----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Sheppard <ade@3dfx.com> > > It seems that Mary MILSOM, daughter of James & Sarah MILSOM of Sopworth, > baptised in 1791, is the closest match, although as you mentioned she would > only have been about 12 years old when she married! James and Sarah seemed > to have had their children baptised at approx 2 year intervals, and so I > expect Mary to have been born within a year of her baptism. > Hi Adrian I think we've conversed elsewhere about MILSOMs a while ago. A couple of generations earlier I connect with the MILSOMs of Sopworth. John CHAPMAN of Sherston Magna married Mary MILSUM in Didmarton in 1725. Their first son, Davis CHAPMAN, was baptised in Sopworth in 1727. I think the name Davis may have come from the MILSUM side, as I haven't found it in the CHAPMAN line. Have you got this far back yet? Pauline Kennedy

Thoroughly enjoyed the 'get together' at Hawkesbury yesterday. If you were unable to attend you really missed a most interesting and enjoyable day. Many thanks to Geoff for organising it and also the locals for their contributions. I look forward to the next one. Janet

Hi Listers I must agree with Doug It was a great day, If you couldn't make it then you missed out, It was so nice to meet listers in 3D many thanks to the Pond Dipper for organising it and everyones support. St Mary's was opened for us it was the first time I had been inside for years it was nice to read the Mi's again and know who they were this time. The party was still going when I left and Geoff had just changed into his pink frock and was going to do his famous Shirley Temple act complete with fairy wand. Thanks again Geoff great day out Robert Millard

For anyone interested: In the 1841 census of staff and inmates of Lacock Workhouse, Laycock Parish, Chippenham, Wilts. RODWAY, Caroline aged 9 yrs. Inmate Not from Wiltshire (she may be one of your strays) ? ________________________________ Ronda Wicks Ontario, Canada

Amen to all that. Thanks to Geoff for the idea and the arrangements. And no-one went in the pond! Bob & Anne Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Thompson <doug@thom.screaming.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] A Great Day! > This is Doug Thompson, just arrived home in sussex after the "get together". > A great day was had by all. Thanks to the Pond Dipper for getting it > organised and to all the friendly people (and bar staff at the Beaufort) who > made it so enjoyable. > > Anyone who didn't come must make a big effort to get to "the next one". > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/search > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > >

Dear Listers, In a book called "Notes and Recollections of Stroud" by Paul Hawkins Fisher, first published in 1871 and re-published in 1986 is a story of the murder of William WICKS who owned Cuthams Cottages on pages 206 and 207. Is there someone on one of the lists with access to this book who might be kind enough to copy, scan and send me these pages or copy the details for me? I would be very very very appreciative! Happy Hunting everyone! Ronda WICKS (Woodstock, Ontario, Canada) ________________________________ Ronda Wicks Ontario, Canada

This is Doug Thompson, just arrived home in sussex after the "get together". A great day was had by all. Thanks to the Pond Dipper for getting it organised and to all the friendly people (and bar staff at the Beaufort) who made it so enjoyable. Anyone who didn't come must make a big effort to get to "the next one".

Hello Rod What JONES names are you interested in in the Hawkesbury areas? Dave Hedges davehedges@care4free.net http://www.davehedges.care4free.net/ =============================== Researching: STINCHCOMBE/STINCHCOMB (Hawkesbury) HEDGES (Gloucestershire & Hannington, Wiltshire) MERRIMAN (Stow On Wold) FOWLER (Wotton-U-Edge) GALE (Gloucestershire) ILES/ILLES (Hawkesbury) CORNOCK (Slimbridge/Hawkesbury) JONES (Crudwell & Long Newnton) =============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Rees" <rod_rees@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 12:57 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Kawkesbury search | My Hawkesbury names of interest are REED, CARTER, THOMPSON, BESSELL, | BESSELL, JENKINS, PASCO, PENTY, JONES, GOLLOP, HULBERT | _________________________________________________________________________ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. | | Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at | http://profiles.msn.com. | | | ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== | When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. | Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. | | ============================== | Check out RootsWeb's new threaded archives! | http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ |

