Dear Jocie, Hope you are well I haven't heard form you for a while, good to see your on the WITTS Trail, can I ask a question about the message below, how did you find out about Thomas leaving the Duke's employment, I'm trying to find out why/when William Job DAVIS left too. Have you seen the info that I posted the other day? they are the same that I sent you and Kevin, but also included were other names that I picked up that relate to the DAVIS'S. Hope to hear from you soon, take care, Mavis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jocelyn P McBride" <jocie@ic24.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:52 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Fw: Neale & Witts > Does anyone have a HENRY NEALE (b.abt.1740) from Badminton or surrounding Parishes? > HENRY moved to Woodstock, Oxon. where he married ANN LARNER in 1768. > Their daughter SARAH NEALE married THOMAS WITTS from Badminton in Woodstock on 18 Aug 1803. THOMAS left his family and the employment of the Duke of Beaufort earlier in 1803. Did THOMAS move to Woodstock with marriage to SARAH NEALE in mind?? > If any of these names link into your family I would be pleased to hear from you. > Jocie McBride > Henley-on-Thames > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > >

Robert the Grave Robber is currently experiencing major pc problems and will catch up with all his mails when he returns. The presetn occupants of what was the White Horse are known to Robert and he will say nmore on his return Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk -----

Hi Geoff We all do family history in our own particular way. I am interested in who my ancestors were, and the lives they led. I have a long list of things I want to discover, but making contact with living descendants is not high on the list. My own COOPER line left Hawkesbury 130 years ago. Bob Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Brightman <geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:46 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] COOPER > Hi Bob and Roderick and everyone else. > > There is a COOPER living on High Street in Hawkesbury Upton according to the > BT S Glos phone book. > > As you are the closest relative Bob I think you should pick up the phone and > start dialing. > > After all BT says its good to talk. Perhaps if Joseph and Mary had spoken to > each other a bit more we wouldn't be in this mess now. > > Geoffro > The Pond Dipper > Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Has anyone done their own transcription of the 1851 or 1861 census, or have a print of the original? In the Gordon Beavington transcription, James COOPER, father of Llewellyn, is shown as being aged 36 (i.e. born c 1814). In the transcription I made, I have him as aged 30, and likewise aged 40 in 1861. By 1861, Llewellyn had left home, but the other family members are still there. Can anyone help? Bob Lawrence

Does anyone have a HENRY NEALE (b.abt.1740) from Badminton or surrounding Parishes? HENRY moved to Woodstock, Oxon. where he married ANN LARNER in 1768. Their daughter SARAH NEALE married THOMAS WITTS from Badminton in Woodstock on 18 Aug 1803. THOMAS left his family and the employment of the Duke of Beaufort earlier in 1803. Did THOMAS move to Woodstock with marriage to SARAH NEALE in mind?? If any of these names link into your family I would be pleased to hear from you. Jocie McBride Henley-on-Thames

Hi Geoff, Sorry about forgetting to put a subject for my query. Thank you for letting me know that the White Horse is no longer a pub. That is a pity, as last week my wife and I visited the Catherine Wheel in Marshfield, where her great-great-great uncle, Thomas Gunning and his son, were the publicans and we were hoping to do the same at the White Horse. I appreciate your giving us some idea where it was located. By the way, Frank Stinchcombe was the publican at the White Horse in 1903. - Ed Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury, Herefordshire HR8 1PX UK

Hi Ted, You should find a couple of us on this list that are also descended from Nicholas/Sarah and Daniel/Sarah. I'm descended from James/Hester STINCHCOMBE, brother to Henry STINCHCOMBE from who I presume you have a descendancy. Other listers are Robert MILLARD and John STINCHCOMBE, both of whom have a great deal of information on the STINCHCOMBE lines. Robert is currently in the process of trying to match all the Hawkesbury STINCHCOMBE's together and would probably appreciate any further information that you can provide. Regards, Adrian Sheppard mailto:ade@sheppardfamily.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adesheppard -----Original Message----- From: Ted & Shirley Wackerle [mailto:wackerle@parrett.net] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:43 PM To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[Hawks]] Hawkesbury Stinchcomb spouses Hello, I am interested in hearing from persons who descended from several generations of wives of Stinchcomb men. I also have no information on several of these ladies and would appreciate hearing about them. The people are: Susanna COOK (1786-1868), wife of Henry STINCHCOMB. Sarah GUEST, wife of Daniel STINCHCOMB, they married 1762. Sarah SMART, wife of Nicholas STINCHCOMB, married in 1622. Thank you. Ted Wackerle, Berrien Springs, Michigan USA ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

