Hi Tony >Wish to visit,Glos Records Office,Could you advise,if they have record,s for >Kingswood registration district Keynsham BMD >for 1910/1935. If it is parish registers you are after - no, they don't have them. If you are after GRO indexes to births, marriages and deaths, they have those - but I thought you could get them in Bristol? Gloucestershire Record Office email address is: records@gloscc.net Cheers Liz Elizabeth Jack : ejack@gloster.demon.co.uk In Gloucester Hidden Heritage : http://www.gloster.demon.co.uk Glorious Gloucestershire Photographic Collection : http://www.gloster.demon.co.uk/cdindex.html Gloucestershire Family History Society : http://www.cix.co.uk/~rd/GENUKI/gfhs.htm Researching : BLINKHORNE / BLENKARN : SOSBE / BASTARD : GWINNUTT / RANN : JACK / SESSIONS / COLLETT : PHILPOTT / PURDON both in Ireland only

Hi, I do not know if records here in the U.S. are worse than England but we find this sort of date problem a lot. We have several persons, not too far back (grandmother, great grandmother) that have at least a 10 year spread in birth dates. One example: On the 10 year federal census she gained in age 5 years, 8 years, 15 years. We have a 10 year spread in birth dates between court house records, marriage record, tombstone, obit. Don't panic, we rarely find a completly correct set of records. Ted of Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "den toms" <denzil@yate74.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Moses ILES family - date inconsistencies > Hi Listers, > > On re-examining the information on Moses and Ann ILES family, there seems to be some > inconsistencies in the various dates recorded. > > Ann ILES (nee HANCOCK) was baptised in 1766 but the gravestone inscription indicates she > died in 1813 aged 45 which gives a birth date of 1768! > > Furthermore, there is an IGI entry for the baptism for Daniel, a son of Moses and Ann, for > 1818 - five years after Ann died! Looking at the birth dates for Moses family they came along > regularly every 2-3 years but Daniel is the odd one out - there is a gap of 13 years between his > birth and that of the next older offspring in 1805. > > Additionally there is an 1851 Census record for a Daniel ILES born Hawkesbury in 1808 and > living in Thornbury. If this is the son of Moses then a birth date of 1808 would make more sense > suggesting there may be an error in the IGI data. > > Does anyone have access to the parish records for Hawkesbury to check the baptism date for > Daniel and the burial date for Ann? > > Thanks in advance > Dennis > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Have your Hawkesbury research needs added to the Hawkesbury Family History pages. Send an email to ThePondDipper@HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Pat is very kind to give me the credit for helping me build her BRIDGES ( I know its a bad joke but it has been a long week - quarterly VAT accounts) but the document index to which she refers was compiled by volunteer members of Hawkesbury Local History Society. All I did was put it on the web pages. List members should join Hawkesbury Local History Society. There is a link to them from the web pages. Geoffro

Hi Geoff Could you give me Glos Record Office e mail address. Thanks Tony Caple Downend Bristol UK

Hi Again Geoff Wish to visit,Glos Records Office,Could you advise,if they have record,s for Kingswood registration district Keynsham BMD for 1910/1935. Could you foward your e mail address,so as I can contact you off list. Thanks Tony Caple Downend Bristol UK

on 2/11/2000 10:44 pm, den toms at denzil@yate74.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > Furthermore, there is an IGI entry for the baptism for Daniel, a son of Moses > and Ann, for > 1818 - five years after Ann died! Don't forget that it's not very unusual for children to be baptised when they are older. This could easily be a baptism of a 5 year old (or 10 year old) Daniel. Doug

Hi Listers, On re-examining the information on Moses and Ann ILES family, there seems to be some inconsistencies in the various dates recorded. Ann ILES (nee HANCOCK) was baptised in 1766 but the gravestone inscription indicates she died in 1813 aged 45 which gives a birth date of 1768! Furthermore, there is an IGI entry for the baptism for Daniel, a son of Moses and Ann, for 1818 - five years after Ann died! Looking at the birth dates for Moses family they came along regularly every 2-3 years but Daniel is the odd one out - there is a gap of 13 years between his birth and that of the next older offspring in 1805. Additionally there is an 1851 Census record for a Daniel ILES born Hawkesbury in 1808 and living in Thornbury. If this is the son of Moses then a birth date of 1808 would make more sense suggesting there may be an error in the IGI data. Does anyone have access to the parish records for Hawkesbury to check the baptism date for Daniel and the burial date for Ann? Thanks in advance Dennis

Hi, Is this Cheltenham, Vic, Aust or not. If it is Victoria then l can have a look for you John

Hi, Is anyone able to check burial records at Cheltenham in 1936? Even a death/funeral notice in a newspaper would help. Let me know your research charges, off list. Regards Joy from downunder.

looking for information re Robert Woolnough married to Frances Eliza Spire/Spires. c1836 at little Sodbury, this is on Birth certificate of first child born 1838, sarah Woolnough. Lived at Starvell, Hawkesbury, 1838 - 1850s Frances died 1846 Family emigrated to Australia then New Zealand c 1852. Very grateful for any assistance. Val Ready email tovar@xtra.co.nz

Would anyone on the list who has Hopkins in Hawkesbury please contact me. Thank you Karen Davies ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Robert, you are an angel! Thank you so much for all of the extra details you have been able to give me especially Caroline's death. It puts to rest, finally, my "Oxenhall/Newent" theory, and finally, I can stop looking outside of Hawkesbury for my HOPKINS. When we spoke earlier, I thought it was Mavis who has HOPKINS in Hawkes. Now I'm not sure. Will post a querie. Thank you, again, Robert Regards Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi I've also been looking at the Old Sodbury BT's and noticed this marriage the man's name was very unclear but this is my interpretation of it (IGI lists it as THURMAN) 10 Jan 1754 THOMSON of Hawkesbury and Betty EDWARDS of North Nibley. Marcia

