The Pond Dipper will be off line for a maximum of 48 hours from 12 noon BST (GMT+1) on Thursday July 20th 2000 whilst his submarine undergoes a major refit. All emails will be answered when he resurfaces. Happy Hunting Geoffro The Pond Dipper

Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "siebertfamily" <siebert@surfer.co.nz> To: "Karen Davies" <khdavies@freewwweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [[Hawks]] Information contained in 1822 Birth Record > No. > > Bernadette > in NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karen Davies <khdavies@freewwweb.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:03 AM > Subject: [[Hawks]] Information contained in 1822 Birth Record > > > > Can anyone tell me if a mother's maiden name would be included in a Birth > Record in 1822? > > Thanks > > Karen Davies > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and > Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > >

Can anyone tell me if a mother's maiden name would be included in a Birth Record in 1822? Thanks Karen Davies

We know it was the practice to give children first and middle names that reflected their ancestry. Often the middle name was the mothers surname or a grandparents surname or the fathers surname if the couple were not married. There is much evidence of this amongst the THOMPSONs for example - Charlotte "Phelps" THOMPSON whose mother was Jane PHELPS. We also have the renowned COOPER - THOMPSONs who appeat to use both surnames. Jospeh COOPER and Mary THOMPSON may never have actually got married. Middle names often give us clues to ancestry and if we are lucky they will reflect the parents or grandparents family names. Martin "Neale" SHIPP may well have had a parent of grandparent from the NEALE family. It cannot yet be ruled out. John "Alway" STINCHCOMBE and Ann "Limbrick" MINETT are classic examples of middle names denoting ancestry. I always explore the middle name connections as one enver knows what will be uncovered and often the middle name research can blast holes through previously solid brick walls. Good luck Geoffro The Pond Dipper whose geography may not be that good but who never forgets a dead persons name - (but don't ask when his siblings birthdays are or where they live)

Geoff Wonders of wonders! I was looking through the sample marriage index on GFHS site and found Thomas PEYTON married Mary NEALE 18 July 1824. Are my PEYTON's connected to your NEALE's ? Researching: Nathanial PEYTON b.1810 Rodboro Joseph PEYTON b.1833 Frocester Nathanial PEYTON b.1838 Frocester Edward PEYTON b.1841 Frocester Nicholas EYZENBEARTH Frederick ISINGBERG Clara BEALS b.1877 Patricia HALE (the other half of Philip) Nathanial PEYTON

At 01:03 PM 16/7/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On reading over the Will again of Henry HOLBOROW of Oldbury on the Hill, I >find there are slight mentions of two surnames that have been discussed >recently which might be of interest to researchers as to certain premises >and lands. > >To his son Henry Holborow ".... All those my Tenements or Dwelling Houses >with the Gardens Orchards Lands Hereditaments and Premises with >appurtenances thereto belonging situate ...in the parish of Oldbury of the >Hill ...commonly called or known by the name of the Folly and which I >purchased of and from one Giles RODWAY. Also two other Tenements or >Dwelling Houses with the gardens and little paddock of ground thereto >belonging also situate in the parish of Olbury on the Hill called also the >Folly and by me very lately purchased from my said son William HOLBOROW and >now in the possession of William A(O?)RCHARD Abraham CHAPPELL and myself >To Hold all and every of the aforesaid tenements etc.etc. after my decease >unto my said son Henry Holborow.... etc.etc...." > >The will is dated 20 November 1788. > >- Janice >Toronto, Canada >---------------- >Searching for Birth/Marriage/Death/Burial information on William and Mary >HOLBROW of Wanswell Court, Berkeley and their two children Daniel b.1790 and >Maria b.1793. > >Also another William (b.Feb.1821) and Mary HOLBROW last seen on 1851 census >at Stonehouse - a look up on 1861 census would be greatly appreciated. >Thank you - janice.h@attcanada.net > G'day Any knowledge of or interest in the following >From a headstone in the Rookwood C of E Cemetery Laura E HOLBOROW was born 16 Jul 1857 Hillesley Manor House. She was apparently born on a return visit to the UK by her parents Daniel HOLBOROW and Mary Jane, who had arrived in NSW married by 1840. Her parents are buried with her; Daniel was said to be born Crumhall (presume Cromhall) c1817, the son of William HOLBOROW and Jane. Mother Mary Jane bc1818 Bristol, the dau of Richard ????? and Mary. Please note this is not my family, just an entry in my GLS Immigrants to Australia pre 1888 Index. Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