Hi Rod Am interested in your REEDS I have quite a few who emanated from Tormarton circa 1550 but none who I have yet traced to Hawkesbury Best wishes Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod Rees <rod_rees@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 12:57 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Kawkesbury search > My Hawkesbury names of interest are REED, CARTER, THOMPSON, BESSELL, > BESSELL, JENKINS, PASCO, PENTY, JONES, GOLLOP, HULBERT > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > Check out RootsWeb's new threaded archives! > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >

My ex-husband's Aunt was Edna Comley (from Purton, Wilts) I have details of her and husband, they also had a son. If you think there is a connection please come back to me. They are not of our family directly but the link would still be interesting. Anne

My Hawkesbury names of interest are REED, CARTER, THOMPSON, BESSELL, BESSELL, JENKINS, PASCO, PENTY, JONES, GOLLOP, HULBERT _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Cousin Roderick COOPER has mailed to point me to the following entry for the `1881 census. Dwelling: High St Census Place: Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England Source: FHL Film 1341606 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2511 Folio 40 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Ann Iles COOPER W 59 F H Upton, Gloucester, England Further contributing to the belief that Joyce who married Thomas LEWIS was Joyce ILES daughter of Moses. What do other listers think ? Geoffro

>From: Adrian Sheppard <ade@3dfx.com> >Here are my Hawkesbury specific surname interests... > >MILSOM, STINCHCOMB, CHAPPEL, MALLARD and RODWAY. > >Check out my NEW Web Site for all the relevant details on these surnames, >and about 340 additional ones. http://www.sheppardfamily.net/fh Hi Adrian and List, Check it out I did, and very nice it is. Especially your Mary MILSOM bap Sopworth 20 Nov 1891. I have Mary MILSOM, of parentage unknown, mar. Nathaniel SARGEANT 13 Oct 1804 at Hawkesbury. Not sure if we have had this discussion - do you think she could be the one and same. Trouble is, if she was baptised near to the time of her birth, she would be 12 years and 11 months at the time of marriage. Do you happen to know if your people were quite prompt in the matter of baptisms??? Linda in Australia, wishing she was at the Get Together

Hi Linda, Your Mary MILSOM has been puzzling me for quite some time. It seems that Mary MILSOM, daughter of James & Sarah MILSOM of Sopworth, baptised in 1791, is the closest match, although as you mentioned she would only have been about 12 years old when she married! James and Sarah seemed to have had their children baptised at approx 2 year intervals, and so I expect Mary to have been born within a year of her baptism. I do have a couple more Mary MILSOM's who I haven't connected with my MILSOM line who are also possibilities. They are (all baptism's)... 1777 Jan 12 Mary daughter of Henry & Hannah MILSOM, Dauntsey, Wiltshire 1776 Dec 8 Mary daughter of Jacob & Elizabeth MILSOM, Cliffe Pypard, Wiltshire 1750 Mar 4 Mary daughter of Thomas & Ann MILSOM, Easton Grey, Wiltshire. (Mary's mother was Ann PINCOTT of Hawkesbury and Thomas & Ann married in Hawkesbury in 1747. Also it is possible, but I haven't proved it yet, that this Thomas & Ann had a son James who was baptised in 1754 and is possibly the same James who is the father of Mary MILSOM baptised in 1791, Sopworth) Do you know if Mary & Nathaniel appear in the 1841 Census? This might give us a clue to her age and also if she was born in the same parish that she resided. Also have you managed to find her burial. If you do this might also give us a clue to her age. Is this Nathaniel in the 1851 Census ? If so, then I guess Mary must have died before 1851, probably in Kingswood. Kingswood, Gloucestershire - Entry 90 SARGENT Nathaniel 69 Ag Lab Kingswood Sarah 45 Berkeley Sarah 30 ? Likely 3 Berkeley Regards, Adrian Sheppard Email: (mailto:ade@sheppardfamily.net) Web Site: http://www.sheppardfamily.net/fh Currently researching WILTSHIRE, CORDY, TAYLOR and FLOOK, all in the areas of Mangotsfield and Westerleigh in Gloucestershire.

