At 07:31 PM 11/5/2000 +0100, you wrote: >In June 1851 Edwin SHIPWAY of Leighterton married Aletta Lovinia THOMPSON of >Hawkesbury at Hawkesbury. A copy of the parish register is held. > >Edwin's brother had previously married Aletta's sister. > >Later that year they emigrated to Aus. > >After arriving in Aus it appears that Edwin and Aletta went their separate >ways and married others. Both listing the same parents and stating >bachelor/spinster. > >There are no records of other individuals with the same names. Extensive >research has been done by a number of people into this couple. > >Have listers any experience of this ? > >Were "Marriages of Convenience" of this type normal for Gloucestershire >emigrants ? > >Any thoughts comments wetc would be gratefully received. > >Geoffro >The Pond Dipper > G'day Strangely enough I found another example just this week among another entry on my GLS Immigrants to Oz Index. Here the couple from Horsley emigrated to Sydney under the Bounty Scheme in 1839; they were both very young - groom 19, bride 18. Evidence of marriage has not been looked for but they definitely came as a married couple. Groom married again in 1841, bride in 1842. There is absolutely no doubt that this is the same couple as their parents' names are given on emigration and again on death. I have not checked the groom's remarriage yet but the bride definitely said she was a spinster when she remarried. I suggested to the descendant that a) the pair may have been more acceptable as emigrants as a married couple (or may have felt they would be) or b) there was opposition to their emigration separately (perhaps because of their age) which they overcame by marrying. I always suggest to descendants that they should be wary of information given by emigrants about themselves on emigration if it was the kind that could have affected either their suitability as emigrants or the level of fare they may have had to pay. That is, it may have been unlikely that emigrants would lie about their mother's name or their birthplace; but they may well have told fibs about their age, marital status, occupation or the ages of their chn if it meant the difference between being able to emigrate cheaply or not being able to emigrate at all. I have many other examples of married men (and women) emigrating as single people (women sometimes under their maiden names) under cheap assisted fares and then bringing their spouse/chn out by paying for them themselves once they could afford it; or even waiting a number of years until the chn were eligible for emigration themselves as adults. Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

Dear Ed, I saw you message, and thought I would write to you as my ancestors came from HAWKESBURY, ROBERT DAVIS and his wife BETTY, their son JOB was christened at HAWKESBURY in April 1791, then JOB moved to GREAT BADMINTON, where with his son WILLIAM worked for the DUKE of BEAUFORT at BADMINTON as GROOMS. How long they were in HAWKESBURY, I don't know. WILLIAM married JA(Y)NE MARY WITTS from GREAT BADMINTON I think. Did your relation work for the Duke? Anyway I just thought I would welcome you to the List, they are very helpful. Happy Hunting! Regards, Mavis Williams, Flintshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Sinker" <Edward@sinker.greatxscape.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 9:36 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] GUNNING > Hi, > > Geoff Brightman just contacted me to let me know that > there was a Hawkesbury list, so I thought that I would > subscribe and introduce myself. > > It is my wife who has the Hawkesbury connection through > her great-grandmother, Louisa GUNNING. She was > actually born in Marshfield, Glos., in 1859 along with her > twin sister Emily. Those of you with the 1881 Census CDs > will find their parents, William Gunning & Sarah residing > on Hillsley Street, Hawkesbury with Louisa. He was a > Groom. > > We don't know what became of William & Sarah Gunning. > My wife and I visited Hawkesbury churchyard to have a look > around and did not find them but then we didn't really think > that we would be that lucky. > > In the 1881 Census Emily Gunning can be found at 120 > Warwick St., St. George, Hanover Square, London, working > as a housemaid. We know that Emily married a George > WATTS 1863-1943 and lived in London. We don't know > where George came from. He might be connected to a Mary > Watts who was also at the same address in the 1881 census > or maybe she met him while visiting home in Hawkesbury. > I would appreciate hearing from anyone who knows of a > WATTS from Hawkesbury who might fit. > > We know that Louisa Gunning followed her sister to London > and married a chap from Kent. > > We don't know how long the Gunnings lived in Hawkesbury or > anything about their activities there. If anyone comes across > information about them my wife and her mother would be > very interested in learning about it. > > By the way, we thought that the Hawkesbury church was in a > lovely situation and whoever maintains the Yew hedges > deserves a medal. - Ed > > > > > > > > > > Edward Coates Sinker > Church Lea > Bosbury, Herefordshire HR8 1PX > UK > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