At 11:53 AM 18/7/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks Kaye, > >My home address is: > >Stephanie (Rugman) Holguin >1283 Bartonshire Way >Potomac, MD 20854 >USA > >Please keep my email address too - because I will have to unsubscribe to this site as I get too many emails:-) > >Thanks again for your help, >Stephanie > > G'day Stephanie Thanks for this. I do like to collect snail mail addresses as well - email addresses have a disturbing habit of changing! Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

Dear Geoffro, I was searching the Gordon Beavington's CD of the 1851 census, for VIZARD's,as I have just found out that my 4 x Great Aunt EMMA EMILY DAVIS married GEORGE VIZARD on the 30th March 1850, when I noticed a WILLIAM VIZARD SHIPP in Iron Acton. Now of course I wonder if the SHIPP Family are related to the VIZARDS? So it was really spooky when I noticed the SHIPP family name tonight, I've never seen it mentioned before. Also while I'm talking about the VIZARDS, can I ask if there is anyone who knows if GEORGE VIZARD'S brother was called FRANCIS JOBSON VIZARD. I need to see if there is a connection. Can you help? You seem to have such knowledge of the village, you might know where they all fit in. Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help.Mavis Williams, Flintshire. Researching:- DAVIS, Gloucestershire and Burton-on-Trent. WITTS, Gloucestershire LIMBRICK, Gloucestershire. MALLER, Powick, Worcestershire. KERRY, West Hallam, Burton-on-Trent. FROGGATT,Egginton,Burton-on-Trent SID(D)AL(L)S, SYDALS, Burton-on-Trent. TOON, Stapenhill. CHATFIELD, Uttoxeter. WRIGHT, Uttoxeter. PARKER, Newhall, Derby.---- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Brightman" <geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:12 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] NEALE and SHIPP > I know that Pat ADAIR is researching the NEALE family and that the SHIPP > sisters Beverly and Linda are researching their ancestry. Obviosuly the > SHIPP family is improtant to us all as they ran the Beaufort for a time. > > I note from the burial registers that in 1870 3 month old Martin Neale SHIPP > was buried. > > I wonder if Pat can shed any light on this child or his possible father (?) > or with any connections to the SHIPP family. > > MY apologies for forgetting to ask you during our chat on messenger a few > moments ago Pat. > > Geoffro > The Pond Dipper > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Thanks Kaye, My home address is: Stephanie (Rugman) Holguin 1283 Bartonshire Way Potomac, MD 20854 USA Please keep my email address too - because I will have to unsubscribe to this site as I get too many emails:-) Thanks again for your help, Stephanie >>> kayepur@ozemail.com.au 07/17/00 10:34PM >>> At 06:24 PM 14/7/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Looking for any information on a Charles Rugman born the 1800's in GLS and then later moved to the U.S. Any info on the Rugman's at all would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Stephanie > G'day Re the above which I hope someone was able to help Stephanie with. Maria TANDY bc1825 (IGI gives 2 patron submissions for her bapt, at North Nibley and 2 Jan 1825 at Ozleworth) parents Simon and Elizabeth, married pre 1850 John RUGMAN bc1825 GLS? This couple arrived married in VIC where they had 8 chn registered, earliest 1850. Is this Maria's father living Hawkesbury 1851? 47 MORSE Joseph 44 Ag Lab Lyneham Harriet 43 Purton Richard 18 Ag Lab Hawkesbury Robert 13 Ag Lab Hawkesbury TANDY Simon Lodger 55 Ag Lab Hawkesbury Job 13 Lodger Hawkesbury Any interest? Please note this is not my family, just an entry from my GLS Immigrants to Australia pre 1888 index. Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC. ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Have your Hawkesbury research needs added to the Hawkesbury Family History pages. Send an email to ThePondDipper@HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

I think the pon dipper is mixing you an me up Im in Paris and looking for WOODWARDs regards Roger Woodward

