Geoffro, Marilyn and others, One of my American contacts is questioning the parentage of Isaac THOMPSON - the one who is father of Rhodalina and Allette Lovina. The 1851 census has his age given as 57, implying birthdate ca. 1794 There are three Isaac THOMPSONs that fit the timeframe 1. Christened October 19 1794 s/o William and Jane Chipping Sodby 2. Born September 15, 1795 s/o William and Anne Hawkesbury Hillsley St. Baptist 3. Christened December 1790 s/o Samuel and Jane Hawkesbury. Why do we believe that 3 is correct, despite the birthdate discrepancy? Can anyone remember? Doug Thompson

Listers may well have noticed that from time to time we are given tremendous insight into the life of the village our ancestors came from from a lady we only know as "Anne" who uses the email address AS11648@aol Who is our annoymous helper ? Could she perhaps be an Anne Patricia STINCHCOMB(E) or even a Patricia Anne ? Was she born on the 11th of June 1948 ? If so happy birthday or maybe she has American links and was born on the January the 16th. Will she reveal all ? or will she remain our anonymous guardian angel ? Time may tell Geoffro The Pond Dipper -

Hi Anne do you have interests in Perks family , or from Hawkesbury . I was told one PERKS lost 4 sons in first war My Grandfathers sister Fanny CHAPPELL married Nathan PERKS thats one connection. which made my sister already related to her husband before they married. ----- Original Message ----- From: <AS11648@aol.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL > If you are researching the Perks family you will have fun as there was a > family in the village of Hawkesbury in the early part of this century which > had 24 children (twice) this is a saying in the village. What it actually > means is that there were 24 children and then one died, there was then > another birth to bring the total back up to 24!! > > Anne > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

Hi Thanks for replys there were at least 4 Isaac CHAPPELL's in hawkesbury at same time the father and son are the one's I have initial interest in but I think because of this there seems to be a lot of confusion . As I see it Isaac b.1795 Oldbury On Hill senior moves to Hawkesbury he has a son Isaac with his wife Jane and four other children, There is also another Isaac born at Hawkesbury circa 1779 and a child born to Mary CHAPPEL and father George WIMBOW also named Isaac CHAPPEL, Based on the fact I know the Isaac senior was b.1795 he must have married about 1818 his son Isaac was born 1820 I know this to be his son because in census they live next door to each other at 7 & 8 the Row and senior has grandson Henry CHAPPELL in house at time of census, and birth dates tally. Isaac junior is listed as having parents Isaac & Jane hence I know of Jane in 1849 Isaac junior marries Ann TAVINDER at Hawkesbury, but just to confuse matters Isaac senior marries Elizabeth Gingell. In 184! 1 cencus Jane has either run off with a fancy man or died as she is not living with Isaac senior. in later cencus Isaac and son are at Tresham in different houses Isaac senior is namning his wife Bessey (Elizabeth).later Isaac junior's son William is living in Park St Hawkesbury married to Annie Elizabeth WHITE. Nice to see Hawkesbury on PC again Robert.

Hi Thanks for replys there were at least 4 Isaac CHAPPELL's in hawkesbury at same time the father and son are the one's I have initial interest in but I think because of this there seems to be a lot of confusion . As I see it Isaac b.1795 Oldbury On Hill senior moves to Hawkesbury he has a son Isaac with his wife Jane and four other children, There is also another Isaac born at Hawkesbury circa 1779 and a child born to Mary CHAPPEL and father George WIMBOW also named Isaac CHAPPEL, Based on the fact I know the Isaac senior was b.1795 he must have married about 1818 his son Isaac was born 1820 I know this to be his son because in census they live next door to each other at 7 & 8 the Row and senior has grandson Henry CHAPPELL in house at time of census, and birth dates tally. Isaac junior is listed as having parents Isaac & Jane hence I know of Jane in 1849 Isaac junior marries Ann TAVINDER at Hawkesbury, but just to confuse matters Isaac senior marries Elizabeth Gingell. In 184! 1 cencus Jane has either run off with a fancy man or died as she is not living with Isaac senior. in later cencus Isaac and son are at Tresham in different houses Isaac senior is namning his wife Bessey (Elizabeth).later Isaac junior's son William is living in Park St Hawkesbury married to Annie Elizabeth WHITE. Nice to see Hawkesbury on PC again Robert.

