Thanks to Fay & Doug for those snippets from the past. Seems to be an indication of tough times abroad .. I have been doing some newspaper research at the time of the 1930s and have similar stories. No more THOMPSON at this stage, but it seems there was a general feeling of sympathy for the tragic circumstances. Here in Australia there was a general crackdown on those 'jumping the rattler' or sneaking onto trains to save the footslogging to the next town in the hope of finding work, even if for a few hours. One such story describes a young man ending up in court charged with trespass because he walked onto some railway property to get a drink of water from a tap.. He was found guilty and sentenced to 'the rising of the court' and sent on his way after the court passed around the hat and handed him some money!. A couple of days later he was found hanged. Anne Maye

John Cooper and his wife Eleanor are buried in a grand tomb in Hawkesbury churchyard. John died on 20th November 1644, age 85, and his wife died 6th May 1645, aged 88. I have always wondered if John Cooper was connected in any way to my own Hawkesbury Cooper ancestors, so recently downloaded John Cooper's will from the PRO website. It is not easy to read, so I cannot yet do a full transcription, but I can understand enough to indicate that there is unlikely to be any connection to other Hawkesbury Coopers. Details are as follows: He appoints his wife Eleanor as executrix He bequeaths twenty shillings to be distributed to the poor people of Hawkesbury He leaves property in Marshfield and Dursley He leaves an annuity of forty shillings a year, out of the rent of his property at Dursley, to be paid to his kinsman Abraham (?) Hutchins He has a nephew John Cooper living in Kent The will was dictated to John Dun(?) of Hawkesbury John Dun of Hawkesbury and Robert Alsopp of Littleton are asked to help his wife as executrix, for which they will receive twenty shillings each. The will is in English, but the probate details are in Latin. Probate appears to have been granted on 13th May 1645, which would make it after Eleanor's death. I would be happy to send a copy of the will to anyone with a better eye for seventeenth century script, and a better knowledge of Latin. Bob Lawrence ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 **************************************

Hi Doug I have a transcribed copy of a letter written by John PITT from Hillesley dated September 30th 1856. In it he mentions "William Thompson's son Isaac. He hanged himself about 3 months ago and you recollect Tom Tandy, Old Tom Tandy's son. He hanged himself a month ago." Must have been hard times! Cheers Fay Qld, Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [HWK] THOMPSON > Thanks Cynthia > > I don't think we had met this before! > > My guess is that it's William Phelps Thompson, son of Lewis Frederick > Thompson. Aged 18. He's on the 1851 census at Upton but not found > thereafter. > > Another possibility is William Ashbee Thompson, son of Joseph Thompson. Aged > 28. Born about 1829 and not found again, but he's not on the 1851 census so > I favour the one above. > > Anyone else any thoughts? > > Doug Thompson > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > Penalty for non-compliance is a Pond Dipping. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks Fay I didn't have that one either. Isaac would have been just 21 years old. It seems the young men were having a particularly hard time! Both the young men who hanged themselves were second cousins of my great grandfather. But he was only born in 1857 so he may have missed the hard time. Doug

Long St, Wotton Under Edge Uriah FOXWELL HD Wid 68 Grocer born Wotton Under Edge Catherine BROOKS Housekeeper UN. 58 Grocer's Housekeeper born Hillsley Emily TAVENDER Servant Un 13 Beneral Servant born WUE Orchard St Wotton Under Edge Elizabeth CRAWLEY HD Widow 42 Fundholder born Hillsley Henry A " Son 5 scholar Born WUE John " " 4 " " " George " " 3 " " Emma SMITH Un 16 House Servant " " ? Godington, Slimbridge Samuel COLBOURN HD Mar 56 Ag Lab born ?Winterbottom, GLS Elizabeth " Wife 58 " Hillsley Hannah " Daur 19 " ?Godington Emily ?AIKEN Visitor 18 Servant " ?Cambridge GLS Cheers Carole

Hi, Is anyone else researching these families? James ALLEN m. Mary HICKS 1798 at Wotton-under Edge | James ALLEN bap 1799 Wotton-under Edge m. Hannah BOWYER | James ALLEN bap 1831 Nympsfield m. Rosetta DANGERFIELD c1830 of Horsley, d. of Joseph | William ALLEN born 1857 Horsley m. Ellen FISHER born 1857 Hallen d. of Frederick and Mary Ann FISHER nee MORSE Maureen.

Thanks Cynthia I don't think we had met this before! My guess is that it's William Phelps Thompson, son of Lewis Frederick Thompson. Aged 18. He's on the 1851 census at Upton but not found thereafter. Another possibility is William Ashbee Thompson, son of Joseph Thompson. Aged 28. Born about 1829 and not found again, but he's not on the 1851 census so I favour the one above. Anyone else any thoughts? Doug Thompson