I know that Pat ADAIR is researching the NEALE family and that the SHIPP sisters Beverly and Linda are researching their ancestry. Obviosuly the SHIPP family is improtant to us all as they ran the Beaufort for a time. I note from the burial registers that in 1870 3 month old Martin Neale SHIPP was buried. I wonder if Pat can shed any light on this child or his possible father (?) or with any connections to the SHIPP family. MY apologies for forgetting to ask you during our chat on messenger a few moments ago Pat. Geoffro The Pond Dipper

> One small thing Geoffro, John J. and Celma SHIPWAY were married at MarYborough, not MarLborough,( the two towns are in two different areas of Queensland). I shall correct it as soon as possible. > > PS. Did I ever explain where Takura was? If not, it's a rural area about 15 ks.away from Hervey Bay and about 30ks from Maryborough. But it still isnt on my map - so I have nowhere to stick your pin. Glad you like the pics. Thanks for the permission. Stick with me kid I'll make you a star. Hopefully other listers will send pics so that they can be included as well.

Hi Kaye, Yes I have details of Edward and Elizabeth (TAYLOR) SHIPWAY, it's his parentage and death that is eluding me. I'm off to my local FHS tomorrow, to check on the passenger lists you gave on the other SHIPWAYS, and I may come up with some answers on Catherine. Helga.

At 09:01 PM 14/7/2000 -0700, you wrote: >For anyone researching Shipways: >I was looking through an LDS film 304774 on SA >Immigration lists when I found the following Shipway >family. >49/12 "Cheapside " sailed from Plymouth for Adelaide >SA on 5 July 1849. Passenger No 7525 >John Shipway Married, age 34 Shepherd from >Gloucestershire. >Wife Cathi 34, Children Thomas 8, Edward 6 and Esther >2. >>From the ages etc I would say this is the family of >John Shipway, born 1814 in Leighterton , son of John >Shipway and Mary Creed, and Catherine Innis. Another >Shipway relative , Joseph Shipway is said to have >arrived on this ship but I did not find any other >Shipways listed for that voyage. >Moira from Mooroolbark. > > G'day I have these folk listed on my GLS Immigrants to Oz Index. Catherine was certainly nee INNIS (INNS?). They had a dau born on board the ship. John died 24 Oct 1899 Currency Creek SA aged 83 which would certainly tie in with the age of the John bapt Leighterton. Everyone agree? Catherine died 14 Dec 1900 Point Sturt SA aged 86. Is their date and place of marriage known? Where were their chn born? Anything known about Catherine's place of birth or parents? Also from the family of John SHIPWAY and Mary CREED I have siblings Edwin arrived Sydney "Kate" 1851 James arrived Sydney "Kate" 1852 William arrived Adelaide "Alquis" 1856 I have no sign of any Joseph SHIPWAY on my index. I could check next Monday the SA birth and death CD to see if there is any sign of him???? Please note this is not my family just an entry on my GLS Immigrants to Australia pre 1888 Index. Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

My most humble apologies to the list! I forgot to change the address in reply to sender when I answered Marilyn. Sorry, Ronda

Marilyn, I have sent David an email to ask him. I will let you know when he answers. Ronda -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Moffat <marilyn@moffat-mk.freeserve.co.uk> To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] WICKS and HALE (nearly had a conniption!!!!) >Is the David Wicks in Birmingham the David I went to school with (KLB >1966-73 - or 65-72 in his case) ? Raised in Cromhall at the Mushroom farm ?? >Please ask him - if not there's another Wicks family with a David from the >village > >Marilyn (nee Hulbert) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ronda Wicks <mypal@execulink.com> >To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:43 PM >Subject: [[Hawks]] Re: [[Hawks]] WICKS and HALE (nearly had a >conniption!!!!) > > >> Dear Linda, >> >> I think that David Wicks in Birmingham has this couple fit onto his family >> tree. He is very prompt with his responses so I will forward your message >to >> him (since he's not a lister) and I'm sure that either you or I will hear >> back within 24 hrs. >> >> Ronda >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Linda Barraclough <kapana@netspace.net.au> >> To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:08 AM >> Subject: [[Hawks]] WICKS and HALE (nearly had a conniption!!!!) >> >> >> >Just catching up on my reading (knocking down walls in house) and nearly >> had >> >a conniption when I saw this one from that grave recording team: >> >> >> >>and one from Cromhall >> >> >> >>Thomas WICKS died Nov 11 1850 aged 84 Sarah his wife died July 31st 1841 >> >>aged 73 >> > >> >Then I looked and found my missing ones are Stephen WICKS and Sarah >HABLE, >> >and this pair is one generation too far back. And I don't know where my >> >WICKS came from, apart from a suspicion of Kingswood. But has anyone >> claimed >> >this couple, so we can have mutually satisfying discussions??? >> > >> >Thanks to all the transcribers - at least I know now mine aren't there. >> > >> >Linda >> >Victoria, Australia >> > >> >PS Did I see something about a new HALE researcher on the list? I have a >> >Jane HALE, of unknown parentage, married Thomas VAISEY at an unknown date >> >and had her first child at Kingswood in 1800. Any chance ??????? >> > >> > >> >==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== >> >Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in >CAPITALS. >> Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. >> > >> >============================== >> >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >> >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >> >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and >visit regulary. >> >> ============================== >> Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >> RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >> >> > > >==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== >When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. >Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