This is just a registration of interest- the connection between my own family - the HULBERTs and the WATTS family is something I have known about for many years but only proved in the last 2 weeks (thanks to someone on this list pointing out I'd missed yet another spelling variation for my family name). My great great aunt JANE HULBERT married Thomas Amos Watts in 1872 and had a son called George. This is obviously too late to be yours, and unfortunately the WATTS family(s) were fairly widespread in Hawkesbury and surrounds at the time - they need some work which needs time I don't currently have. However when I get time at home (where all my research is) I will see if I can be more constructive. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Sinker" <Edward@sinker.greatxscape.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 9:36 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] GUNNING > Hi, > << snip >> > In the 1881 Census Emily Gunning can be found at 120 > Warwick St., St. George, Hanover Square, London, working > as a housemaid. We know that Emily married a George > WATTS 1863-1943 and lived in London. We don't know > where George came from. He might be connected to a Mary > Watts who was also at the same address in the 1881 census > or maybe she met him while visiting home in Hawkesbury. > I would appreciate hearing from anyone who knows of a > WATTS from Hawkesbury who might fit.<< snip >>

Hi Hawksbury Listers, Does any body know of the names PARK / HORWOOD / AMOS / FORD / POWELL. all Wickwar Kingswood and Hawksbury regions. Daniel Horwood PARK marr.Elizabeth RICHENS formely DAVIS 1750 at Hawksbury, Elizabeth is buried at Kingswood by Wooten Under Edge, and pressume Daniel is too. A son William b. 1765 Wickwar marr. Mary AMOS 1791 She b. 1764 Wickwar, both buried at Wickwar. Mary's Fa. Moses AMOS Mo. Mary POWELL Would like to find Daniel Horwood parents. Is there so kind person that could help me out please. Gary gary.park@clear.net.nz

The War Memorial was unveiled at 3pm on Sunday 8th August 1920. These are the names that appear on it from then. Lionel ANDREWS William BENNETT Fred BLEAKEN Wilfred W BLEAKEN William BLEAKEN Charles BUTLER Reginald J CARTER Stephen G CARTER William CLARK EdwarD COOMBS Arthur C COX Fred CREW Sidney DEACON Tom B DIX Ernest EAMER George EAMER Charles GARDENER Colin GOULDING George M HEMSLEY William R HOLBOROW George HOWELL John MILLARD Herbert J NIBLETT Edward PERKS Walter STINCHCOMBE Albert TANDY Ivor THOMPSON Ernest TOWNSEND William G TUCK George A WAITE Fred WHITING

Hi, Geoff Brightman just contacted me to let me know that there was a Hawkesbury list, so I thought that I would subscribe and introduce myself. It is my wife who has the Hawkesbury connection through her great-grandmother, Louisa GUNNING. She was actually born in Marshfield, Glos., in 1859 along with her twin sister Emily. Those of you with the 1881 Census CDs will find their parents, William Gunning & Sarah residing on Hillsley Street, Hawkesbury with Louisa. He was a Groom. We don't know what became of William & Sarah Gunning. My wife and I visited Hawkesbury churchyard to have a look around and did not find them but then we didn't really think that we would be that lucky. In the 1881 Census Emily Gunning can be found at 120 Warwick St., St. George, Hanover Square, London, working as a housemaid. We know that Emily married a George WATTS 1863-1943 and lived in London. We don't know where George came from. He might be connected to a Mary Watts who was also at the same address in the 1881 census or maybe she met him while visiting home in Hawkesbury. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who knows of a WATTS from Hawkesbury who might fit. We know that Louisa Gunning followed her sister to London and married a chap from Kent. We don't know how long the Gunnings lived in Hawkesbury or anything about their activities there. If anyone comes across information about them my wife and her mother would be very interested in learning about it. By the way, we thought that the Hawkesbury church was in a lovely situation and whoever maintains the Yew hedges deserves a medal. - Ed Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury, Herefordshire HR8 1PX UK

Also the road which runs from the A46 into Hawkesbury is known as France Lane, and the little hamlet between the A46 and the village is known as Brittain Bottom.