Hi Rhonda Nice to hear from you again, glad to see they let you back into Canada with that Beaufort Inn shirt on. Is it poss that Elijah and Wiliam WICKS were born in Wiltshire but mother brought them back to Hawkesbury for Christening hence they are correct in parish register and census, I know Ann CORNOCK nee ILES living in Slimbridge did that so did I with my children. William on wedding record may have been "of this parish" because he was living or working there but born in Sherston in most cases the vicar was some learned gent from far away and would not have known if William was born in Hawkesbury or not it looks very confusing to me. Have you checked the parish records to see if Wiliam had asked to live in Hawkesbury or had to prove he had the right to live there, I found some great details for my CHAPPELL's that way because they gave a brief resume of their life including marriage and military service and parents moves from parish to parish, its worth checking both parish records because they would write to each other to confirm details ect . regards Robert Millard PS I'll force myself to have a drink of "warm" beer for you tommorow at the Beaufort ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Wicks" <mypal@execulink.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] MILLSOM / STINCHCOMBE / CHAPPELL / WICKS et al > For Geoffro and Robert (and anyone else interested): > > Joseph MILLSOM married Ann STINCHCOMBE on 6 May 1858 in Hawkesbury (from > IGI) ... > > Joseph MILSOM signed as a witness to my George WICKS' (b. abt 1822 of > Alderley, Glos. according to census data) marriage to Mary WITCHELL WATTS in > Sopworth, Wilts. (near Sherston) in 1852 (parish records); Mary b. abt 1833, > of Sherston, was a daughter of a Nathaniel WATTS. Labourer, (may or may not > be the same Joseph Milsom as the one named first, above) > > There is no Nathaniel WATTS that I can find who is appropriate for the > position as Mary's father in Wiltshire. However, a Nathaniel WATTS married > Ann DAVIS 1 Sep 1833 in Hawkesbury. He may or may not be the right one > however, DAVIS is also an alias of WICKS! > ------------------------------- > Now, William WICKS (one who is the right age to be my George WICKS' father > but isn't likely because I have found a more probable William WICKS) married > Martha CHAPPEL in Hawkesbury, Wilts. on 25 Sep 1828. Here is what was > written on the marriage record ... > > William WICKS of this Parish (meaning Hawkesbury) and Martha CHAPPEL of the > Parish of Sherston in the County of Wilts. were married in this church ... > solemnized by (Dr?) REED, Curate. This marriage was solemnized by William > (his signature) and Martha ("X") in the presence of John ROBBINS and Thomas > WHITTERN. > > William and Martha christen sons Elijah LATHOM WEEKS (4 Aug 1833) and > William LATHOM WEEKS ( 2 Jan 1831) in Hawkesbury and in 1851 census for > Tything of Upton they are living with son Elijah but now William is > reportedly born in Sherston, Wilts. (not Hawkesbury, Glos.) and Martha is > apparently born at Newington Bagpath! > > I wonder if they were trying to confuse us who are already confused?! LOL > ____________________ > > Finally, as promised, some of the same names of Hawkesbury found in > Sherston, Wilts. area ... > > WICKS, John marr. Mary WATTS 21 Nov 1708 Sherston > WICKS, Francis marr. Elizabeth DAVIS 20 Jun 1758 Luckington > WICKS. Jacob marr. Lucy MILLARD 4 July 1825 Grittleton > WICKS. Thomas marr. Mary THOMPSON 28 Aug 1848 Sherston > WICKS, Henry marr. Janette MILLARD 28 Aug 1853 Hullavington > > These are only the ones at the top of the pile! LOL > > I am interested in anyone's input on any of these people. > > All the best, > Ronda > > ________________________________ > > Ronda Wicks > Ontario, Canada > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Have your Hawkesbury research needs added to the Hawkesbury Family History pages. Send an email to ThePondDipper@HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk > > ============================== > Search over 64,000,000 records in the Social Security Death Index: > http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ > >

Just a note to wish everyone a great weekend. Can't make it myself but will now take the opportunity to re-post my interests. Brian Beeche Comley Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - U.K.) e-mail - Brian@bcomley.freeserve.co.uk Interests:- BEECH (Mon) / CARTER (Higham Ferrers, N'hants) / CLARE (Bedford & Sandy, Beds; Kimbolton, Hunts; Abergavenny, Mon; Porthcawl, Glam) / COMLEY (Great Somerford, Wilts; Pontypool & Newport, Mon; Porthcawl, Glam) / HOLMAN (Perranzabuloe, Cornwall) / HOPKINS (Wickwar, Glos) / PINKERD (Beds) / PRICE (Saint James, Carms; Penderin, Brecon; Penygraig & Tonyrefail, Glam) / REDDY (Wickwar, Glos) / STINCHCOMB (Yate & Wickwar, Glos) / THOMAS (Newport, Mon) / TREVETHAN (Perranzabuloe, Cornwall; Bishop Aukland & Saint Oswald, Co.Durham; South Hamlet, Glos; Tonyrefail Glam) / WITHAELL (Perranzabuloe, Cornwall)

Hi Rhonda, The Joseph MILSOM who married Ann STINCHCOMB, was baptised in Sopworth in 1833 (born c1832). His father James MILSOM lived in Sopworth the whole of his life, being baptised(1793), married(1815) and buried(1867) there. His mother Elizabeth GARLICK, baptised in South Cerney, was also buried there in 1862. I'm sure the Joseph MILSOM who witnessed the marriage is the same person. Regards, Adrian Sheppard Email: (mailto:ade@sheppardfamily.net) Web Site: http://www.sheppardfamily.net/fh Currently researching WILTSHIRE, CORDY, TAYLOR and FLOOK, all in the areas of Mangotsfield and Westerleigh in Gloucestershire.

> Hi Listers, > The Thomas LEWIS mentioned in the Will is probably the one who can be found in the 1851 > Hawkesbury Census a carpenter aged 51. However, the interesting person from the ILES point of view > is his supposed wife Joyce aged 52 - this I believe is a daughter of Moses ILES - there is an IGI > record of her baptism in 1798 at Hawkesbury. Hi Dennis I was hoping that would be your answer. If Thomas Lewis is indeed the one that is married to Joyce then I can offer you this. Their daughter Esther born abt 1824 married Thomas COATES - Thomas was the base born son of Betty COATES - her 3rd base born child. The first 2 were to one of our William THOMPSON's. I have a record somewhere of who the father is but not sure at this stage, however The Grave Robber tells me that Cath McIlwrick from Alveston, Derbyshire will be attending the get together. I am confident that she will have a copy of the bastardy bond. Thomas and Esther COATES had a daughter who married a William WATTS. Jesse LEWIS married Eunice HOPKINS and again somewhere I have further details of her parentage and siblings (memory says there were a few). Thomas LEWIS the son married Hannah SIMS. Henry John LEWIS married a woman from Acton Turville called Sarah Ann. Their son Charles Henry LEWIS married Emily (1858) THOMPSON who is 1st cousin 3 times removed to Mrs Pond Dipper. Emily was the daughter of Daniel THOMPSON and Martha Ann from Wiltshire. Ann LEWIS married James COOPER who was the son of the uncle and niece pairing of Joseph COOPER and Mary THOMPSON. Mary was Mrs P's 1st cousin 5 times removed and James was 2nd cousin 4 times removed. I have a feeling that I have copies of parish marriage entries for some of the above. Hope this is of interest and helps. Will we see you tomorrow ? Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk 0117 938 1338 07932 898 902