The ISAAC family were having christenings as far back as the start of the 18th century at Hawkesbury. Isaac ISAAC was not the only one called this. There was also William Isaac ISAAC who married Ellen HALL in 1859 Geoffro The Pond Dipper ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P. & A.L. Lawrence" <lawrence@hazels.u-net.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 6:14 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL > Hi all > > There are, of course, TWO Isaac CHAPPELS in the 1851 census. Sorry , I > confused them because they both had wives named Ann. Were they father and > son? If so, the younger Isaac would have been born in about 1821/22, and > said he was born in Hawkesbury. > > Incidentally, the Glos 1851 CD has someone in Hawkesbury with the name Isaac > ISAAC. > > Bob Lawrence > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robert millard <robert.millard@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:05 PM > Subject: [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL > > > > Hi Listers > > Trying to fill in some gaps > > trying to find the where abouts of > > Richard CHAPPELL b.27 sept 1795 Oldbury-On-Hill after 1820 also his wife > Ann(STOCKWELL)29 MAY 1768 > > Isaac CHAPPELL Richards son married Ann ???? and moved to Hawkesbury they > have 5 children Isaac later marries Elizabeth Gingell at Hawkesbury who > already has two daughters Eliza b.1835 Jane b.1838, > > On glos 1851 cencus CD Isaac is listed as b. Hawkesbury Elizabeth > (GINGELL) b. Oldbury-On-Hill I am sure this is wrong way around I am sure > this is the right Isaac as his Grandson Henry is list at same address. > > trying to find out > > 1/ Jane first wife's surname and where married > > 2/ Elizabeth GINGELL's first marrage and her maiden name > > 3/ what happened to the two girls Eliza and Jane > > also interested in > > Hawkesbury > > PERKS > > WHITE > > TAVINDER > > COTES > > FAULKENER (FLORENCE) poss connected to WICKS > > Tormarton Old Sodbury > > HURCUM > > PRATLEY > > SCULL > > CHANDLER > > Badminton > > FREEGARD > > > > many thanks > > Robert Millard. > > > > > > ============================== > > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi all There are, of course, TWO Isaac CHAPPELS in the 1851 census. Sorry , I confused them because they both had wives named Ann. Were they father and son? If so, the younger Isaac would have been born in about 1821/22, and said he was born in Hawkesbury. Incidentally, the Glos 1851 CD has someone in Hawkesbury with the name Isaac ISAAC. Bob Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: robert millard <robert.millard@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL > Hi Listers > Trying to fill in some gaps > trying to find the where abouts of > Richard CHAPPELL b.27 sept 1795 Oldbury-On-Hill after 1820 also his wife Ann(STOCKWELL)29 MAY 1768 > Isaac CHAPPELL Richards son married Ann ???? and moved to Hawkesbury they have 5 children Isaac later marries Elizabeth Gingell at Hawkesbury who already has two daughters Eliza b.1835 Jane b.1838, > On glos 1851 cencus CD Isaac is listed as b. Hawkesbury Elizabeth (GINGELL) b. Oldbury-On-Hill I am sure this is wrong way around I am sure this is the right Isaac as his Grandson Henry is list at same address. > trying to find out > 1/ Jane first wife's surname and where married > 2/ Elizabeth GINGELL's first marrage and her maiden name > 3/ what happened to the two girls Eliza and Jane > also interested in > Hawkesbury > PERKS > WHITE > TAVINDER > COTES > FAULKENER (FLORENCE) poss connected to WICKS > Tormarton Old Sodbury > HURCUM > PRATLEY > SCULL > CHANDLER > Badminton > FREEGARD > > many thanks > Robert Millard. > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > >

Robert I have Isaac CHAPPEL married to Ann TAVENDER at Hawkesbury on 11 October 1849. From the 1851 census, they would appear to have had a son George born about September 1850. In 1881, they were living at High Street, Hawkesbury, with Isaac recorded as a farm labourer. Living with them was a son James [age 23, Boot maker, born Hawkesbury]. Ann TAVENDER was baptised 29 September 1822, the youngest daughter of John Tavender and Hester nee COTES. She was the sister of my gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth TAVENDER who married (1) Thomas Cooper and (2) Charles TOGHILL. Does that make sense with what you have got? I have other information about the TAVENDER children which I would be happy to pass on. What names do you have for other children of Isaac and Ann? When do you think Isaac married Elizabeth GINGELL? In the 1881 census, Isaac says he was born at Hawkesbury, as he did in 1851. Bob Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: robert millard <robert.millard@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL > Hi Listers > Trying to fill in some gaps > trying to find the where abouts of > Richard CHAPPELL b.27 sept 1795 Oldbury-On-Hill after 1820 also his wife Ann(STOCKWELL)29 MAY 1768 > Isaac CHAPPELL Richards son married Ann ???? and moved to Hawkesbury they have 5 children Isaac later marries Elizabeth Gingell at Hawkesbury who already has two daughters Eliza b.1835 Jane b.1838, > On glos 1851 cencus CD Isaac is listed as b. Hawkesbury Elizabeth (GINGELL) b. Oldbury-On-Hill I am sure this is wrong way around I am sure this is the right Isaac as his Grandson Henry is list at same address. > trying to find out > 1/ Jane first wife's surname and where married > 2/ Elizabeth GINGELL's first marrage and her maiden name > 3/ what happened to the two girls Eliza and Jane > also interested in > Hawkesbury > PERKS > WHITE > TAVINDER > COTES > FAULKENER (FLORENCE) poss connected to WICKS > Tormarton Old Sodbury > HURCUM > PRATLEY > SCULL > CHANDLER > Badminton > FREEGARD > > many thanks > Robert Millard. > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > >

Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "Perk Up" One wonders what this particular PERKS did for a living ? Thank you Anne for sharing that with us. Certainly made me smile. Geoffro The Pond Dipper ----- Original Message ----- From: <AS11648@aol.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] CHAPPELL > If you are researching the Perks family you will have fun as there was a > family in the village of Hawkesbury in the early part of this century which > had 24 children (twice) this is a saying in the village. What it actually > means is that there were 24 children and then one died, there was then > another birth to bring the total back up to 24!! > > Anne > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

This is quite possible as there is an Isaac family still in the village. Anne

It is about time you lot heard from me. My apologies if I have been neglecting you. Have been up to my eyes in Australina paperwork and have as a result severe eye, head, neck and eveything else ache. Wallet ache too at the end of the month when the phone bills start arriving. Anyway to business - Hi Robert hope you and yours are well. Each time I phone your fax kicks in. Isaac according to the 51 census is not a youngster. So it is possible that it is he that married Ann MILLS at Hawkesbury on the 16th of June 1821. The next marriage is in 1849 at Hawkesbury so hopefully this will give you her fathers name. Next up Eliza (boy I have had fun with this lot this afternoon). The online IGI under the Hawkesbury "C" batch number gives a christening of the 14th Feb 1836 as a child of Isaac and Elizabeth GINGELL. Now I have a feeling from memory that the vicar at Hawkesbury at the time was in the habit of putting the mothers maiden name in the register. Fortunately Eliza was fairly easy to find in 1881 where she was living with her husband George and their children at Hainses, (Berkeley) Hamfallow (and before you ask I've no idea where that is). The online IGI gives the marriage date as 22nd February 1860 at Berkeley. That marriage certificate will of course give you her dad's name (hopefully though he is dead by then he won't just be recorded as deceased). So its become a job of tracking down an Isaac GINGELL on the death registers and with a bit of luck he will have survived into the summer of 37 when registration came in. More parish register searchers after that looking for the marriage. Maybe his tombstone if there is one will have a clue. Now this is where my brain really starts to wake up......Is Jane GINGELL really a GINGELL ? Is she perhaps Jane CHAPPELL and a niece or other relative of some sort to Isaac CHAPPELL. There is an Jane CHAPPELL christened in 1838 who isn't at home with her parents in 1851. I wonder if this could be one of Gordon's transcription errros. We know there are some. It could be a enumerators error. Or something else. Hope all this gives you some clues Robert. Happy Hunting Geoffro The Pond Dipper