If no one comes back to you on this one as they have the info already please let me know. I live locally to Hawkesbury and would be happy to let you have the names off the war memorial. Anne

And I remember that in the church there is a copy of an April, May or June 1916 edition of the Bristol Times which lists all those Hawkesbury people involved in the war. I am waiting to get into the church again so I can get the date so that I can get a copy from Bristol Records Office ro library Geoffro

Last November I photographed the memorial and started downloading the info relating to the names from the CWGC site. Lost it all at Xmas though in the disaster. However I still have the list of names and will post later today......when I find it Geoffro

RE THE NAMES ON WAR MEMORIAL . When we have a get together checkout the picture in the village hall it gives a list of names and picures of the individuals it used to hang in the original hall built opposite the original as a hospital for the soldiers. whilst on the subject of wars I was told as a child there was a French prisoner of war camp on the A46 just before turning into village, from the Napolionic wars hence the hamlets name Petty (petite)France there is also Dunkirk close by has anyone come across any reference to this. Robert Millard ----- Original Message ----- From: <Janwils77@aol.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 9:27 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] Listers Get together ??????? > Put me down on your list for a 'Listers Get Together', I like the suggestion. > > Have you had any luck with Hawkesbury School re their school registers? > > I also have another suggestion, could someone record the names on the War > Memorial in Hawkesbury Upton and make them available to listers as I found 2 > people recorded there that I have since added to my family tree. I thought it > might be another useful piece of information for Hawkesbury listers. The two > names I discovered I then fed into The Commonwealth War Graves Commission web > site and bingo it told me the name and address of the parents. Sadly one of > the young men,I have since discovered, lied about his age in order to go to > war but then this was not uncommon and the parents George and Susannah Carter > lost 2 sons within 6 months of each other. > > > Janet > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Put me down on your list for a 'Listers Get Together', I like the suggestion. Have you had any luck with Hawkesbury School re their school registers? I also have another suggestion, could someone record the names on the War Memorial in Hawkesbury Upton and make them available to listers as I found 2 people recorded there that I have since added to my family tree. I thought it might be another useful piece of information for Hawkesbury listers. The two names I discovered I then fed into The Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site and bingo it told me the name and address of the parents. Sadly one of the young men,I have since discovered, lied about his age in order to go to war but then this was not uncommon and the parents George and Susannah Carter lost 2 sons within 6 months of each other. Janet

Hi listers Anybody out there know of Amy Watts believed born Hawkesbury 1890 1900 married George Millard of Hill about 1925 found possable grave in old Charfield church both Buried same day?around 1952 thanks Robert Millard

Many thanks to both Brian and Adrian for the info. Looks like the grass will have to wait.