Hi Listers, The Thomas LEWIS mentioned in the Will is probably the one who can be found in the 1851 Hawkesbury Census a carpenter aged 51. However, the interesting person from the ILES point of view is his supposed wife Joyce aged 52 - this I believe is a daughter of Moses ILES - there is an IGI record of her baptism in 1798 at Hawkesbury. As for the Daniel ILES found in Hawkesbury in the 1851 Census, he is enumerated as being born in North Cerney and is living with his sister Dorothy ILES aged 63 and born in Castleeaton (wherever that may be). In the Hawkesbury churchyard is a tomb with the inscription "In memory of Dorothy Arkell ILES daughter of William and Elizabeth ILES of Saddlewood in this parish who departed this life June 24 1851 aged 64 years". This probably the same Dorothy. Also in the tomb is Mary ILES another daughter of William and Elizabeth who died in 1828 aged 39. All this implies that:- a) Dorothy was unmarried. b) She had a brother Daniel and sister Mary. c) Their parents were William and Elizabeth ILES. d) Elizabeth's maiden name was probably ARKELL. e) They lived at Saddlewood from at least 1828. f) They were probably incomers since their places of birth are outside Hawkesbury. For those who are interested Dorothy left a Will............ ILES dorothy arkell 1852 hawkesbury 1852/4 Interestingly there is this record from the 1851 Hillsley Census - a bit of a coincidence of names and places! 19 ILES William 57 Farmer 6 ac Castle Eaton Dorothy 57 Boddington Mary 26 Visitor Wcs Netherton ARKELL Dorothy Ann Niece 19 Salford Oxon RUTH Clements Servant 18 Horton Dennis

For Geoffro and Robert (and anyone else interested): Joseph MILLSOM married Ann STINCHCOMBE on 6 May 1858 in Hawkesbury (from IGI) ... Joseph MILSOM signed as a witness to my George WICKS' (b. abt 1822 of Alderley, Glos. according to census data) marriage to Mary WITCHELL WATTS in Sopworth, Wilts. (near Sherston) in 1852 (parish records); Mary b. abt 1833, of Sherston, was a daughter of a Nathaniel WATTS. Labourer, (may or may not be the same Joseph Milsom as the one named first, above) There is no Nathaniel WATTS that I can find who is appropriate for the position as Mary's father in Wiltshire. However, a Nathaniel WATTS married Ann DAVIS 1 Sep 1833 in Hawkesbury. He may or may not be the right one however, DAVIS is also an alias of WICKS! ------------------------------- Now, William WICKS (one who is the right age to be my George WICKS' father but isn't likely because I have found a more probable William WICKS) married Martha CHAPPEL in Hawkesbury, Wilts. on 25 Sep 1828. Here is what was written on the marriage record ... William WICKS of this Parish (meaning Hawkesbury) and Martha CHAPPEL of the Parish of Sherston in the County of Wilts. were married in this church ... solemnized by (Dr?) REED, Curate. This marriage was solemnized by William (his signature) and Martha ("X") in the presence of John ROBBINS and Thomas WHITTERN. William and Martha christen sons Elijah LATHOM WEEKS (4 Aug 1833) and William LATHOM WEEKS ( 2 Jan 1831) in Hawkesbury and in 1851 census for Tything of Upton they are living with son Elijah but now William is reportedly born in Sherston, Wilts. (not Hawkesbury, Glos.) and Martha is apparently born at Newington Bagpath! I wonder if they were trying to confuse us who are already confused?! LOL ____________________ Finally, as promised, some of the same names of Hawkesbury found in Sherston, Wilts. area ... WICKS, John marr. Mary WATTS 21 Nov 1708 Sherston WICKS, Francis marr. Elizabeth DAVIS 20 Jun 1758 Luckington WICKS. Jacob marr. Lucy MILLARD 4 July 1825 Grittleton WICKS. Thomas marr. Mary THOMPSON 28 Aug 1848 Sherston WICKS, Henry marr. Janette MILLARD 28 Aug 1853 Hullavington These are only the ones at the top of the pile! LOL I am interested in anyone's input on any of these people. All the best, Ronda ________________________________ Ronda Wicks Ontario, Canada