Hi Listers Trying to fill in some gaps trying to find the where abouts of Richard CHAPPELL b.27 sept 1795 Oldbury-On-Hill after 1820 also his wife Ann(STOCKWELL)29 MAY 1768 Isaac CHAPPELL Richards son married Ann ???? and moved to Hawkesbury they have 5 children Isaac later marries Elizabeth Gingell at Hawkesbury who already has two daughters Eliza b.1835 Jane b.1838, On glos 1851 cencus CD Isaac is listed as b. Hawkesbury Elizabeth (GINGELL) b. Oldbury-On-Hill I am sure this is wrong way around I am sure this is the right Isaac as his Grandson Henry is list at same address. trying to find out 1/ Jane first wife's surname and where married 2/ Elizabeth GINGELL's first marrage and her maiden name 3/ what happened to the two girls Eliza and Jane also interested in Hawkesbury PERKS WHITE TAVINDER COTES FAULKENER (FLORENCE) poss connected to WICKS Tormarton Old Sodbury HURCUM PRATLEY SCULL CHANDLER Badminton FREEGARD many thanks Robert Millard.

If you are researching the Perks family you will have fun as there was a family in the village of Hawkesbury in the early part of this century which had 24 children (twice) this is a saying in the village. What it actually means is that there were 24 children and then one died, there was then another birth to bring the total back up to 24!! Anne

Hi Geffro, I am not sure who you have sent the AMOS name to, but I will claim them. Thank you very much for looking them up, they will all be related. Kind Regards From the Sunny Bay of Plenty 20oC. we are in for a shock as winter is upon us. Gary gary.park@clear.net.nz

The Stinchcomb family is still represented in Hawkesbury as is the Stinchombe family.

Geoffro, Does this index still exist somewhere on the Web? I tried the link you gave in an old message but it no longer works. I seem to remember seeing some STINCHCOMB references in it when I first had a look back in March. Thanks, Adrian Sheppard mailto:ade@3dfx.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adesheppard -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Brightman [mailto:LWYouthForum@lwwp.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 10:18 AM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] AT LAST THE INDEX Finally after what feels like years of work I have now posted the index of documents at GRO, SRO and the PRO relating to Hawkesbury. Many thnaks go to HLHS who own the work. Feel free to use the index but if copying any of it please acknowledge HLHS and this list. If you don't and I find out then it is a pond dipping for you. The find command alsow wroks so I suggest you use this unless you cant sleep. Remember to us any and all known name variants and even try making up some new ones. It may take a while to load but it si worth the wait. There is a WICKS in there and a couple of CORNOKE's. Could those with CORNOCK please post their interests and knowledge of a new lister please. Happy hunting. Geoffro ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Whilst browsing the GLS GENUKI pages I came across AMOS Benjamin Turner Wickwar AMOS Gabriel Gent Chipping Sodbury AMOS Moses Cooper Wickwar AMOS Samuel Plasterer/Tiler Chipping Sodbury AMOS William Boot & Shoe Maker Iron-Acton in Pigots 1830 for GLS Hope it helps Geoffro The Pond Dipper