Hi I've been looking at the 1891 census for Pontypridd and found a "Hawkesbury" STINCHCOME. RG12/4410 page 21 5 Howells Terrace, Glyntaff, Eglwysilan Frank Stinchcombe Head M 25 Coal miner Hawkesbury Alice Wife M 26 Chippenham Mary Miles Visitor 12 Aberdare Glamorgan Adam Bond Lodger S 26 Coal miner Bridgewater Frederick Hurn Lodger S 43 Coal miner Somerset William Bale Lodger S 18 Coal miner Wiltshire Hope this helps Marcia

Geoff, Thank you for that little extract;yes it sounds and feels like my gf John who in my youth attended chapel at Marshfield,then in his 60's.BUT,if the event described was pre 1920 I think it will have been his father,also John,of whom this is the first personal item I have seen. Have just sent Robert a note from Hillesley chapel records at CRO,which seems to support this Am looking forwards to more stuff from the Hillesley memoires john s

Listers will perhaps enjoy reading the following from a "new book" which has been Anonymously "donated" to The Pond Dipper. Efforts are being made to obtain permission to make the whole of the book available to all. If I am right then the "heckler" is list member John STINCHCOMBEs grand dad. ""One of these was Farmer John Stinchcombe of Oxleaze Farm. He walked to chapel every Sunday morning, a red handkerchief round his neck and sometimes wearing one of the old smocked frocks. When one day Mr. Butler waxed eloquent about the reforms Mr. Lloyd George was then introducing, Farmer John banged his stick on the floor in disgust and walked out. “Why don’t you bring the newspaper into the pulpit!” he shouted."" The rest of the "new book" is just as good. Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk

Problems with one of the web pages mean that for now access to the document index is changed. You now need to downlaod it from http://uk.briefcase.yahoo.com/theponddipper Have fun Geoffro

Geoff et al, >Sue SISSONS wrote "Just in case it is of interest to anyone....".... >Not half Sue. You list CHAPPELLs in your research interests. Are you related >to this particular Samuel ? Would love to chat and exchange info. What more can >you tell us about this particular household ? I haven't established a link between this Samuel and my CHAPPELLs (also Pauline Kennedy's) yet. I 'collected' him in passing. This doesn't mean to say a link doesn't exist so any information anyone else can add could be useful. To be honest I don't know a lot about this family group. As far as I can tell, this is the Samuel CHAPPELL whose christening is shown on the IGI as taking place on 25 Dec 1772 in Hawkesbury and whose parents are James CHAPPELL and Sarah. The only (exceedingly slim) link with my CHAPPELLs is in his occupation - Grocer. I have a David CHAPPELL son of Samuel & Sarah who before 1821 was a shopkeeper. David then moved from Littleton Drew to Bath, returning around 1838 as keeper of the Plough Inn, Littleton Drew. Being a small place I doubt whether there would have been more than 1 shop in Littleton Drew and I can't help wondering whether the Samuel on the census was a relation who took over the shop business when David moved. If a link can be established then I can provide any interested party with more info. I have been in 'off list' communication with Pauline Kennedy and I'm sure she won't mind if I quote part of her email. "I have mention of a Samuel CHAPPELL in Littleton Drew land tax assessments. I've only scribbled down rough details .......but Samuel is mentioned 1818 - 21 (?a proprietor) and 1830 and 31 (an occupier) - and possibly other times as well. (That's all I have on LTAs.).....". I strongly suspect that the LTAs Pauline mentions relate to the Hawkesbury Samuel. >I wonder if Patience is in fact Patience THOMPSON born Hawkesbury abt 1774 >as the youngest daughter of William THOMPSON and Patience CHAPPELL. >Nephew Edwin looks interesting as well. The William above was born 1736 and died >1827. Patience his first wife is buried at hawkesbury. Sorry I can't be more helpful but hopefully you can fit another piece of the jigsaw in place. Best wishes Sue Sissons Hemel Hempstead Researching: BALCH and HIPWORTH (Chippenham, Wilts) CHAPPELL (Littleton Drew, Wilts) PRITCHARD (West Kington, Wilts) Still hoping to find links to Hawkesbury!! :-)

I think the 1841 census indicates then that Elijah may have been the only surviving child (?) - William (who would have been 10) and Martha jr. (who would have been 4) aren't there. hmmm A quick scan of IGI LATHOM / LATHAMs found many in Lancashire but there were also some in Hawkesbury (I only scanned through alphabetically as far as Ann / Hannah). Hannah LATHAM married James BUCK here on 30 Sep 1767. A Hannah was christened by William and Mary LATHAM here on 18 Mar 1716. Another Hannah was christened 11 Mar 1741 here by John and Elizabeth LATHAM. Interestingly, an Abigail LATHAM married John NIBLET in Stroud in 1793 and NIBLET is a name from Sherston, Wilts. ! ... so the riddle continues! Thanks for checking the 1841 census for me John! Cheers! Ronda WICKS (Woodstock, Ontario, Canada)

Hello, I was in London yesterday,so checked the 1841 census;it shows Elijah(no middle name-is this significant?) as only child with Wm and Martha at H.Upton,so this doesn't help much at first sight. Also,the Genuki article on surnames suggests that Lathom/Lathan is not a common name in Glouc or Wilts,so this might add to the problem! Am not at all sure how to proceed with this, john s