Does anyone have any history on the BELSIRE family? Elizabeth nee BELSIRE and Thomas NEALE were the parents of Alexander, Edith, Henry, Thomas and William (my ancestor). Pat Adair

on 19/7/03 1:19 am, Pat Adair at [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone have any history on the BELSIRE family? Elizabeth nee > BELSIRE and Thomas NEALE were the parents of Alexander, Edith, Henry, > Thomas and William (my ancestor). > > Pat Adair > Pat I think you already have all the information in J A Neale's book don't you? Doug Thompson

Hi All I'll start again Evan STINCHCOMBE married Lucy BAKER at Hawkesbury, Lucy was the daughter of Edwin Jesse BAKER and Mary Ann WATTS married 23 July 1881,Mary Ann said she was born at Hawkesbury, the marriage cert says she is 22 in 1881. In 1891 they lived at Tresham but had been at Horton from 1885-1890 I have traced Edwin who likes to call himself Jesse and does not age from 1891-1901 (good trick that) but I can not find Mary Ann WATTS. As Carole said there are a couple of Mary Ann WATTS about, one b,1833 and the other b,1847 but this one is 1859 another clue is Evan had a child named Maurice the first time I came across this name in the STINCHCOMBE family but a common name in the WATTS family I also think there is a Horton connection here? Evan was the son of Thomas STINCHCOMBE and Lucy Annie BLAKEN daughter of Charles of Hawkesbury common his first wife, they had 3 children Evan, Clara Ann, and Beatrice, he secondly married Sarah Ann TANDY,they had 7 children Bertha Mabel, Andrew,Mildred Ethel, Ivy Olive, Violet May, Reginald Wilfred and Vera Gladys, Thomas STINCHCOMBE was the son of Joseph S and Mary Jane DEACON his birth cert says he was born at "Waterloo" Hawkesbury has anyone come across this place before its located somewhere on Hawkesbury common. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Carolyn, I think that Elizabeth Manby is too early for me to find a connection at the moment. I was just interested to see MANBY mentioned in Hawkesbury area. Best wishes C.Rihan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: [HWK] Hancock > Thank you for the response on Thomas Hancock. > > Also I don't have any further information on the Manby name or whether there > are many Manby's in the area of Hawkesbury or Uley. I only have the marriage > of Elizabeth Manby and Thomas Hancock. I do have their children. > > > Regards > Carolyn Ostler > [email protected] > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Thanks for the answer. Have you seen any of the following names there or are you related to: HART..HOLLISTER..DYER..HANCOCK...STEPHENS ..My paternal sides's father ancestors... Located in Kingswood/Wickwar/Bristol/Hawkesbury etc. CHAPPEL/HOPKINS...My paternal sides mother's ancestor Oldbury on the Hill... thanks again Carolyn [email protected]

On the 1881 and 1901 census, I have recently come across an Ellen, born about 1831/32 in Hawkesbury Upton, married to Joseph ENGLISH, with son James ENGLISH (born about 1860), living in Lea, near Malmesbury. I haven't come across a marriage for this Ellen and Joseph yet, but it's a possibility that she is Ellen TEAGLE, born May 1831 in Hawkesbury Upton, daughter of Thomas TEAGLE and his first wife Ruth (daughter of John PRITCHARD and Patience CHAPPEL). Ellen TEAGLE is not on the 1841 or 51 censuses with her father Thomas and his second wife Ann in Hillesley, but as Ellen's mother died in childbirth, it's probable that she was raised elsewhere by her mothers's family. But it is known that Ellen TEAGLE had a son in 1858 who in later life retired to live in Lea, nr Malmesbury, hence the possibility that Ellen ENGLISH might be Ellen TEAGLE. Before following this up, does anyone else lay claim to this Ellen ENGLISH in Lea in their family or know of another Ellen born about 1831/2 in Hawkesbury that this could be. Richard Teagle Email: [email protected]

