Hi Listers Firstly I would like to thank Geoff and Dawn The PondDippers for a great day on Saturday for being such good hosts and for the very hard work behind the scenes involved in organising such an event and also to Mark STEED the landlord of the Beaufort who even let us in an hour early, and to all the people who fought the elements from far a field to make the day a great success. Now the census lookups firstly for 1841 Patrica looking for RODWAY, ALLEN, TROTMAN Horton Thomas ALLEN 35 Mary 30 Maria 12 William 7 Jane 5 John 3 Elizabeth 6 months Upton Susan ALLEN 55 William 30 Ann Richins 26 William ALLEN 35 Eliza 30 Elizabeth 14 George 12 Henry 10 James 7 John 5 Sarah 1 William RODWAY 64 farmer I think this is Pool Farm Ann 50 Ann 20 Harriet 17 Martha 15 John 10 Susan 8 Rowland 5 Dunkirk Giles RODWAY farmer Jane 15 James RODWAY 15 servant Thomas ALLEN 20 servant Hawkesbury Elizabeth ALLEN 70 David ALLEN 54 Farmer Mary POWELL 80 Hillesley James RODWAY 40 ag lab John 15 Sarah 35 Jane 70 Tresham Charles RODWAY 26 Yeoman Richard 11 regards Robert Millard

Hi Robert, I hope you all enjoyed your dinner. Perhaps next year we will be able to make it. If you could look up in the 41 & 91 for any SHIPP's it would be very much appreciated by us. BARBARA SERCHING FOR SHIPP'S ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Millard <Robert.Millard@Btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 09 December 2000 09:28 Subject: [[Hawks]] 1841&1891 census > Hi Listers > I have for a short period the 1841 and 1891 census for Hawkesbury the 1841 is a bit limited on detail but is very usefull all the same, If anyone would like a look up over the next 2 weeks let me know. > The census I have include Hawkesbury, Upton, Hillesley, Killcott, Horton, Tresham, Saddlewood, Little Badminton , Acton Turville > I also have the Glos 51 cd and 1881 UK set and all volumes of Biglands. > I am now looking for members of the STINCHCOMBE family that just seemed to have vanished I suspect they have emigrated so if you come across a STINCHCOMBE in USA Canada Austrailia or New Zealand or anywhere else its very possable one I'm looking for, the name is very local to Hawkesbury area. > Well I'm off to the Christmas dinner at the Beaufort now so all those listers who cant make it may I wish you all a very merry Christmas. > regards > Robert Millard > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Would you look up Lydia Bee in Little Badminton in 1841 and also Edwin Alford Smith? Thank you. R. Barbour

Hi Robert, Thanks for your offer. Would appreciate any information on any ILES you come across in the 1841 Census. Dennis

Ref 1841 census please any RODWAY, TROTMAN OR ALLENs still in the area. Would appreciate if any family of this name are still in the area at this time. Regards Patricia Robert Millard wrote: > Hi Listers > I have for a short period the 1841 and 1891 census for Hawkesbury the 1841 is a bit limited on detail but is very usefull all the same, If anyone would like a look up over the next 2 weeks let me know. > The census I have include Hawkesbury, Upton, Hillesley, Killcott, Horton, Tresham, Saddlewood, Little Badminton , Acton Turville > I also have the Glos 51 cd and 1881 UK set and all volumes of Biglands. > I am now looking for members of the STINCHCOMBE family that just seemed to have vanished I suspect they have emigrated so if you come across a STINCHCOMBE in USA Canada Austrailia or New Zealand or anywhere else its very possable one I'm looking for, the name is very local to Hawkesbury area. > Well I'm off to the Christmas dinner at the Beaufort now so all those listers who cant make it may I wish you all a very merry Christmas. > regards > Robert Millard > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

I found this site about Gloucestershire surnames recently and thought it might be of interest. http://www.grahamthomas.com/glocnames2.html#Early Surnames in Gloucestershire Anne

Just a line to say a big thankyou to Geoff and Dawn for organising the lunch at the Beaufort on Saturday and for the pressies! Anyone who didn't make it missed a great get together and should certainly try to make it next year. Happy Christmas everyone, Anne

