Moses AMOS Mo. Mary POWELL. > > If there is a kind person knowing of these names and may be able to shed a > little more light on them would love to hear from you. > Kind Regards > > GARY. gary.park@clear.net.nz > > > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

Good morning from NZ. I am looking fo the above names in Gloucester, Wiltshire area. Daniel Horwood PARK b. abt. 1726 Hawksbury marr Elizabeth RICHENS formely DAVIS b. 4 May 1730 Hawksbury d.10 Mar.1798 Kingswood Wiltshire. Their children, William b. 2 Aug.1753 d. 4 Jul. 1762. Peter b.27 Jun. 1754.Kingswood, William b.13 Jan. 1765 Wickwar d. 7 Feb 1832 Kingswood marr. Mary AMOS 19 May 1791 d. 19 Nov. 1834 Wickwar, my line. Thomas b.1 Apr. 1770 Kingswood d. 17 Jan 1853. Edward b. 2 Sep 1773, Mary AMOS Fa. Moses AMOS Mo. Mary POWELL. If there is a kind person knowing of these names and may be able to shed a little more light on them would love to hear from you. Kind Regards GARY. gary.park@clear.net.nz

I have Mary MILLARD mar. 3.2.1761 at Cam to John VAISEY. My great-great-great-great-grandmother. And I know absolutely nothing else about her. Linda Victoria, Australia >______________________________X-Message: #6 >Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:37:33 +0100 >From: "robert millard" <robert.millard@btinternet.com> >To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <001d01bfb46d$dd578a80$fba701d5@l7g4p5> >Subject: [[Hawks]] HURCUM, SCULL, WHITE >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Does anyone know of any family of the following please > <SNIP, or should that be DIP???> >Thomas MILLARD c. 1865 Hill Nr Thornbury or any MILLARD Berkley or Charfield area >

Hello Listers, There has been a lot of chat about FTM CD for 1851 census. I must have been lucky because I realised from the ad that I saw that it would not be much use, having only about a million or so entries on it. The Vitals Record Index and the IGI suffer from the same problem i.e. they do not have 90% of the available data. It seems to me that if you get some information, as I did from the VRIB for the sum of about £12.00 that's not a bad exchange, bearing in mind how much time and effort and money, I would have spent going to ROs to find the same information. The 1881 census has been the best £30 I've ever spent. I decided not to buy the FTM CD because I had access to Gordon Beavington's CDs for my area. If I lived outside of Wessex however I might think that the FTM CD gave me something, even if it wasn't a lot. So for those people who live outside Gloucs/Somerset and Bristol the FTM CD might be better than nothing at all. It just depends how far away you are from the nearest RO and how prepared you are to sort through it. FTM is an excellent, easy to use piece of software. Where I take issue with the makers and back off totally is they invite us to submit our trees, the product of months and years of work, time & money, which seems fine. Then they say that to access that data and the work of others they will charge everyone, even contributors $200 per year to read the entries. That is bare-faced cheek especially when experience tells us that most of the data would be about Americans post 1800. It would be have either very dubious validity (falling a long way short of LDS standards) even if it happened to be of your own family, or would have large areas locked out with privacy labels. For the life on me I can't understand why people offer their data to a common data base then use the privacy lock! Having said all that, half a loaf may be better than no bread at all for people a long way from source materials and for whom $200 is a lot cheaper than travelling to the UK or Europe. We must all make our own minds up according to our needs. And just hope we something worthwhile out of it. Don't you think so? Brian, of Bath PS What annoys me more than the shortcomings of these commercial products, is those Listers who can't even be bothered to say thanks, when you've done some research for them. It happens in family history societies too, but at least they've got the excuse they're too mean to buy a stamp.

What a lovely friendly lot hawkesbury folk are. Tony WiLKINS has just invited me up to the Beaufort Arms for a pint and a chat. Jockey WILKINS married Eva Butcher Geoffro

By the way, if you are coming up to Hawkesbury take a look at the Blueboy. It has been renovated now and the part which held the youth club is now called Malthouse Cottage. The two buildings are two/three doors east of the Beaufort. Anne

While you are there take a look out of the window, you might see me walking past! Anne

You may be interested to know that I once lived at Blueboy House and I can remember Jockey Wilkins, indeed I do believe he is still alive and living in Cam. His brother Tony still takes brides to and from their weddings in his horse drawn carriage.

Thanks Robert, Any idea of a phone number. Geoffro ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert millard" <robert.millard@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] Jockey WILKINS > which Jockey Wilkins? There were two father and son this must be the elder > jnr is Anthony (Tony) WILKINS he is alive and kicking and still into horses > currently living localy his perents lived near Hewetts Piece Hawkesbury > Father was either a Jockey or called so because of his stature and love of > horses > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Brightman" <LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 2:46 PM > Subject: [[Hawks]] Jockey WILKINS > > > > The THOMPSON tribe are currently attempting to discover information about > > Lillian THOMPSON. > > > > Is is thought that she may have married one "Jockey" WILKINS. > > > > Jockey , "A monument to Hawkesbury" tells us on page 49 used to be called > > Lord Leather by the boys and ran a youth club upstairs at the Blue Boy pub > > with boxing, quoits, cards and organised games. > > > > Does anybody rememebr Jockey WILKINS or have him in their trees. Does > > anybody knwo of his wife ? > > > > Geoffro > > "The Pond Dipper" > > > > > > ============================== > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

The THOMPSON tribe are currently attempting to discover information about Lillian THOMPSON. Is is thought that she may have married one "Jockey" WILKINS. Jockey , "A monument to Hawkesbury" tells us on page 49 used to be called Lord Leather by the boys and ran a youth club upstairs at the Blue Boy pub with boxing, quoits, cards and organised games. Does anybody rememebr Jockey WILKINS or have him in their trees. Does anybody knwo of his wife ? Geoffro "The Pond Dipper"

No. -----Original Message----- From: AS11648@aol.com [mailto:AS11648@aol.com] Sent: 04 May 2000 16:33 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] RE: [[Hawks]] Joseph COOK Hi Brian, are you Brian of Cookes Removals?? ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Hi Brian, are you Brian of Cookes Removals??