Hi Robert and All I had a look at the 1891 & 1901 census entries on Robert's Wonderful webpages and found Edwin /Jesse and his wife Mary age 36 and 32 respectively on both censuses. As you say, Robert, good trick that - think i'll try it too. Wouldn't they would have been too young to have had a daughter who married in 1881 I couldn't find Edwin Jesse BAKER and his wife Mary Ann on the 1881 census. but there is a Mary A. BAKER, Widow, pauper age 64, born Avening, living at High St Upton with her son Jesse BAKER age 26 Ag Lab, also born Avening. Also a Lucy BAKER age 17 born Hawkesbury Upton is a servant to Joseph HARDING and family, Primitive Methodist Minisiter, living at Middle St, Stroud. Is this the Lucy who married Evan STINCHCOMBE? So are you looking for a Mary Ann WATTS who married Edwin Baker the son,or the father? I have 2 Mary Ann WATTS seeking a husband. One is the daughter of William WATTS & Elizabeth nee GULWELL bapt. April 21 1833. The other was born about 1847, daughter of Lewis WATTS and his wife Mary. There are several Mary WATTS who might also fit the bill. Cheers Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Millard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: [HWK] Mary Ann WATTS > Hi All > Evan STINCHCOMBE married Lucy BAKER at Hawkesbury 23 July 1881, Lucy was the daughter of Edwin Jesse BAKER and Mary Ann WATTS who said she was born at Hawkesbury, the marriage cert says she is 22 in 1881. > In 1891 they lived at Tresham but had been at Horton from 1885-1890 I have traced Edwin who likes to call himself Jesse and does not age from 1891-1901 (good trick that) but I can not find Mary Ann WATTS. > Evan was the son of Thomas STINCHCOMBE and Lucy Annie BLAKEN daughter of Charles of Hawkesbury common his first wife, they had 3 children, he secondly married Sarah Ann TANDY,they had 7 children, Thomas STINCHCOMBE was the son of Joseph S and Mary Jane DEACON his birth cert says he was born at "Waterloo" Hawkesbury has anyone come across this place before its located somewhere on Hawkesbury common. > regards > Robert > Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > >

Hi All Evan STINCHCOMBE married Lucy BAKER at Hawkesbury 23 July 1881, Lucy was the daughter of Edwin Jesse BAKER and Mary Ann WATTS who said she was born at Hawkesbury, the marriage cert says she is 22 in 1881. In 1891 they lived at Tresham but had been at Horton from 1885-1890 I have traced Edwin who likes to call himself Jesse and does not age from 1891-1901 (good trick that) but I can not find Mary Ann WATTS. Evan was the son of Thomas STINCHCOMBE and Lucy Annie BLAKEN daughter of Charles of Hawkesbury common his first wife, they had 3 children, he secondly married Sarah Ann TANDY,they had 7 children, Thomas STINCHCOMBE was the son of Joseph S and Mary Jane DEACON his birth cert says he was born at "Waterloo" Hawkesbury has anyone come across this place before its located somewhere on Hawkesbury common. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi I was interested to read that your Thomas HANCOCK married an Elizabeth MANBY. It's the first time that I've seen the MANBY name appear on this group. Were there many MANBYs around this area? Does anyone else have any? Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: [HWK] Re:Hancock > Hi > I am also interested in the Hancock family. I have a Thomas Hancock > md to Elizabeth Manby 9 April 1665 Uley and their family. > > I have found a Thomas Hancock born 8 Sept 1639 Upton St Leonard > Glouc. father John. Could you tell me if the John you refer to had a son Thomas? > This Thomas may have been a parish clerk in Uley..... > > Thanks for any help > Carolyn Ostler > [email protected] > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you for the response on Thomas Hancock. Also I don't have any further information on the Manby name or whether there are many Manby's in the area of Hawkesbury or Uley. I only have the marriage of Elizabeth Manby and Thomas Hancock. I do have their children. Regards Carolyn Ostler [email protected]

The John Hancock I mentioned married Dorothy Butler prior to 1560, so this Thomas couldn't have been their son. There are wills of Hancocks in Uley starting in 1545. Paul Gifford -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HWK] Re:Hancock Hi I am also interested in the Hancock family. I have a Thomas Hancock md to Elizabeth Manby 9 April 1665 Uley and their family. I have found a Thomas Hancock born 8 Sept 1639 Upton St Leonard Glouc. father John. Could you tell me if the John you refer to had a son Thomas? This Thomas may have been a parish clerk in Uley..... Thanks for any help Carolyn Ostler [email protected] ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi I am also interested in the Hancock family. I have a Thomas Hancock md to Elizabeth Manby 9 April 1665 Uley and their family. I have found a Thomas Hancock born 8 Sept 1639 Upton St Leonard Glouc. father John. Could you tell me if the John you refer to had a son Thomas? This Thomas may have been a parish clerk in Uley..... Thanks for any help Carolyn Ostler [email protected]