> Dear Listers, > On a recent visit to GRO in Gloucester I photostated a Marriage out of > the Parish Registers, in doing so I had to photostat other Marriages on the > same page. I list these now and if anyone is interested I will send a copy > of the relevant Marriage entry either snail mail, or if my intelligent head > is on and I can work out how to do it, as an attachment. > Banns for the marriage of DANIEL SPILL and HANNAH PACKER,and also the > marriage of the above 23 June 1780. > Banns and Marriage between WILLIAM WATTS and ELIZABETH DENNING on 26 June > 1780. > Marriage by licence between GEORGE HICKS and SARAH MINETT 25 Oct 1780. > Marriage by banns of JOHN RODWAY and ELIZABETH CAM 14 Jan. 1781. > Marriage by banns of JOHN HOPKINS and MARTHA HALLIER 21 Feb. 1781. > Hope they belong to someone! Regards and Best Wishes, Mavis Williams, Flintshire. Researching:- DAVIS, Gloucestershire and Burton-on-Trent. WITTS, Gloucestershire LIMBRICK, Gloucestershire. MALLER, Powick, Worcestershire. KERRY, West Hallam, Burton-on-Trent. FROGGATT,Egginton,Burton-on-Trent SID(D)AL(L)S, SYDALS, Burton-on-Trent. TOON, Stapenhill. CHATFIELD, Uttoxeter. WRIGHT, Uttoxeter. PARKER, Newhall, Derby. >

Hi All, Elizabeth Jansen in Australia has a wonderful site for Tetbury, Gloucestershire. I think you might find some Hawkesbury names! www.geocities.com/Heartland/Grove/1740/index.html Anne

I am in search of excellent England genealogy sites to add to that section of my website at http://www.stas.net/gen/ , which opened July 31, 2000 Any suggestions would be very much appreciated, but please include the county they should be placed in to speed the time it takes to add them to my site. Thanks I would also like to invite everyone to join in our new GENEALOGY CHAT ROOM. The chat is open 24 hrs / 7 days a week to anyone anywhere. We would love to have a very strong UK presence in the room It is new as you would be so you will not be out of place at all. The chat limited to 50 people at a time so plan on getting there early Thanks for your help Myrna in Saskatchewan, Canada Please visit our web site JUST GENEALOGY !! at: http://www.stas.net/gen/ Over 400 interconnected web pages of world wide genealogy links plus a genealogy chat room

Hi Bob and Roderick and everyone else. There is a COOPER living on High Street in Hawkesbury Upton according to the BT S Glos phone book. As you are the closest relative Bob I think you should pick up the phone and start dialing. After all BT says its good to talk. Perhaps if Joseph and Mary had spoken to each other a bit more we wouldn't be in this mess now. Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk

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Hi Edward Apologies for the delay in replying. The White Horse is no longer a pub and hasnt been for a while. The building is still there if I am right. It is on Back Street on the left as the road bends round to the right. Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Sinker" <Edward@sinker.greatxscape.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 7:49 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] > Hi, > > I just found out that wife's great-great-grandfather, William Gunning, > was publican of the White Horse, a beerhouse in Hawkesbury in > 1891. The information came from: > > Gloucestershire Pubs at > <http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk>www.gloucestershirepubs.co.<http://www > .gloucestershirepubs.co.uk>uk. > > Can anyone tell me if the White Horse is still a pub? > > Also, is there any chance that someone just might have a copy > of the 1891 census for Hawkesbury, who could look him up for > me? > > In the 1881 census he was a groom and the family were living > on Hillsley Street. - Ed > Edward Coates Sinker > Church Lea > Bosbury, Herefordshire HR8 1PX > UK > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

