Is the David Wicks in Birmingham the David I went to school with (KLB 1966-73 - or 65-72 in his case) ? Raised in Cromhall at the Mushroom farm ?? Please ask him - if not there's another Wicks family with a David from the village Marilyn (nee Hulbert) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronda Wicks <mypal@execulink.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:43 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] WICKS and HALE (nearly had a conniption!!!!) > Dear Linda, > > I think that David Wicks in Birmingham has this couple fit onto his family > tree. He is very prompt with his responses so I will forward your message to > him (since he's not a lister) and I'm sure that either you or I will hear > back within 24 hrs. > > Ronda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Barraclough <kapana@netspace.net.au> > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:08 AM > Subject: [[Hawks]] WICKS and HALE (nearly had a conniption!!!!) > > > >Just catching up on my reading (knocking down walls in house) and nearly > had > >a conniption when I saw this one from that grave recording team: > >> > >>and one from Cromhall > >> > >>Thomas WICKS died Nov 11 1850 aged 84 Sarah his wife died July 31st 1841 > >>aged 73 > > > >Then I looked and found my missing ones are Stephen WICKS and Sarah HABLE, > >and this pair is one generation too far back. And I don't know where my > >WICKS came from, apart from a suspicion of Kingswood. But has anyone > claimed > >this couple, so we can have mutually satisfying discussions??? > > > >Thanks to all the transcribers - at least I know now mine aren't there. > > > >Linda > >Victoria, Australia > > > >PS Did I see something about a new HALE researcher on the list? I have a > >Jane HALE, of unknown parentage, married Thomas VAISEY at an unknown date > >and had her first child at Kingswood in 1800. Any chance ??????? > > > > > >==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > >Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > > >============================== > >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

Dear Linda, I think that David Wicks in Birmingham has this couple fit onto his family tree. He is very prompt with his responses so I will forward your message to him (since he's not a lister) and I'm sure that either you or I will hear back within 24 hrs. Ronda -----Original Message----- From: Linda Barraclough <kapana@netspace.net.au> To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:08 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] WICKS and HALE (nearly had a conniption!!!!) >Just catching up on my reading (knocking down walls in house) and nearly had >a conniption when I saw this one from that grave recording team: >> >>and one from Cromhall >> >>Thomas WICKS died Nov 11 1850 aged 84 Sarah his wife died July 31st 1841 >>aged 73 > >Then I looked and found my missing ones are Stephen WICKS and Sarah HABLE, >and this pair is one generation too far back. And I don't know where my >WICKS came from, apart from a suspicion of Kingswood. But has anyone claimed >this couple, so we can have mutually satisfying discussions??? > >Thanks to all the transcribers - at least I know now mine aren't there. > >Linda >Victoria, Australia > >PS Did I see something about a new HALE researcher on the list? I have a >Jane HALE, of unknown parentage, married Thomas VAISEY at an unknown date >and had her first child at Kingswood in 1800. Any chance ??????? > > >==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== >Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi Linda There was more than one WICKS grave at Cromhall but we were only there a minute or two so who knows. Ronda WICKS will probably be of use to you. The new HALE researcher is in Paris, France I think. Geoffro The Pond Dipper

HAd a bit of spare time. Extracted from the GFHS index to Gloucester Jail records. SHIPWAY James 30 Sep 1833 15 Leighterton Labourer Q/Gc5/5 SHIPWAY Wm. 27 Mar 1874 59 Westerleigh Farmer Q/Gc6/6 I will look up the details on my next visit James is undoubtedly the one who married Rodelinda Rowena THOMPSON Geoffro The Pond Dipper

Just catching up on my reading (knocking down walls in house) and nearly had a conniption when I saw this one from that grave recording team: > >and one from Cromhall > >Thomas WICKS died Nov 11 1850 aged 84 Sarah his wife died July 31st 1841 >aged 73 Then I looked and found my missing ones are Stephen WICKS and Sarah HABLE, and this pair is one generation too far back. And I don't know where my WICKS came from, apart from a suspicion of Kingswood. But has anyone claimed this couple, so we can have mutually satisfying discussions??? Thanks to all the transcribers - at least I know now mine aren't there. Linda Victoria, Australia PS Did I see something about a new HALE researcher on the list? I have a Jane HALE, of unknown parentage, married Thomas VAISEY at an unknown date and had her first child at Kingswood in 1800. Any chance ???????