Hi Paul In my notes I have Richard HANCOCK's father as Thomas son of John and Dorithy, but not 100% sure ? also I think John HANCOCK left a will at Oldbury on the Hill but I have not had sight of it yet. I have Richards will ref GRO 1649/68 Hawkesbury I think they probably lived at Maypole farm at Upton then moving to Saddewood House where we find son William dies there in 1674. Richard was my 10 x Great grandfather. regards Robert -- Original Message ----- From: "Gifford, Paul" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:06 PM Subject: [HWK] HANCOCK, Little Badminton > > Dorothy, daughter of John Butler, Esq., of Great Badminton (Lord of > the Manor) in the mid-16th century, by > Silvester Gyes, married John Hancock (source - Visitation of > Gloucester, 1623). John and Dorothy Hancock > are listed in 1560 as owners or tenants in Upton Hawkesbury, with heir > Henry Hancock (information thanks to > Robert Millard's Portland Papers pages). I assume they were ancestors > of Richard Hancock (will, 1651, PCC), of Little Badminton. I'm > working on a theory that they were the parents of Silvester, wife of > Henry Neale (c.1565-1657), yeoman/gentleman, of Little Badminton and > later Sherston Magna, Wilts. Henry's daughter was Dorothy Neale, who > married, in 1610 at Hawkesbury, Richard Francklyn. > > Does anyone know where John Hancock's chief residence was? There is a > will from 1597 for a John Hancock, of > Berkeley, Gloucester, but I haven't found one in the P.C.C., though I > haven't looked at the paper index yet. > > Do the Hawkesbury Manor Rolls exist? I wonder what sources might > exist to prove that Dorothy Butler was the > mother of Silvester, wife of Henry Neale, as well as ancestor of the > early Hancocks in Hawkesbury, as I believe > she probably was. > > Paul Gifford > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > 2002 Get Together........This years will be on Saturday the 5th of October and will include The Pond Dipper's 40th birthday celebrations > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

G'day Steve, The FreeCEN site is doing a progressive roll-out to avoid the infamous 1901 census online debacle. Eventually all areas will have access but by rolling out progressively, it keeps the server load to a manageable level. Given that the servers are being provided free by Rootsweb.com, safeguarding their servers has to have high priority. Hope you get access soon (I had a preview peek some weeks ago and I was reasonable happy with it). Bear in mind that the web site will only have those pieces that have been transcribed thus far. There is heaps more work to be transcribed and the project will need more volunteers for several years to come. If you want to volunteer to help, contact Dave Newbury at [email protected] Warmest regards, Terry Waters-Marsh Rockhampton Queensland 4701 Australia FreeCEN Coordinator - Wiltshire (visit the project at http://freecen.rootsweb.com) ARCHIVE CD BOOKS - http://www.archivecdbooks.org A project to reproduce old books on CD for genealogists and pay for the restoration of books in Record Offices, Libraries, etc. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Baker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HWK] FreeCens I find when I go to the site and click 'search the database' it says : 'FreeCEN Search is being deployed gradually, and is not yet available from your location Access will be available from this location in approximately 29 days' Is this just me or is it not available in UK yet. Steve Baker West Yorkshire Researching ELLIS, SHOVELLER, BIGWOOD, KEMP, possibly CUZENS (Portsea, Hampshire) BAKER, PORTER, SMITH (Isle of Wight) PORTER, RAWLINSON, MORLEY, TAYLOR (Grantham, Lincolnshire) CHEDZEY, PERKS (Bridgwater / Bishops St Lydiard, Somerset) COATES, CHAPPELL, THOMPSON (Hawkesbury Upton, Gloucestershire) JORDAN, LEEDER (Brome, Bungay, Whickham Skeith, Suffolk) LANGFORD (Ringstead, Norfolk) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Siebert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 08 July 2003 5:45 AM Subject: [HWK] FreeCens > Evening All, > > > > You may have seen previous publicity concerning the FreeCEN project - the > Internet-based 'free-to-view' project that will enable researchers to view > details of UK Censuses between the years 1841 and 1891, especially the > ability to search by surname across census years and counties. I am sure > that you will agree that to have this facility is an important step. In > particular, it will considerably help researchers that cannot visit the > U.K., or even those in the U.K. who find difficulty in travelling. > > > > Great progress has been made already, and some pieces are on-line. Check out > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > > > However, to put all those details on line does require a lot more effort. > Even if you can only afford a few hours per week, please seriously consider > offering your help as transcriber. Free software, procedures and all kinds > of help are available. > > > > As county co-ordinator for Bristol and Sth GLS I am always looking for > volunteers to help with this county's transcription. Please come forward and > volunteer your help on this important project, I look forward to hearing > from you. > > > > Regards, > > Bernadette > FreeCens Coordinator for Bristol & South GLS > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > 2002 Get Together........This years will be on Saturday the 5th of October and will include The Pond Dipper's 40th birthday celebrations > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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Dorothy, daughter of John Butler, Esq., of Great Badminton (Lord of the Manor) in the mid-16th century, by Silvester Gyes, married John Hancock (source - Visitation of Gloucester, 1623). John and Dorothy Hancock are listed in 1560 as owners or tenants in Upton Hawkesbury, with heir Henry Hancock (information thanks to Robert Millard's Portland Papers pages). I assume they were ancestors of Richard Hancock (will, 1651, PCC), of Little Badminton. I'm working on a theory that they were the parents of Silvester, wife of Henry Neale (c.1565-1657), yeoman/gentleman, of Little Badminton and later Sherston Magna, Wilts. Henry's daughter was Dorothy Neale, who married, in 1610 at Hawkesbury, Richard Francklyn. Does anyone know where John Hancock's chief residence was? There is a will from 1597 for a John Hancock, of Berkeley, Gloucester, but I haven't found one in the P.C.C., though I haven't looked at the paper index yet. Do the Hawkesbury Manor Rolls exist? I wonder what sources might exist to prove that Dorothy Butler was the mother of Silvester, wife of Henry Neale, as well as ancestor of the early Hancocks in Hawkesbury, as I believe she probably was. Paul Gifford