>Dave Hedges wrote :- >Does anyone have connections with any of the following STINCHCOMBE > >siblings >from Hawkesbury Parish. Their father was probably Daniel but not 100% >sure >yet (perhaps someone can help verify) David, I've just starting looking at my STINCHCOMB line again and from a combination of looking at old messages in this list and my browsing of the LDS web site I came across this ancestral file that is probably of interest to you. http://www.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=47878940 Below is what I have compiled from the IGI on my STINCHCOMB line. I have two possible baptisms for Nicholas... 22 Feb 1699 Nicholas son of Thomas STINCHCOM 12 Dec 1701 Nich son of John STINCHCOM If anyone can help me narrow the selection down I would really appreciate it. I would also be interested in any futher information anyone has on Hester MALLARD daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth. I've been unable to find the marriage of Joseph & Elizabeth although I have found 8 siblings of Hester's, all baptised in Hawkesbury. Also looking for any information of the marriage of Daniel STINCHCOMB & Sarah about 1763. 1-Nicholas STINCHCOMB sp: Sarah SMART , m: 28 Jun 1722, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-Mary STINCHCOMB bap: 18 Jun 1723, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-John STINCHCOMB bap: 26 Dec 1724, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-Jane STINCHCOMB bap: 28 Aug 1726, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-William STINCHCOMB bap: 29 Aug 1728, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-Elizabeth STINCHCOMB bap: 20 Mar 1730/31, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-Martha STINCHCOMB bap: 11 Jan 1732/33, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-Joyce STINCHCOMB bap: 19 Nov 1734, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-Daniel STINCHCOMB bap: 28 Jul 1736, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire sp: Sarah, Wife of Daniel STINCHCOMB 3-William STINCHCOMB bap: 12 Jan 1763, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 3-Elizabeth STINCHCOMB bap: 22 Mar 1766, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 3-Joyce STINCHCOMB bap: 7 Aug 1768, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 3-Mary STINCHCOMB bap: 7 Oct 1770, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 3-Benjamine STINCHCOMB bap: 3 Jan 1773, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 3-Daniel STINCHCOMB bap: 9 Apr 1775, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 3-George STINCHCOMB bap: 4 Jan 1778, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 3-James STINCHCOMB b: abt 1780, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, d: aft 1851 sp: Hester MALLARD b: Cal 1782, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, d: aft 1851, m: 27 Mar 1805, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, par: Joseph MALLARD and Elizabeth 4-William STINCHCOMB bap: 7 Jul 1805, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 4-Mary Ann STINCHCOMB bap: 25 Jan 1807, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, bur: 8 Feb 1807, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 4-Mary STINCHCOMB bap: 1 May 1808, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 4-Elizabeth STINCHCOMB bap: 1 Apr 1810, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 4-Ann STINCHCOMB b: 1819, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, d: 31 Oct 1885, Tresham, Gloucestershire sp: Joseph MILSOM b: 1832, Sopworth, Wiltshire, d: 27 May 1892, Upton Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, m: 6 May 1858, St.Mary's, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, par: James MILSOM and Elizabeth GARLICK 5-Jane MILSOM b: 26 Mar 1862, Tresham, Gloucestershire 5-George MILSOM b: 10 Dec 1863, Tresham, Gloucestershire 4-Sarah STINCHCOMB bap: 31 Jan 1820, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 4-George STINCHCOMB bap: 4 Jun 1820, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 4-Joseph STINCHCOMB bap: 4 Jun 1820, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 4-Eliza STINCHCOMB bap: 4 Jun 1820, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 3-Henry STINCHCOMB bap: 18 Aug 1782, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire 2-Benjamine STINCHCOMB bap: 4 Nov 1737, Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire Regards, Adrian Sheppard mailto:ade@3dfx.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adesheppard ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Ed, Thanks for your reply, I was only grasping at straws-----Again!! Thanks anyway for replying, Best Wishes, Mavis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Sinker" <Edward@sinker.greatxscape.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:03 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] GUNNING > Hello to Marilyn and Mavis, > > Thank you both for replying to my message about my wife's > GUNNING ancestors. > > I am afraid that we know very, very little about this line. We > have only just started to research it. I do know that William > Gunning was a Groom in the 1851 census living on Tormarton > Road, Marshfield where his father was a Gamekeeper. I don't > know about the Beauforts, could they have possibly been the > employer for both of them in Marshfield and in Hawkesbury. > > We are also pretty ignorant about the Watts. We do know that > they ended up farming in Hasfield but where exactly they came > from we have yet to discover. - Ed > > > Edward Coates Sinker > Church Lea > Bosbury, Herefordshire HR8 1PX > UK > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hello to Marilyn and Mavis, Thank you both for replying to my message about my wife's GUNNING ancestors. I am afraid that we know very, very little about this line. We have only just started to research it. I do know that William Gunning was a Groom in the 1851 census living on Tormarton Road, Marshfield where his father was a Gamekeeper. I don't know about the Beauforts, could they have possibly been the employer for both of them in Marshfield and in Hawkesbury. We are also pretty ignorant about the Watts. We do know that they ended up farming in Hasfield but where exactly they came from we have yet to discover. - Ed Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury, Herefordshire HR8 1PX UK