The Pond Dipper, The Grave Robber and Benson can now all be contacted when on line through the use of MSN Messenger. All you need is a free Hotmail email account and a free MSN Messenger both of which are available from http://www.hotmail.com alternatively email me off list with your hotmail email address and I will send you instructions. Our IDs are as follows GeoffBrightman@hotmail.com hedgesdave@hotmail.com robertmillard123@hotmail.com this means you can contact us and chat to us whenever we and you are online. We look forward to hearing from you Geoffro The Pond Dipper http://www.hawkesburyfamilyhistory.co.uk

The photographs taken at Hillesley St Baptist Chapel are now on the web pages in The Pond Dippers Photo Album (page 5). Also updated is page 4 of the album with 4 generations of descendants of John SHIPWAY and Wilmott Melhuish THOMPSON. These photos were kindly supplied by Helga STEN. I forgot to mention it on Satruday but the following is true. The Grave Robber was stood by a CHAPPELL grave at Hillesley St Baptist Chapel when he tunred to Anonymous Anne and The Pond Dipper, pointed at the grave and said "This is the one that died". I kid you not. Remember to keep posting your interests. New members are joining all the time. Happy Hunting Geoffro The Pond Dipper

At the request of some new listers on the different lists I realized today that it has been a while since I listed my surname interests. Below are the families I will be looking into while I am in England and for whom I search on an ongoing basis: (listed in highest priority to last) WICKS - In Wiltshire at Sopworth, Sherston and Hullavington; In Gloucester at Tormarton, Badminton, Yate, Chipping Sodbury, Alderley, Cromhall, Hawkesbury, Hillesley and surrounding areas. FRY, CAM, DANCEY and KING - In Gloucester at Tormarton, Badminton and Dodington; looking for link to Hawkesbury area. GILLARD, MARTIN, PEARCE, TOOGOOD and COX - In Somerset at Lyng, Burrowbridge, Stoke St. Gregory, Drayton, Curry Rivel, Martock, Stoke sub Hamden and surrounding areas. Also in Staple Hill, Bristol and in Treorchy, Wales. PARROTT, MARKS and HITCHCOCK - In Somerset at Wellington and Taunton area. BATTEN and HAWKINS - In Somerset at Wellington and along the Somerset/Devon boundary. Will be taking a hard look at Collumpton in Devon for the next previous generation of my BATTEN line. LANCASTER - In Somerset at Worle and in Bedminster, Bristol MARSHALL and OWEN - In Somerset at Stone Allerton CHANT - In Somerset at Martock and surrounding area. Additional families I am seeking but won't be pursuing on this trip: BROADHURST - In Hanley, Fenton and Walsall in Staffordshire; In Lancashire at Manchester. WILSON and GEDDES - In Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland and Manchester in Lancashire. Don't worry listers - I will be taking lots of pix to share. Using a digital camera and laptop to send photos home where they will be saved to disk daily AND a 35 mm! :>) We are gonna have a PHOTOGRAPHIC FIELD DAY! Happy Digging! Ronda WICKS (Woodstock, Ontario, Canada)

Dear Listers, Thankyou for all your wonderful input on must-go-to places, B&Bs, etc. for research. Some expressed a concern that I will have my itinerary scheduled down to the second and I assure you that I intend to stop and smell the flowers, see the sights and do some visiting along with my research! <smiles> I will be taking pix and putting them on my website once I return. Will let you all know when I have it done! Jenny (Somerset list), thanks for the offer. I will be emailing you seperately as soon as I have a chance! Thanks again! Ronda WICKS (Woodstock, Ontario, Canada) www.homestead.com/wicksgen/start.html www.homestead.com/newfoundlandconnections/index.html (The Newfie Tree is a proud part of the Canadian Genealogy WebRing)