To Robert With regard to your very kind offer to look up people on the 1891 Census, I would be so grateful if you could please look for Albert CHAPPELL and wife Kate and children Edith, Edward and Emily ( plus probably several more) I am unsure when Albert died, Kate remarried a man called GODFREY, so perhaps the family may appear under that name. Also would you look and see if you can find a George YOUNG, wife Jane (or Sarah Jane), children Arthur, Henry, Albert & Mary living at Hillesley. Thank you so much, I think you could well be very busy, with look-ups. Hope an excellent lunch was enjoyed by you all. Thanks Rita

Dear Robert, Many thanks for the offer, I would be obliged if you could look up the Family of Job DAVIS, born HAWKESBURY, and his Father Robert DAVIS, also born HAWKESBURY, in the 1841 Census. Could you then look up the Family of WILLIAM JOB DAVIS and his Father WILLIAM DAVIS. Also Henry Robert Witts DAVIS, and George VIZARD and his family. All on the 1891 census. I don't know where any of these would be living, but they were all from around the Hawkesbury area's. Many thanks, Regards, Mavis. Original Message ----- From: "Robert Millard" <Robert.Millard@Btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 9:28 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] 1841&1891 census > Hi Listers > I have for a short period the 1841 and 1891 census for Hawkesbury the 1841 is a bit limited on detail but is very usefull all the same, If anyone would like a look up over the next 2 weeks let me know. > The census I have include Hawkesbury, Upton, Hillesley, Killcott, Horton, Tresham, Saddlewood, Little Badminton , Acton Turville > I also have the Glos 51 cd and 1881 UK set and all volumes of Biglands. > I am now looking for members of the STINCHCOMBE family that just seemed to have vanished I suspect they have emigrated so if you come across a STINCHCOMBE in USA Canada Austrailia or New Zealand or anywhere else its very possable one I'm looking for, the name is very local to Hawkesbury area. > Well I'm off to the Christmas dinner at the Beaufort now so all those listers who cant make it may I wish you all a very merry Christmas. > regards > Robert Millard > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Hi Listers I have for a short period the 1841 and 1891 census for Hawkesbury the 1841 is a bit limited on detail but is very usefull all the same, If anyone would like a look up over the next 2 weeks let me know. The census I have include Hawkesbury, Upton, Hillesley, Killcott, Horton, Tresham, Saddlewood, Little Badminton , Acton Turville I also have the Glos 51 cd and 1881 UK set and all volumes of Biglands. I am now looking for members of the STINCHCOMBE family that just seemed to have vanished I suspect they have emigrated so if you come across a STINCHCOMBE in USA Canada Austrailia or New Zealand or anywhere else its very possable one I'm looking for, the name is very local to Hawkesbury area. Well I'm off to the Christmas dinner at the Beaufort now so all those listers who cant make it may I wish you all a very merry Christmas. regards Robert Millard

The Bristol & Avon Family History Society has redesigned its website, which can now be found at www.bafhs.org.uk So far, we have only transferred the information to the new site, corrected mistakes and made a small number of additions. Over the coming months, we hope to expand the site to make it more useful for both members and non-members who are researching in our area. Bob Lawrence Publicity Co-ordinator

Hello All Just to get things moving again ..... Some of you may remember the discussion a few weeks ago about the unusual Christian name Urania, which occurred two or three times among Hawkesbury families, notably the COOPERS. Browsing through the 1881 census transcription this evening, I found another Urania COOPER (except that it was transcribed Uraina) Details are as follows: Dwelling: Patchway Common Census Place: Almondsbury, Gloucester, England Source: FHL Film 1341606 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2513 Folio 15 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Luke COOPER M 70 M Patchway, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Elizabeth COOPER M 67 F Dunnet St Mary, Wiltshire, England Rel: Wife Occ: Midwife John COOPER U 29 M Patchway, Gloucester, England Rel: Son Occ: Ag Lab Uraina COOPER U 22 F Patchway, Gloucester, England Rel: Daur Handicap: Imbecile It seems like the name may have stayed in the family for about 150 years. One of the earlier Urania COOPERs was bap 20 Jun 1766 at Hawkesbury, and appears to have been the half-sister of the Joseph COOPER who lived at Almondsbury but was buried at Hawkesbury and whose will was proved by the PCC at London. Bob Lawrence