Hello, A Cook family descendant chipping in! It could also have been Joseph Cook b. 1781 who married Mary Rannolls. Same age as the Joseph you mention (whose origins I can't find.) Brian, Bath -----Original Message----- From: R.P. & A.L. Lawrence [mailto:lawrence@hazels.u-net.com] Sent: 03 May 2000 23:55 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] Joseph COOK Regarding the mystery of the Joseph COOK/Mary THOMPSON bastardy order of 1802, I found the following in the Gordon Beavington index to the 1851 census. This Joseph would have been the right age for a youthful indiscretion in 1802. 82 COOK Joseph 70 farmer 91 ac Hawkesbury Mary 58 Upton Ann 20 Upton John 18 Upton Sarah 15 Hawkesbury MARLING Henry Servant 20 Miserdine Bob Lawrence ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

At 04:42 PM 29/4/2000 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, I'm new to this list. >Is there anyone else researching COLLINS ? I have ancestors going back to >this area of GLS. My 5g grandfather was Thomas Collins born around 1725. I >have found a possible link to a Thomas Collins born in Tortworth to William >Collins, but there are big gaps in the parish records. Does anyone know >much about Tortworth at this time ? Is there a graveyard in existence going >back to that date ? > > >Terry Collins >Perth, Australia > G'day Terry I compile an index of GLS born people who arrived Australia pre 1888. I'm afraid I can't help you with 1725, but if you have ancestors who qualify for my index I would love to add them; I enclose a blank record sheet just in case. I am enclosing a blank record form for my db. I would be grateful if you would fill in what details you know, one for each GLS born person who came to AUS pre 1888. Brief details of spouses, children not born in GLS or born after arrival in Oz go in the Comments field. I will tag the entries with your name and address (snail mail is recommended) as a researcher and be in touch should further information come to light. Regards, Kaye GLOUCESTERSHIRE ARRIVALS IN AUSTRALIA Compiled by Kaye Purnell SURNAME: FIRST NAME(S): NATIVE PLACE: BORN/BAPTISED: AGE: OCCUPATION: RELIGION: STATUS: ARRIVED: FATHER: TRADE: MOTHER: DIED: SOURCE: COMMENTS: RELATIVES: Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

I have this Isaac & Ann in my tree. Judging by the names I think they are the same family. Sarah Georgina is my 2nd gt grandmother. 1-Isaac CHAPPLE b: abt 1776, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire sp: Ann MILLS b: abt 1801, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, m: 16 Jun 1821, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire |--2-Elizabeth CHAPPLE b: abt 1824, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, bap: 28 Jul | 1844, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire |--2-Sarah Ann CHAPPLE b: abt 1827, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, bap: 28 Jul | 1844, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire |--2-James CHAPPLE b: abt 1831, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, bap: 22 Sep 1844, | Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire |--2-Mary CHAPPLE b: abt 1834, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, bap: 28 Jul 1844, | Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire | sp: Unknown | |--3-Sarah Georgina CHAPPLE bap: 4 Aug 1861, St.Giles, Hillesley, | | Gloucestershire | sp: George MILSOM b: 10 Dec 1863, Tresham, Gloucestershire, m: 10 Nov | 1881, Register Office, Bristol, par: Joseph MILSOM and Ann STINCHCOMB |--2-Thomas CHAPPLE bap: 28 Jul 1844, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire Regards, Adrian Sheppard Campbell, California, USA mailto:ade@3dfx.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adesheppard -----Original Message----- From: robert millard [mailto:robert.millard@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 6:00 PM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL Thanks Bob Lawrence for info on Isaac and Ann CHAPPELL I thought I had the dates wrong for the marriage as I have:- WILLIAM HENRY 1856 SARAH ANN 1844 JAMES 1844 twins THOMAS christened earlier 1844 GEORGE , 1850 ALFRED 28 NOV 1852 ELIZABETH ???? MARY ???? WILLIAM HENRY CHAPPELL is my great grandfather It seems they took thier time getting married I wonder why? thanks again Robert Millard ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

170/OV - 5/2/31 24/1/1802 Mary THOMPSON delivered on 15/9/1800 a ,ale bastard child and Joseph COOK of Hawkesbury, Labourer, father. Question is which Mary was it ? The child was I think probably Moses THOMSPON. Geoffro

on 3/05/2000 11:55 pm, R.P. & A.L. Lawrence at lawrence@hazels.u-net.com wrote: > Regarding the mystery of the Joseph COOK/Mary THOMPSON bastardy order of 1802, Bob, Could you detail the connection of Joseph COOK? I haven't seen the order. I assume from your post that Joseph is named as father. Is the child named? Doug Thompson