The next few weeks will be busy for all of us with lots of things to see and do. Next Friday is the meeting of Hawkesbury Local History Society at the village hall starting between 7.30 and 8pm. This month the discussion will be on beds which is a subject dear to The Pond Dippers heart as he spends so much time there. Thursday August 24th from noon will be your opportunity to meet one of our Canadian listers Ronda WICKS over lunch in The Beaufort. Friday the 25th the SHIPP sisters will be at Gloucester Record office and Mr and Mrs Pond Dipper hope to be there as well. Saturday the 26th is of course Hawkesbury Show the main event of village life and definitely not teo be missed. I am hoping that Lavender Cake will be on sale. Geoffro The Pond Dipper

On reading over the Will again of Henry HOLBOROW of Oldbury on the Hill, I find there are slight mentions of two surnames that have been discussed recently which might be of interest to researchers as to certain premises and lands. To his son Henry Holborow ".... All those my Tenements or Dwelling Houses with the Gardens Orchards Lands Hereditaments and Premises with appurtenances thereto belonging situate ...in the parish of Oldbury of the Hill ...commonly called or known by the name of the Folly and which I purchased of and from one Giles RODWAY. Also two other Tenements or Dwelling Houses with the gardens and little paddock of ground thereto belonging also situate in the parish of Olbury on the Hill called also the Folly and by me very lately purchased from my said son William HOLBOROW and now in the possession of William A(O?)RCHARD Abraham CHAPPELL and myself To Hold all and every of the aforesaid tenements etc.etc. after my decease unto my said son Henry Holborow.... etc.etc...." The will is dated 20 November 1788. - Janice Toronto, Canada ---------------- Searching for Birth/Marriage/Death/Burial information on William and Mary HOLBROW of Wanswell Court, Berkeley and their two children Daniel b.1790 and Maria b.1793. Also another William (b.Feb.1821) and Mary HOLBROW last seen on 1851 census at Stonehouse - a look up on 1861 census would be greatly appreciated. Thank you - janice.h@attcanada.net

Hello all 4th and other cousins, To Pat, thankyou for Neale/Hancock imfo,most of which Ididn't have. the Thos S,m1621,d1665 has a long will relating to family at Chalkley,but in next generation four sons squabbled over their inheritance for some 40 yrs.Eldest son Thos,d1869 is in Bigland,and is the Yhos in H.Docs 1002-3 and1043. To Robert, yes,we seem to have a common lineage from Danielb1736 back,and moving forwards you have this interesting period with an aunt and a cousin as m partners-shall want to know more about this! Nehemia was 2nd youngest son of Thos,d1665 above;agree we dont have his b or m recorded,but he is in his fathers will,his children are in Quaker register,he has an admon with inventory and is bur at Ch.Sod. I think Nicholas of Nicholas and Martha was b1626,son of John and Eliz:he has a will1693,and is in Bigland.The landholding of this Nich,his son and gson(also Nich) is assembled as 14 deeds,etc in Badminton Papers,NC4/39.He is probably the 2nd witness in H Doc 960 and also the NS in Doc 1043. I cant place the three folk in Doc of 1600,but they might well be the 2nd or 3rd gen at Chalkley-there are two Nicholas' in Men and Armour,1608. To Geoff,Hope the prospecting at Hillesley was rewarding,and thankyou for mammoth Thompson chart with Minett connections and up-to-moment additions.Alas,my charts are still pencil and paper jobs john s