I am sure one of you kind folk would like to answer Gary Geoffro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Mason" <gary_a_mason@yahoo.com> To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 3:04 AM Subject: [GLS] Horton Court House ? What is it ? > My gggrandfather is listed in the 1881 census as > living at the Horton Court House, in Horton, Glos. > Can anyone tell me what the Horton Court house was ? > Was is just the name of a residence "on a court", or > was it perhaps where a judge passed sentence ? Might > he have been the caretaker for the place ? > > Any ideas gratefully accepted. > > Gary Mason > Calgary > ---------------------------------------- > > The census entry is below: > > Dwelling: Horton Court House > Census Place: Horton, Gloucester, England > PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2511 Folio 76 Page 2 > George BAILEY M 60 M Horton, Gloucester, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Labourer > Hannah BAILEY M 54 F Grittleton, Wiltshire, England > Rel: Wife > > > ===== > Gary Mason > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== GLOUCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > FreeBMD Project: GRO indexes database > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com > >

Hello Susie, A friend of mine is a Lord LIVERPOOL admirer and one Sunday afternoon we went to Coombe in search of his home, which we found and duly admired. I can't remember much about the house or even if it was the original but there is certainly something on the site. Kingston upon Thames is a London borough and was once the county town of Surrey. We still have the County Hall, opposite which stands Kingston University. It was at Kingston that seven Saxon kings were crowned and it was the birth place of Edweard Muybridge (AKA Edward MUGGERIDGE), inventor of the zoopraxiscope, a precursor of the moving image. Incidentally he went to California and was involved in a murder but was pardoned rather than hanged. There was a pub called the Lord Liverpool which has recently been demolished after a short and dubious time as a rock club. Cheers, Janet Heskins (Surbiton, borough of KIngston upon Thames, Surrey)

John Thanks for the government site to try. I knew there had to be some type of government records. As I am located in the middle of Kansas USA, it will be difficult to get to the Br Lib at present so I appreciate any help you can give me. Below is more info that I have. Some is documented and some is family hand-me-down history. 1. I do not have an exact birthdate for John. One source says 1793, but the 1860 US census age would come out 1805. Nor do I know where he was born. Census states England as does family lore. I do not know parents name--but as a child always heard about John being a family name passed down(assumed his dad was also a John). I do not know any siblings names for sure. One granddaughter thought maybe he had a sister Mathilda(no documentation). I also know that "a relative" named William JENKINSON(b 1860, d.1913) witnessed his son's(John James) marriage certificate in Illinois. William's father was also named William(b1810 d.1879) How they connected I don't know. 2. John JENKINSON was in Ireland. When he arrived I don't know. He immigrated to USA in 1850. He had something to do with tax collections. The story is that the plight of the Irish(Famine) got to him. At first he used personal funds to try to help, but to no avail.(Family story used to teach us young ones about sharing and giving) 3. While in Ireland, he married Ellen SHORT(b. 1808 Queenstown, County Cork, Ireland) The birth place and date of Ellen is correct and documented by this little Irish lady herself who lived to be 105 and had lots of interviews--so I have quite of few direct quotes from newspapers. Marriage date unknown. 4. Both Ellen and John belonged to the Church of England and raised their family in the church. 5. Their son Thomas(oldest child--I think) was born in 1836 or 1837(conflicting sources) in Queenstown, County Cork, Ireland. (US census confirm Ireland and his obit says Queenstown--date given here is 12 Oct. 1837) 6. Other children were Jane, Elizabeth, Ellen, Mary--all born in Ireland. (Family lore said that Jane died during the crossing to America) 7. In Aug 1847--twin girls(Amelia and Susan) were born in Dublin. His son John James(my grandfather) was born in 1852 in Brooklyn, NY, USA. Thanks in advance for any light that you can shed. Susie JENKINSON Hatfield hatfield@midusa.net ----- Original Message ----- From: john stinchcombe <johnst@waitrose.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:34 AM Subject: [[Hawks]] Jenkinson > Hello Susie, > Your query is the one we've all been waiting for! > If John J was related to the Prime Minister and held a gov app,there is a very good chance we can find him. > > Start with the National Registry of Archives,Chancery Lane,London:- > web-site= www.hmc.gov.uk and e-m nra@hmc.gov.uk > he could well be in their Personal Index,but send them imfo you have posted here; list the responce if you like and we can play it from there. > > There is a huge Jenkinson archive at Br Lib,and it is reasonably well indexed-leave that with me-it may take a while > john s > ps not sure what to do about the horses > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Hello Susie, Your query is the one we've all been waiting for! If John J was related to the Prime Minister and held a gov app,there is a very good chance we can find him. Start with the National Registry of Archives,Chancery Lane,London:- web-site= www.hmc.gov.uk and e-m nra@hmc.gov.uk he could well be in their Personal Index,but send them imfo you have posted here; list the responce if you like and we can play it from there. There is a huge Jenkinson archive at Br Lib,and it is reasonably well indexed-leave that with me-it may take a while john s ps not sure what to do about the horses

