Hi listers, Just recieved a copy of Thomas ILES Will. It is very difficult to read but the essence of it is below. From the reference to Zachary ILES as a brother, Thomas must be the son of Zacerihas ILES and Euah WELSH bp Hawkesbury 1671. The contents of the Will suggests that either he had no immediate family or that they were all dead by 1727. My one question is - did the term "cousin" mean the same in 1727 as it does now? Dennis Those mentioned in Thomas ILES Will, Hawkesbury 1727. Cousin John TRING left one shilling Cousin Mary TRING?? left one shilling Cousin Edward GILFORD left one shilling James GILFORD left one shilling Cousin Thomas GILFORD left one shilling Cousin ?? HILLIER left one shilling Servant John WASTFIELD five pounds? to be paid when he attained 24 years Executrix Elizabeth PROUT Cousin John PROUT left one shilling Sister Elizabeth PROUT left one shilling Brother Zachary ILES five pounds Cousin Elizabeth PROUT appointed executrix William BENCE witness William ISACK witness

Hi Dave and Cynthia, The online IGI (available as a download in excel format of ALL christenings and marriages at Hawkesbury and Hillesley St Baptist Church through the documents link on the web pages ) gives... 1 Edwin EVANS christened 17th November 1822. This is likely to be the Edwin listed as living in the Tything of Saddlewood, Tresham and Kilcott in 1851 thus EVANS Edwin 28 Ag Lab Hawkesbury Ann 26 Hawkesbury Emily 4 Hawkesbury Elizabeth 2 Hawkesbury 2 A wedding appears on the 7th December 1845 to Ann MANCHIN at Hawkesbury. 3 Edwin is apparently the son of Thomas and Eunice. They are probably this household at hawkesbury in 1851 - EVANS Thomas 60 Carpenter Minchinhampton Eunice 58 Horsley Eliza 20 Governess Hawkesbury Francis Son 23 Carpenter Hawkesbury Sight of the approriate birth and marriage certificates would be most useful. Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.Hawkesburyfamilyhistory.co.uk 0117 938 1338

At 08:20 PM 6/11/2000 -0000, withers17 wrote: >Hampton could mean Minchinhampton, too! >Particularly if Watledge (Nailsworth) is the other entry. > >Ruth Withers > G'day Very likely Minchinhampton and Watledge I would have thought. Hampton in a pretty common diminutive of Minch. Regards Kaye Kaye Purnell <kayepur@ozemail.com.au> Ancestors from GLS who came to Oz? Database kept on GLS arrivals to AUS pre 1888. Entries happily accepted; searches done. Visit my site at <http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kayepur>. Snail mail to 15 Balla Machree Way, Gymea Bay NSW 2227 AUS, including SSAE or 1 IRC.

The name Hampton does ring a bell but can't quite work out which bell! Will give it some thought Anne

Hi, Geoff. Edwin EVANS (in at least one reference Edward) and Ann (maiden name unknown). Great granny dropped the Alice somewhere along the way, which we also have as Anice (can't recall which document off-hand). Her other name appears as Rosina, Rosena and Rose. At first we had no idea where she was born. In the 1881 Bristol census her details were given as "Anice Rosina born in Axbey" - we applied dialect correction, checked the records and behold! We don't have an absolute date as yet, just September quarter 1853.

We've had this crop up as well, and we put it down to Minchinhampton, although we also considered Maisey (Meysey) Hampton at one point. We opted for the former because it was closer to Hawkesbury (10 miles as against 23 according to Parloc) and we were matching to Hawkesbury at the time. They seemed the most likely places and there were other leads suggesting Minchinhampton. In fact, we're not absolutely sure.

Hi Maurice and all >> Can you help me with a place name in Gloucestershire, I have on the 1851 >> census a wife who gives her place of birth as HAMPTON. Minchinhampton was frequently abbreviated to Hampton on the census entries. > I have also >checked >> the 1861 Census but as yet have been unable to decipher the entry for her >> birth. There are two names on the 1861 entry they look like Watledge Watledge exists - it is on the outskirts of Nailsworth. Cheers Liz Elizabeth Jack : ejack@gloster.demon.co.uk In Gloucester Hidden Heritage : http://www.gloster.demon.co.uk Glorious Gloucestershire Photographic Collection : http://www.gloster.demon.co.uk/cdindex.html Gloucestershire Family History Society : http://www.cix.co.uk/~rd/GENUKI/gfhs.htm Researching : BLINKHORNE / BLENKARN : SOSBE / BASTARD : GWINNUTT / RANN : JACK / SESSIONS / COLLETT : PHILPOTT / PURDON both in Ireland only