As you know the Famous Five (Mr and Mrs Pond Dipper, The Grave Robber, Anonymous Anne and Benson) went ot the above yesterday. Somehow Robert has beglected to dictate one of the THOMPSON graves so he is going in the pond The following are our best efforts at reading the stones there. Good luck 1 from Kilcott Died June 8th 1822 aged 70 years also of Betty his wife who died August 9th 1827 aged 70 2 Sarah STINCHCOMBE buried 1811 also Mary COUSINS 1819 (?) 3 William HAYWARD fell from from his horse into water, died suddenly Feb 23rd 1776 aged 63. 4 In memory of John BOULTON, Hillesley , millman, who departed this life the 2nd day of November 1791 aged 61. Physicians were in vain. A faithful friend lies here, prepared for the lord to judge his wife and chidlren dear. 5 In memory of Sarah STINCHCOMBE wife of Joseph STINCHCOMBE of this parish who died 1814 (or 1874) aged 62 also 2 of their chidlren who died in their infancy, also of Mary the wife of Robert COUSINS of this parish who died 1816 aged 70 or 76 years. 6 William BOULTON who died May aged 42 in 1806. 7 ?? GIBBS died December 1845 aged 67 years 8 Joseph COOK of Hawkesbury died 6th Feb 1860 aged 79 also Mary hsi wife who died 15 December 1866 aged 74 9 Edward POPE January 17 1852 and Elizabeth who died his wife who died May 15th 1876 10 Albert John COOK son of Peter and Jane COOK died the 24th of May 1866 aged 1 year and 4 months 11 George RATCLIFFE who died February 25th 1857 aged 73 also of Emma HOLBORROW daughter of the above who died November 18 1862 aged 45. And ......In memory of Mary wife of George RATCLIFFE Yeoman of this parish who died March 16 1832 aged 45 also in memory Mary Emma the beloved wife fo George RATCLIFFE who died Feb 1874 aged 59. 12 Gladys THOMPSON wife and mother aged 78 also beloved husband William Edwin died 11th of December 1995 aged 93 years 13 Philip David CHAPPELL husband and father who died 18th November 1988 aged 47 14 David Jospeh Gunter CHAPPELL husband and father who died 16th Nov 1984 aged 81 15 Albert BUTCHER who died 13th Nov 1984 aged 73 16 Joseph Arthur DAVIS who died 20th Feb 1983 Edith Mary DAVIS died 19th Spetember 1983, Emma DAVIS who died 31st of July 1982 aged 90. Nathaniel Timothy DAVIS who died 12th July 1965 aged 66 also his wife Ellen DAVIS who died 14th May 1992 aged 86 years. 17 Maurice Frederick EMERY born April 16 1894 died August 29 1970. Doris Miriam EMERY 3rd Jan 1979 aged 84. Joyce Rotha Colgrove EMERY died Aug 6 1976 aged 77. 18 Edith Ellen CARTER 8th jan 1978 aged 78 also her husband Arthur Llewellyn CARTER died 12th July 1988 aged 91 19 John Eldon CAHPPELL of Lovetts Wood Farm died Sep 13 1979 20 Cecil R CHAPPELL accidentally killed 25th Feb 1960 aged 39 His wife Ruby Ellen CHAPPELL who died 16th October 1995 aged 68 21 John BUTCHER Feb 22 1956 aged 80 an his wife Eleanor died June 8 1962 aged 78 22 Charles Albert STONE died 14 June ???? 23 Alfred CHAPPELL of Simmonds Hall of Wotton under Edge died 30th Jan 1950. Annie Susanna died 27th July 1964 24 Daniel Jessie CHAPPELL late of Rushmoor Farm Wotton under Edge died May 28th 1948 aged 71 also Elizabeth Honor wife of the above died May 27 1967 aged 91 25 William James HUGGINS 15th Oct 1952 also Gertrude Sarah beloved wife of the above who died 30th Sep 1977 26 Doris May LEWINGTON died 10th April 1997 27 Sarah Elizabeth CHAPPELL died at Salcombe Farm, Ozleworth March 21 1933 and her sister Kate Maria died Dec 17 1950 28. Alice Mary CHAPPELL died Aug 24 1953 aged 80 also Charles Curtis CHAPPELL died Mar 9 1964 aged 89 years. 29 Albert Henry CHAPPELLdied April 13 1929 aged 58 father and deacon of this church for 21 years also his wife Esther died Jan 6th 1952 30 Dearest sister Ellen Maria GRIST February 27th 1945 aged 66 years also Cornelius Charles GRIST who died Oct 11 1949 aged 78 31. Robert ...........1943 aged 69 32. Cynthia CARTER March 19 1933 4 years 33 Oscar COOPER died 29 August 1958 aged 66 years also his wife Dorothy Elizabeth died Sep 17th 1963 aged 70. and one from Cromhall Thomas WICKS died Nov 11 1850 aged 84 Sarah his wife died July 31st 1841 aged 73