Please bear in mind that it is 11.20pm and The Pond Dipper has only just woken up. Need it be a Kingston in the UK. Perhaps it may be Kingston, Jamaica !! A thought that may be worth bearing in mind. Geoffro

Hi Susie, Kingston-upon-Thames is in Surrey and is a fairly big town on the river Thames. BARBARA SEARCHING FOR SHIPPS ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Hatfield <hatfield@midusa.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 05 December 2000 20:49 Subject: [[Hawks]] Jenkinson > Thanks Marilyn for the reply and suggestions. I will try that. > > I suspect that my ggrandfather John JENKINSON(b. 1793?) was a nephew of Charles and a cousin of Robert JENKINSON(Earl of Liverpool). I have been unable to find the names and birth dates of the male siblings of Charles, let along the names of their respective offspring. Kingston was mentioned in the retelling of family history, but I had no idea exactly where or what it was. I will pursue that too. Pardon my ignorance, but what is Kingston on the Thames(I do know the Thames is a river that flows through London)? > > John had some type of government appointment having to do with revenue--but being somewhat of a novice at this I'm not sure how to go researching this. Is there a site somehow that lists government officials for the period 1800-1850? > > Another clue that comes from family lore is that John got to ride some of the King's horses in his youth. This is a story that dad remembers from his youth. > > Susie Jenkinson Hatfield > hatfield@midusa.net > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ >

Kingston -upon-Thames is a small town in the home counties - ie the counties around London. I think it comes in Middlesex - it isn't far from Twickenham, home of English rugby football! There are other Kingstons as you can imagine - eg ~-upon-Hull - in Yorkshire - so be careful about the full name. Try the Gloucester list archive too- or Wessex-Plus - there was someone on one of those lists looking for a Jenkinson because a child was born from a disapproved of liaison and was treated "badly" - the child cleared off to South Africa at the first oppoutunity and all but buried his background. - This was later than your ancestor - I think Victorian times. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Hatfield <hatfield@midusa.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:49 PM Subject: [[Hawks]] Jenkinson > Thanks Marilyn for the reply and suggestions. I will try that. > > I suspect that my ggrandfather John JENKINSON(b. 1793?) was a nephew of Charles and a cousin of Robert JENKINSON(Earl of Liverpool). I have been unable to find the names and birth dates of the male siblings of Charles, let along the names of their respective offspring. Kingston was mentioned in the retelling of family history, but I had no idea exactly where or what it was. I will pursue that too. Pardon my ignorance, but what is Kingston on the Thames(I do know the Thames is a river that flows through London)? > > John had some type of government appointment having to do with revenue--but being somewhat of a novice at this I'm not sure how to go researching this. Is there a site somehow that lists government officials for the period 1800-1850? > > Another clue that comes from family lore is that John got to ride some of the King's horses in his youth. This is a story that dad remembers from his youth. > > Susie Jenkinson Hatfield > hatfield@midusa.net > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

Thanks Marilyn for the reply and suggestions. I will try that. I suspect that my ggrandfather John JENKINSON(b. 1793?) was a nephew of Charles and a cousin of Robert JENKINSON(Earl of Liverpool). I have been unable to find the names and birth dates of the male siblings of Charles, let along the names of their respective offspring. Kingston was mentioned in the retelling of family history, but I had no idea exactly where or what it was. I will pursue that too. Pardon my ignorance, but what is Kingston on the Thames(I do know the Thames is a river that flows through London)? John had some type of government appointment having to do with revenue--but being somewhat of a novice at this I'm not sure how to go researching this. Is there a site somehow that lists government officials for the period 1800-1850? Another clue that comes from family lore is that John got to ride some of the King's horses in his youth. This is a story that dad remembers from his youth. Susie Jenkinson Hatfield hatfield@midusa.net