Apologies, 'Norton Colepark' should read 'Norton Coleparle'. Regards, Adrian Sheppard mailto:ade@3dfx.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adesheppard -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Sheppard [mailto:ade@3dfx.com] Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 12:03 AM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] RE: [[Hawks]] MILSOM Here is some MILSOM information I have from the Hawkesbury Bishops Transcript (they can also be found in the online IGI) ... 1745 Sep 15 John PINCOTT & Elizabeth MILSOME both of this parish married by banns. 1720 Jun 5 Elizabeth dau of Jacob MILSOM baptised 1722 Feb 4 Thomas son of Jacob MILSOM baptised 1717/18 Mar 17 Mary dau of Jacob MILSOM baptised 1717 May 8 Jacob MILSOM & Mary NEAL of this parish, married by banns I also have a Jacob MILSOM who was baptised 28 Jun 1691, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire to a Thomas & Ann MILSOM who is a good candidate for the Jacob above. Here is the family... 1-Thomas MILSHAM bur: 9 Apr 1710, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire sp: Ann, Wife of Thomas MILSHAM bur: 5 Apr 1693, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-Henry MILSHAM bap: 14 May 1674, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-Edith MILSHAM bap: 6 Mar 1674/75, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-Isaac MILSOME bap: 21 Feb 1687/88, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-Jacob MILSOM bap: 28 Jun 1691, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-William MILSHAM bur: 16 Apr 1702, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire Regards, Adrian Sheppard mailto:ade@3dfx.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adesheppard -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Brightman [mailto:geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:45 AM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] MILSOM It is time for the Pond Dipper to reopen the MILSOM enquiry line. I received information in the post this morning from Australia showing a marriage of Elizabeth MILSOM to John PINCOTT. This means that this Elizabeth MILSOM is the 5th Great Grandmother of list member Tony James as wll as being the 5th Great Grand uncle Dawn THOMPSON (my partner) and of 2 other list members Marilyn and Doug. So do our MILSOM researchers know more of Elizabeth ???? Geoffro The Pond Dipper ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Here is some MILSOM information I have from the Hawkesbury Bishops Transcript (they can also be found in the online IGI) ... 1745 Sep 15 John PINCOTT & Elizabeth MILSOME both of this parish married by banns. 1720 Jun 5 Elizabeth dau of Jacob MILSOM baptised 1722 Feb 4 Thomas son of Jacob MILSOM baptised 1717/18 Mar 17 Mary dau of Jacob MILSOM baptised 1717 May 8 Jacob MILSOM & Mary NEAL of this parish, married by banns I also have a Jacob MILSOM who was baptised 28 Jun 1691, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire to a Thomas & Ann MILSOM who is a good candidate for the Jacob above. Here is the family... 1-Thomas MILSHAM bur: 9 Apr 1710, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire sp: Ann, Wife of Thomas MILSHAM bur: 5 Apr 1693, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-Henry MILSHAM bap: 14 May 1674, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-Edith MILSHAM bap: 6 Mar 1674/75, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-Isaac MILSOME bap: 21 Feb 1687/88, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-Jacob MILSOM bap: 28 Jun 1691, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire 2-William MILSHAM bur: 16 Apr 1702, Norton Colepark, Wiltshire Regards, Adrian Sheppard mailto:ade@3dfx.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adesheppard -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Brightman [mailto:geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:45 AM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] MILSOM It is time for the Pond Dipper to reopen the MILSOM enquiry line. I received information in the post this morning from Australia showing a marriage of Elizabeth MILSOM to John PINCOTT. This means that this Elizabeth MILSOM is the 5th Great Grandmother of list member Tony James as wll as being the 5th Great Grand uncle Dawn THOMPSON (my partner) and of 2 other list members Marilyn and Doug. So do our MILSOM researchers know more of Elizabeth ???? Geoffro The Pond Dipper ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

One date is 19th October 1763 at Hawkesbury. From PRs. This I've attributed to Matthew One. Still looking for the other, which lies in a notebook, unallocated. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Brightman [mailto:LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 11 May 2000 23:04 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] PINCOTT Some time ago Brian Morgan wrote :- " I made this assumption from finding two Matthew Pincott burials at Hawkesbury." Could you post the details of both these burials please Brian ? Many thanks Geoffro The Pond Dipper ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

At long last the mystery of Ann CURTIS PINCOTT has ben solved. Wake up Tony James this is for you hoo. Ann CURTIS PINCOTT was the daughter of Samuel PINCOTT and Abigail CURTIS who married at Iron Acton on the 18th of July 1790. More later Geoffro

It is time for the Pond Dipper to reopen the MILSOM enquiry line. I received information in the post this morning from Australia showing a marriage of Elizabeth MILSOM to John PINCOTT. This means that this Elizabeth MILSOM is the 5th Great Grandmother of list member Tony James as wll as being the 5th Great Grand uncle Dawn THOMPSON (my partner) and of 2 other list members Marilyn and Doug. So do our MILSOM researchers know more of Elizabeth ???? Geoffro The Pond Dipper

Some time ago Brian Morgan wrote :- " I made this assumption from finding two Matthew Pincott burials at Hawkesbury." Could you post the details of both these burials please Brian ? Many thanks Geoffro The Pond Dipper