Hampton could mean Minchinhampton, too! Particularly if Watledge (Nailsworth) is the other entry. Ruth Withers ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Thompson <doug@thom.screaming.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 6:34 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Re:Hampton/Census entry > I think the HAMPTON may be a misreading of FRAMPTON (as in Frampton > Cotterell). Part of Frampton is called Watley's End which is pretty close to > your Watledge? > > Doug Thompson > > on 6/11/2000 11:08 am, Geoff Brightman at > geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maurice French" <maurice.french@xtra.co.nz> > > To: "Geoff Brightman" <geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk> > > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:49 PM > > Subject: Re:Hampton/Census entry > > > > > >> Hello Geoff > >> Can you help me with a place name in Gloucestershire, I have on the 1851 > >> census a wife who gives her place of birth as HAMPTON. I have also > > checked > >> the 1861 Census but as yet have been unable to decipher the entry for her > >> birth. There are two names on the 1861 entry they look like Watledge > >> Whoulsworth, the closest I could come was Watlege in Nailsworth on a > >> gazatteer. Any advice or suggestions would be most welcome, she died in > >> 1868 so I can't check the next census. > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Maurice Keith French > >> Huntly New Zealand > >> maurice.french@xtra.co.nz > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" > > bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > > > ============================== > > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Have your Hawkesbury research needs added to the Hawkesbury Family History pages. Send an email to ThePondDipper@HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

I think the HAMPTON may be a misreading of FRAMPTON (as in Frampton Cotterell). Part of Frampton is called Watley's End which is pretty close to your Watledge? Doug Thompson on 6/11/2000 11:08 am, Geoff Brightman at geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurice French" <maurice.french@xtra.co.nz> > To: "Geoff Brightman" <geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:49 PM > Subject: Re:Hampton/Census entry > > >> Hello Geoff >> Can you help me with a place name in Gloucestershire, I have on the 1851 >> census a wife who gives her place of birth as HAMPTON. I have also > checked >> the 1861 Census but as yet have been unable to decipher the entry for her >> birth. There are two names on the 1861 entry they look like Watledge >> Whoulsworth, the closest I could come was Watlege in Nailsworth on a >> gazatteer. Any advice or suggestions would be most welcome, she died in >> 1868 so I can't check the next census. >> >> >> Regards >> >> Maurice Keith French >> Huntly New Zealand >> maurice.french@xtra.co.nz >> >> > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" > bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ >

If these are names "local" to Hawkesbury, How about Wotton-under Edge for Watledge and Ozleworth for Whoulsworth ?? The nearest to Hampton I can come up with is Hempton near Gloucester. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Brightman" <geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Fw: Re:Hampton/Census entry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurice French" <maurice.french@xtra.co.nz> > To: "Geoff Brightman" <geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:49 PM > Subject: Re:Hampton/Census entry > > > > Hello Geoff > > Can you help me with a place name in Gloucestershire, I have on the 1851 > > census a wife who gives her place of birth as HAMPTON. I have also > checked > > the 1861 Census but as yet have been unable to decipher the entry for her > > birth. There are two names on the 1861 entry they look like Watledge > > Whoulsworth, the closest I could come was Watlege in Nailsworth on a > > gazatteer. Any advice or suggestions would be most welcome, she died in > > 1868 so I can't check the next census. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Maurice Keith French > > Huntly New Zealand > > maurice.french@xtra.co.nz > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

> Apparently not everybody's computer > recognises the sterling sign. Email is sometimes sent as 7-bit data. The pound sign requires 8 bit data. In order to accommodate that a pound sign is often encoded as =A3, which can be very confusing. Most email applications will automatically decode this, though not all, and some need a bit of a nudge to decode it (I press U on mine). If in doubt about encoded characters, if there is a group of three characters and the first is = and the second one of 1,2,8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F then it's encoded. Hope that helps. _________ Dave Stiles http://www.linkcheck.co.uk (Web Design Services) http://about-bristol.co.uk (About Bristol Pictorial Tour) http://bristolindex.co.uk (Bristol Index business/community)

It appears that some of you may think that the meal costs thirty nine pounds. It is in fact Nine pounds and seventy five pence. Apparently not everybody's computer recognises the sterling sign. Geoffro

----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice French" <maurice.french@xtra.co.nz> To: "Geoff Brightman" <geoff_brightman6@thefreeinternet.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: Re:Hampton/Census entry > Hello Geoff > Can you help me with a place name in Gloucestershire, I have on the 1851 > census a wife who gives her place of birth as HAMPTON. I have also checked > the 1861 Census but as yet have been unable to decipher the entry for her > birth. There are two names on the 1861 entry they look like Watledge > Whoulsworth, the closest I could come was Watlege in Nailsworth on a > gazatteer. Any advice or suggestions would be most welcome, she died in > 1868 so I can't check the next census. > > > Regards > > Maurice Keith French > Huntly New Zealand > maurice.french@xtra.co.nz > >

Hi Dave and Cynthia, Do you know who Alice Rosina's parents were ? Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk 0117 938 1338