I've been to the Pond Dipper's photo album to check out the latest updates - very interesting - and would just like to say "hello" to all the rellies out there! I must admit it was a bit of a thrill to see me and mine on the web - a bit like being on TV. One small thing Geoffro, John J. and Celma SHIPWAY were married at MarYborough, not MarLborough,( the two towns are in two different areas of Queensland). Helga from Takura. PS. Did I ever explain where Takura was? If not, it's a rural area about 15 ks.away from Hervey Bay and about 30ks from Maryborough.

At 06:24 PM 14/7/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Looking for any information on a Charles Rugman born the 1800's in GLS and then later moved to the U.S. Any info on the Rugman's at all would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Stephanie > G'day Re the above which I hope someone was able to help Stephanie with. Maria TANDY bc1825 (IGI gives 2 patron submissions for her bapt, at North Nibley and 2 Jan 1825 at Ozleworth) parents Simon and Elizabeth, married pre 1850 John RUGMAN bc1825 GLS? This couple arrived married in VIC where they had 8 chn registered, earliest 1850. Is this Maria's father living Hawkesbury 1851? 47 MORSE Joseph 44 Ag Lab Lyneham Harriet 43 Purton Richard 18 Ag Lab Hawkesbury Robert 13 Ag Lab Hawkesbury TANDY Simon Lodger 55 Ag Lab Hawkesbury Job 13 Lodger Hawkesbury Any interest? Please note this is not my family, just an entry from my GLS Immigrants to Australia pre 1888 index. Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

> PS Did I see something about a new HALE researcher on the list? Hi Linda I am the new HALE researcher you have heard about! Actually, I don't live in Paris but about 400 kms south of it deep in wine country and very nice it is! >I have a > Jane HALE, of unknown parentage, married Thomas VAISEY at an unknown date > and had her first child at Kingswood in 1800. Any chance ??????? > My family HALE has lived in and around Kingswood, Hanham and Keynsham for the last 3 generations. At around 1800 the family name seems to have been spelt HEALE but can find no verification of this. I have no Jane HALE in the tree but may find one as I still have a lot to do around that period of time. If I find one, will let you know. Here are my names William HEALE 1805 -1875 m Eliza SCAMMELL 1812 - 1886 Their children - Francis Edward HALE - 1851-1939 John HALE b1842 Thomas HALE b1839 Esther HALE b1838 William James HALE 1847-1907 My grandfather Francis Edward HALE married Elizabeth WITT(1853-1941) who came from Wotton-under-Edge we believe. Although I have the date and place of their marriage in their family bible, (24.12.1881) I have been unable to find it in the national marriage indexes or Baptist records. Any ideas anyone? Philip Hale >

Thanks to all who took the time and trouble to come up with the very useful information hidden in the undergrowth at Hillesley. I now have 3 new lines of enquiry so I'm off to the FHS tomorrow evening to see what else I can find. Researching In HAWKESBURY CARTER STINCHCOMBE HALL GOULDING HOPKINS In CHIPPING SODBURY BOWYER In BRISTOL (Stapleton, Fishponds and Downend) CARTER WEEKS GUY GRIST HIBBS Janet