Hi Dennis Edward COLLINS born 1811 at Boxwell was son of Edward COLLINS b,1764 at Hawkesbury the son of William COLLINS and Elizabeth Hart, Edward had a brother Henry and a sister Ann who married Thomas ROBERTSON and lived at Iron Acton both are in the 1851 census Henry is living next door to his father on Inglestone Common farming 11 acres. Edwards son Edward b1836 Ozleworth is at Lye Grove farm on the A46 Nr Old Sodbury with Isaac HATHERELL 677 acres he is couriously named as assistant and if you notice HATHERELL is the middle name of one of Edwards children, Edward of 1764 married Ann HATHERELL. 6 August 1803 at Hawkesbury Edward b.1764 died just after the census of 1851 his will is on my web pages. Also look at the PENLY connection with the WERRETTS in Hillesley its a rare name by 1851 only one instance in Gloucestershire. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've used the new FreeCen search facility over the last couple of days from Cardiff without any problems. It's excellent and very easy to use, though the data on line at present is mostly just the 1841 and 1891 censuses covering parishes in Devon and Cornwall, though there are a few others. Fortunately it turned out that it was the 1891 census for the Plymouth area that I wanted, and found three families on my mother's side within minutes, which would have taken many hours of searching manually as I didn't know the parish (in fact I had assumed they would be in Cornwall, not Devon, so would have gone to the wrong County Record Office). Once more is on-line, this will be a very useful facility. Richard Teagle Email: [email protected] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Siebert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 08 July 2003 5:45 AM Subject: [HWK] FreeCens > Evening All, > > > > You may have seen previous publicity concerning the FreeCEN project - the > Internet-based 'free-to-view' project that will enable researchers to view > details of UK Censuses between the years 1841 and 1891, especially the > ability to search by surname across census years and counties. I am sure > that you will agree that to have this facility is an important step. In > particular, it will considerably help researchers that cannot visit the > U.K., or even those in the U.K. who find difficulty in travelling. > > > > Great progress has been made already, and some pieces are on-line. Check out > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > > > However, to put all those details on line does require a lot more effort. > Even if you can only afford a few hours per week, please seriously consider > offering your help as transcriber. Free software, procedures and all kinds > of help are available. > > > > As county co-ordinator for Bristol and Sth GLS I am always looking for > volunteers to help with this county's transcription. Please come forward and > volunteer your help on this important project, I look forward to hearing > from you. > > > > Regards, > > Bernadette > FreeCens Coordinator for Bristol & South GLS > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > 2002 Get Together........This years will be on Saturday the 5th of October and will include The Pond Dipper's 40th birthday celebrations > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Don't forget to bookmark http://www.HawkesburyFamilyHistory.co.uk and visit regulary. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Steve, I tried a couple of days ago and it said I'd have to wait 9 days, but ever hopeful tried again yesterday and it let me in, so with any luick it won't be as long as it threatens. I'm in Bristol, by the way.. Didn't find anything useful to me personally at present, but it's early days. It'ss till being worked on, so I wasn't downhearted and as extra is added I just know it will be very helpful and much appreciated. Cynthia Stiles http://about-bristol.co.uk (On-line photo tours of Bristol) http://bristolinformation.co.uk (Aspects of Bristol history and genealogy) http://stiles-genealogy.co.uk (Stiles, Wyatt, Evans)

COLLINS is a common name of course, but I'm trying to come down the line from a William COLLINS, who died in Thornbury in 1724. I have details of two of his sons: 1) John was born in about 1683. Like his father he is described in his will as a "yeoman of Eastwood". He married Mary (surname unknown), by whom he had five children: William, born before 1731, John, Thomas, Mary and Jane, all born after 1731. All four were alive when John wrote his will in 1752, the younger four being still under twenty-one, but nothing further is known of them yet. John died the following year, aged sixty-nine, and was buried on 4 June. 2) William was born in 1689, and (probably) baptized at Cromhall on 24 September. He married Sarah GAZARD at Thornbury on 24 February 1717, and they had at least three children: John, born in 1717/8, Betty (date unknown) and Mary, probably baptized in 1732. According to his will, William was "of Falfield & Berkeley" and owned lands at Cromhall & Berkeley. His wife had died before he wrote his will in 1741. William's date of death is unknown, however, because his will was not proved until 1787. Always glad of further titbits. John Partington