There is still time to join us for Xmas Dinner at the Beaufort on Saturday December 9th 2000. All list members, their family and friends are welcome. The dinner will build on the success of the Get Together we held in September although it is intended to be more of a social event than a research event. I will be finalising numbers with Mark at the Beaufort later this week (although this won't stop anyone attending). Indeed if you just want to join us for the day and not have the Xmas dinner then you are of course more than welcome to do this as well. Myself and Mrs Pond Dipper will be staying in a cottage on Inglestone Common for the weekend and will be available from 11am (if I get my way) or 12 noon (if Mrs P gets hers) at The Beaufort on the Saturday. Cost of the dinner is £9.75 per head. There is an over 60's option at £7.75 which is a smaller meal. Those of you who have already let me know you are coming now need to decide what you are going to eat. Please choose ONE from the main course and One from the Pudding. Main course, 1 Roast turkey with Chippolata, bacon, seasonal stuffing and cranberry sauce or 2 Scotch Roast Beef with Yorkshire Pudding 3 Vegetarian Option All main courses served with fresh veg and roast potatoes. Pudding 1 Christmas Pudding 2 Meringue Nests with Raspberry Coulis and Cream 3 Cheese and Biscuits all washed down with coffee and mints. Geoffro The Pond Dipper Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk

Hi, Doug Thanks, yes, we do have Eli and Edwin and (we hope) the whole family, though with a few anomalies. Although the 1851 census gives Eli as age 5, the 1881 census gives his age as 37, making him the same age as Edwin (for whom we have no later information. It does look as if the 1846 date may be more reasonable, unless they were twins, which can't be ruled out. The census transcription we have (Beavington's) and your own on-line one give their mother as Sardina from Horsley but if the original is difficult to read then it's possible her name was Lucinda(h) nee STEPHENS, for whom there is a marriage record to a William EVANS at the right place/time. There is no Lucinda of similar age/place otherwise on the census. Anyone any information on this STEPHENS family, please, other than the 1851 census? ___________ Dave Stiles http://www.linkcheck.co.uk/genealogy/

I have this morning updated the front page of the web pages at Http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk The link to the document index has been updated. More importantly a new link has been added to a NEW BOOK. David CHAPPELLs - Hillesley, A Backward Glance is now available for you all to read and use in your own research. Permission has been kindly granted by the CHAPPELL family for its inclusion in the web pages. Anonymous Anne did the original typing a few years ago. Any mistakes though are probably due to The Pond Dippers OCR software. Cousin Doug has once again provided the knowledge and the web space to make it visible to you all. Geoffro

on 4/11/2000 9:00 pm, Dave Stiles at stiles@linkcheck.co.uk wrote: > Cynthia's connection is Great Grandfather Eli Evans, who was born in > Hawkesbury in > 1844. Have you seen Eli on the 1851 census? Our information puts his birth at 1846. See Page 7 of our census pages on http://users.classicfm.net/doug.thompson/HWK/Census.htm His brother Edwin is dated at 1844. Doug

Hi. We're new subscribers, David and Cynthia Stiles from Bristol. We're researching Stiles, Wyatts and Evans in Bristol, Wilts and Glos in general but we both seem to have common roots in the Evans families in Hawkesbury. We'll add the Hawkesbury Evans section to our web site in the near future. Meanwhile we're trying to pin down a marriage between my (David's) great grandmother (Alice) Rosina Evans and George Edward Parker (or it may have been Edward George). Rosina was born in Tresham, Hawkesbury in 1853 (1861 census) and was first known to be in Bristol at her daughter's birth in 1878. Cynthia's connection is Great Grandfather Eli Evans, who was born in Hawkesbury in 1844. He had moved to Wotton by the 1881 census. We think the two Evans families might connect further back, possibly originating in Minchinhampton. Any gap-filling gratefully received. ___________ Dave Stiles http://www.linkcheck.co.uk/genealogy/

I have just confirmed a branch of my line that I have spent many years researching and I want to share it and also to thank Geoffro. As a result of belonging to the Hawkesbury list and Geoff's posting of the Sussex Index where there are several entries regarding John BRIDGES and Arthur CREWE I have been able to confirm that this John BRIDGES is my 10th great-grandfather. I had two wills for John BRIDGES of Wotton-under-Edge - one belonging to my 11th g-g'father and another that was impossible to read. I presumed that the second one was his son until I saw the Index and I starting doubting. It referred to John BRIDGES of Winterbourne, a place that had never been connected with my BRIDGES family. Today I received the will of John BRIDGES of Winterbourne proved in 1610 and there was the proof I needed along with information that fills in a few gaps and tells me that Arthur CREWE was his son-in-law. I really am grateful to be a member of the Hawkesbury List. Pat Adair Auckland New Zealand Researching: POOLE, FRANKCOM, WORKMAN, HANCOCK, THOMAS, PITT, CREWE AND BRIDGES, all of Hawkesbury and EMERSON and HATHWAY of Horton.