This is the last will and testament of me Joseph COOPER of Cold Change in the parish of Hawkesbury in the county of Gloucester, Farmer. Whereas I have lately contracted with my neice Hannah DAVIS of Oxleaze in the said parish of Hawkesbury Spinster to sell to her my freehold cottage garden and small orchard thereto adjoining situate at Inglestone Common in the said parish and in the occupation of Charles STINCHCOMBE for the sum of £100. Now I hereby give and devise the said hereditaments and premises with the appurtenances unto and to the use of John ALLWAY and Edward STINCHCOMBE both of the same parish of Hawkesbury, Farmers their heirs and assignes for ever in trust on receipt of the said sum to convey the same hereditaments and premises unto and to the use of the said Hannah DAVIS her heirs and assignes or otherwise as she may direct. And I direct my said trustees to pay and discharge out of the said sum of £100 , the sum of £57 secured (?) by my promisory note of hand to Thomas DAVIS of Upton, Butcher with all interest then due thereon and that the remainder of the said sum sum of £100 shall be considered part of my ????personal estate. And I give, devise and bequeath unto the said John ALLWAY and Edward STINCHCOMBE all the residue of my freehold messuages lands hereditaments and real estate and all my leasehold messuages gardens lands and premises with their respective appurtenances and all other my personal estate and effects of every description to hold the same unto and to the use of the said John ALLWAY and Edward STINCHCOMBE their heirs, executors adminstrators and assignes according to the legal qunatity (?) thereof respectively upon trust at such time or times as they in their discretion shall think proper to sell and convert the same with money whether by public auction or private contract as they shall think proper with power to give weight to purchasers without satisfying (???) such purchasers to see (?) to the application of the moneys paid by them respectively and also with power to invest moneys which may come to their hands on such securities as they make think fit and to vary and transfer such securities at their discretion . And in trust by and out of the moneys arising by such sales and other my persoanl estate to pay and discharge all my mortgage and other debts and my personal and testementary expenses held in trust during the natural life of ym wife Mary COOPER to permit her to occupy and enjoy all my said real and personal estate until such sales and conversions aforesaid and afterwards to pay to her the net sum income arising from all my property for her own benefit on condition that she shall join in the conveyance to the said Hannah DAVIS for the purpose of her ??essing her(?) down (?) in the premises so contracted to be sold. And after the decease of my said wife or her breach of the condition aforesaid in trust that my said trustees shall ??? and ??? of my said estates and effects or such parts thereof then remaining undisposed of under the trusts aforesaid for Joseph COOPER , Thomas COOPER, William COOPER, John COOPER, JAMES COOPER, Mary WALLINGTON, Harriet COOPER and Ann COOPER sons and daughters of myself and my said wife their heirs executors adminstrators and assigns equally as tenants in common and to be vested interests in them respectively immediately on my decease.And if either of them shall then be under the age of 21 years in trust to apply and pay the nety income of each of them under that age for his or her benefit at the discretion of my said trustees until they shall respectively attain that age and I appoint the said John ALLWAY and Edward STINCHCOMBE executors of this my will. And I declare and direct that the trustees and trustee of this my will for the time being shall be allowed and may (?) attain (?) all their costs charges damages and expenses to be occasioned in the execution of the trusts hereby in them or him reposed (?) And that they shall not be answerable one for another and by no means for involuntary losses nor for any loss which may happen on account of their permitting my said wife to occupy and enjoy my said estate and effects until such sales and conversions as aforesaid. In witness whereof I have to this my will set my hand and seal this 7th day of December in the year of our lord 1833. The mark of Joseph COOPER. NB. Joseph COOPER was buried on the 12th of December 1833 ( 5 days after this will ) aged 77 giving him a birth date of abt 1756. All 8 children are mentioned. Hopefully this will conclusively answer Rodericks question which he is entirely correct to ask. Mary COOPER married Charles WALLINGTON on the 5th of October 1828 and in 1851 they were at Oldbury on trhe Hill a couple of miles away. 21 WALLINGTON Charles 44 Journeyman Carpenter Hillsley Mary 44 Hawkesbury William 19 Ag Lab Hillsley Charles 12 Scholar Hillsley Joseph 12 Scholar Hillsley Martha 8 Oldbury on the Hill John 5 Oldbury on the Hill There are further pages from this will to come - court and legal stuff. Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk

> A tranter is defined in my dictionary as a hawker or carrier. Elsewhere, > Thomas Cooper is described as a haulier, so perhaps he did more carrying > than hawking. I always imagined him as a Hawkesbury version of Del Boy. > And in 1871 Robert TUCK who is mentioned in one of the wills is listed as a Coal Haulier. In 1851 he is a farmer of 14 acres. Next door is a 62 year old Hannah DAVIS. 75 TUCK Robert 46 farmer 14 ac Hawkesbury Harriet 44 Hawkesbury Elizabeth 13 Hawkesbury Robert 11 Scholar Hawkesbury Mary 8 Scholar Hawkesbury REED Thomas Lodger 24 Ag Lab Hawkesbury 76 DAVIS Hannah 62 Farmer 8 ac Hawkesbury Sarah Ann Niece 23 Hawkesbury Geoffro

Doug wrote :- ><>>Geoffro might look up the marriage on his microfiche to see if there's a clue. Geoffro's reply number 1 Perhaps Doug thinks marriage is a death sentence as I have the burial fiche not the marriage. Geoffro's reply number 2 Mother is asking father if he will put the �100 needed to buy ALL the available Hawkesbury registers on his credit card and accept payment from me in 2 instalments. Tis my birthday soon...and the fiche reader is now paid for. Geoffro's reply number 3 I just happen to have a photocopy of the parish regsiter entry Register entry no. 33 on the 11th of October 1840 sees the marriage of James COOPER described of "of full age" and Ann LEWIS descibed as "under age". He a bachelor and she a spinster. James is a labourer and Ann has no occupation listed. Both were resident in Upton at the time of marriage. James father is listed as Joseph COOPER Farmer and Ann's as Thomas LEWIS Carpenter. James signed his name. Ann made a mark. The witnesses were William COOPER and John WINBOW ( who we think was perhaps a clerk or something similar). Boy that made me feel GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk >

on 10/08/2000 10:32 pm, Wessex Estates & Securities at wessex@iinet.net.au wrote: > Could not Joseph COOPER ( the father of James COOPER who married Ann LEWIS in > 1840 in Hawks. ) just as easily be any one of the following culled from the > IGI ? : The only James COOPER registered in Hawkesbury between 1810 and 1830 is the one who is a son of Joseph and Mary COOPER. Joseph and Mary have a whole list of children registered in the period 1805-29 which match exactly the ones given in your John COOPER will. So it looks like James must be the son of Joseph who is brother of John and hence son of Thomas and Martha. However we can't be certain that the James who married Ann LEWIS is this one unless the marriage certificate gives some clues. He might be the other James who is the son of Thomas and Ann COOPER born ca 1803. Or he might even be from a distant parish. Geoffro might look up the marriage on his microfiche to see if there's a clue. I don't think any of us have worked on the very early COOPERS you ask about yet. Doug Thompson

Hi Listers > In the Consistory Court of Gloucester > In the ? of Thomas Cooper deceased may be "In the Matter of" or any other Latin equivalent like "res" for "thing" Does that help? Regards Leith Friend Hamilton New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: R.P. & A.L. Lawrence <lawrence@hazels.u-net.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:25 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Will of Thomas COOPER [1812 -= 1854] > In the Name of God Amen, I Thomas Cooper residing in the Parish of > Hawkesbury Upton in the County of Gloucester being in sound mind do make > this my last Will and Testament, I give and devise unto my wife Elizabeth > Cooper all my Money Household Goods Furniture and all my Horses Waggon Carts > Farming implements and every thing I have for her own use and benefit, > > In the Consistory Court of Gloucester > In the ? of Thomas Cooper deceased > > 30th August 1854 >

Hello, I am interested in hearing from persons who descended from several generations of wives of Stinchcomb men. I also have no information on several of these ladies and would appreciate hearing about them. The people are: Susanna COOK (1786-1868), wife of Henry STINCHCOMB. Sarah GUEST, wife of Daniel STINCHCOMB, they married 1762. Sarah SMART, wife of Nicholas STINCHCOMB, married in 1622. Thank you. Ted Wackerle, Berrien Springs, Michigan USA

on 11/08/2000 12:03 am, R.P. & A.L. Lawrence at lawrence@hazels.u-net.com wrote: > By the way, Doug, an executor of a will can also be a beneficiary. What you > cannot be is both a witness and a beneficiary. OK I was wrong there. Perhaps the fact that executors are usually given a commission from the estate means that they didn't get a bequest as well. Doug