The following is entered in the Avening PR which might be of interest to the SHIPWAY researchers - Christenings: February 25, 1742(1743) William son of William and Patience SHIPWAY Hope this helps Janice Toronto, Canada Subject: Shipways --- Helga Sten <hunslet@itfusion.com.au> wrote: > Hi Moira, > > My SHIPWAY interests were through the Wilmot > THOMPSON/ John SHIPWAY connection, until I found out > about this other lot!! > > I'm hoping the two SHIPWAYs are linked, as I'm not > having much luck going further back from John > SHIPWAY b. 1793 in Rodborough who married Eliza > ALDRIDGE in 1817, and with their family arrived in > Sydney in 1839. >

--- Helga Sten <hunslet@itfusion.com.au> wrote: > Hi Moira, > > My SHIPWAY interests were through the Wilmot > THOMPSON/ John SHIPWAY connection, until I found out > about this other lot!! > > I'm hoping the two SHIPWAYs are linked, as I'm not > having much luck going further back from John > SHIPWAY b. 1793 in Rodborough who married Eliza > ALDRIDGE in 1817, and with their family arrived in > Sydney in 1839. > > The Joseph you mentioned - where does he fit in? > > Helga, > Takura, Qld. > Dear Helga, Joseph is a bit of a mystery but Evan Lloyd from kilsyth gave me some information on Shipways of South Australia which mentions this Joseph as possibly a cousin or brother of John and William Shipway, two sons ofJohn Shipway and mary Creed of Leighterton. They actually appear to have had 7 sons, of Joseph , born about 1826 or 1830 was one. He and his wife Isabella had no children. As far as we can tell there were 2 distinct Shipway families, both of whom married Thompson girls. Yours married Wilmot Melhuish Thompson while 2 brothers of the Shipway/Creed line married Wilmot's cousins Elletta Lavinia and Rhodelinda Rowena. Ultimately they probably are all linked further back but we don't know how yet. From some charts sent to me from Anne Mays it appears that your John Shipway who married Eliza Aldrich was the son of Edward Shipway who married Elizabeth Taylor in King's Stanley, Rodborough 18/6/1789. Eliza Aldridge, born about 1799 was a daughter of Samuel Aldridge and Esther Mitchel. I am afraid I have no more information on that line, but stay tuned to the Hawkesbury list as Geoff Brightman et al are trying to put the known information together to see what they find. If you are trying to figure out where I fit in, I don't, but my husband , Geoff is the G.G.Grandson of Elletta Lavinia Thompson, Wilmot's cousin so I guess he and our kids are distant cousin's of yours. I am just the family Genie nut! Regards, Moira, Mooroolbark, Vic. > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES > should be in CAPITALS. Penalty for non-compliance is > a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection > again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Hi Doug That name I came across recently married a STINCHCOMB?? cousin (8TH class) Robert the Grave Robber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Thompson" <doug@thom.screaming.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 12:44 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Anna Merrikan > Anna Merrikan ! ROTFL ! > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

> Geoffro is going to surprise them both with the news in the Beaufort today. And what a pleasant surprise it was as well. Better still was that Mrs Pond Dipper remembered our anniversary. However she did admit that I had hinted at it earleir in the week. As you have probably guessed we are back from Hawkesbury and the Hillesley Street Baptist Chapel which tunred out to be a frutiful visit. I will post the deatils later and if we are lucky the pics will also be available. Anonymous Anne revealed some of her secrets today and hopefully she will be revealing more during the next few weeks. Can I again urge all the new listers to introduce themselves and their researches. It pays to advertise as the reunification of the Grave Robber with the THOMPSONs proves. Geoffro The Pond Dipper

Hmmm, Have just had a look at the marvellously updated Hawkesbury pages. Now I know what the Pond Dipper looks like! But is that the Pond??? How on earth do you dip someone in it???? Now, in Australia we would call it a puddle! Seriously - afetr waiting so long to see it, it is a wonderful to know what it looks like. Thanks. Linda

Anna Merrikan ! ROTFL !

While Robert's off robbing graves today, I'll let the stay-at-homes into a secret. I discovered last night that he is my (and Mrs Pond Dipper's) 8th cousin! Geoffro is going to surprise them both with the news in the Beaufort today. James RODWAY is our common 7th great grandfather. Now I've got to add all those Chappells to the tree! Doug Thompson