Nikki Pound Ground is where my grandfather grew up, it is in the centre of Wotton-under-Edge, near the church. Richard Teagle -----Original Message----- From: Nikki Backhouse [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 25 July 2003 11:13 To: [email protected] Subject: [HWK] Help - Wotton under Edge Hi, I was hoping somebody may be able to help me. I have received this morning a marriage certificate for Jesse KATHRO and Hannah LACEY. they were married in the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Wotton Under Edge on 28.1.1844. Jesses is down as residing in Kingswood, but Hannah's residence is 'Pound Ground'. Does anybody know whether this is or was in Wotton, and if not do they have any idea where it might be. Thanks for your help. Nikki ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== 2002 Get Together........This years will be on Saturday the 5th of October and will include The Pond Dipper's 40th birthday celebrations ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, I was hoping somebody may be able to help me. I have received this morning a marriage certificate for Jesse KATHRO and Hannah LACEY. they were married in the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Wotton Under Edge on 28.1.1844. Jesses is down as residing in Kingswood, but Hannah's residence is 'Pound Ground'. Does anybody know whether this is or was in Wotton, and if not do they have any idea where it might be. Thanks for your help. Nikki

Probably Thompson researchers have this one, but I found it in Saturday June 21st 1857 Bristol newspaper: 'Melancholy Suicide On Tuesday last William THOMPSON, a young man of Hillesley was found suspended by the neck from the branch of a tree in one of the fields of John COrnock Esq. He had been in a desponding state for some time past owing to family differences. The jury gave a verdict of Temporary Insanity.' That was all the detail it gave with no further info like his actual age or on what the 'differences' might have been. Cynthia Stiles http://about-bristol.co.uk (On-line photo tours of Bristol) http://bristolinformation.co.uk (Aspects of Bristol history and genealogy) http://stiles-genealogy.co.uk (Stiles, Wyatt, Evans)

Thanks Adrian Interesting Will. I can see that I'll have to put some more effort into finding out about the Wickwar WATTS. I noticed another WATTS/CORDEY marriage at Cam 6 Nov 1801 (William & Sarah). Do you have this one? Cheers Carole

Many thanks to both Brian and Carole for the info on this Mary Ann WATTS. Here is what I can add to the family... William was born abt 1800 in Charfield to William and Hester CORDY. He married Susannah JOTCHAM in 1833 in Christ Church, Bristol. They had four children, Hester (b.1834), Joseph (b.1836), Isaac (b.1840) and Leonard (b.1842). Susannah died in 1844, and William then married Mary Ann WATTS in the December quarter of 1852. William died in 1874 and was buried at Wickwar. I do not know what happened to Mary after this date. William did leave a will, a transcript of which can be found on my web site ( http://www.sheppardfamily.net/fh/cordy/wills.htm#w6 ). His will mentions his wife Mary Ann, his step son Edward WATTS and his two sons Isaac and Leonard CORDY. George WATTS of Cromhall was a witness. -Adrian On Monday, July 21, 2003, at 11:42 PM, anthony sharp wrote: > Hello Adrian & Brian > I've been looking at this family too but can't add much to Brian's > research. > > Pigot's Directory 1830 has Ann WATTS, White Horse, Wickwar. Could she > have > been Charles's Mother? > > IGI has Charles WATTS, son of Edward & Ann WATTS chr. 30 March 1800 at > Wickwar. > > Gloucs Burial Index has the following burials at Wickwar. > Edward WATTS 24 Dec 1824 age 69 > Ann WATTS 25 Feb 1837 age 75. > Charles WATTS 6 Jan 1848 age 45 - he looks likely for the husband of > Mary > Ann. > > Mary Ann WATTS's son Edward married Sarah NEALE on 21 March 1870 and > John > PARTINGTON may know more about this marriage, > > Best wishes > Carole > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Hillesley Family History day will take place on Friday August 30th > 2002 in Hillesley. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I was searching through the 1861 census of Swindon Village and spotted a Thompson . I don't have a missing Hannah Thompson, so I thought I'd ask / share the find in case I should! .. but there is a 16 year old Domestic Servant in Swindon Village born "Glos, Wotton" - or is that "Walton"?. This may not be anything to do with our Hawkesbury Thompsons, but just in case ... Marilyn Moffat

Hello Adrian & Brian I've been looking at this family too but can't add much to Brian's research. Pigot's Directory 1830 has Ann WATTS, White Horse, Wickwar. Could she have been Charles's Mother? IGI has Charles WATTS, son of Edward & Ann WATTS chr. 30 March 1800 at Wickwar. Gloucs Burial Index has the following burials at Wickwar. Edward WATTS 24 Dec 1824 age 69 Ann WATTS 25 Feb 1837 age 75. Charles WATTS 6 Jan 1848 age 45 - he looks likely for the husband of Mary Ann. Mary Ann WATTS's son Edward married Sarah NEALE on 21 March 1870 and John PARTINGTON may know more about this marriage, Best wishes Carole

Carole Thanks for finding Charles Watts (ne Toghill) at St Catherines in 1901. St Catherines was a popular location for the Toghills. Charles is listed in the 1881 census living at Marshfield - Dwelling: Ayford Census Place: Marshfield, Gloucester, England Source: FHL Film 1341605 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2510 Folio 68 Page 13 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles WATTS M 28 M Hawkesbury Upton, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Clara WATTS M 32 F Wexford County Orlando Rel: Wife William WATTS 8 m M Hawkesbury Upton, Gloucester, England Rel: Son I see that Charles is still married in the 1901 census, but no trace of Clara, either with him or elsewhere. Perhaps she had gone back to Orlando? There is also no trace of William, and if Margaret's age of 21 is correct in 1901, then she should have been listed in 1881. Unless we have a sex change here. Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 19 July 2003 22:58 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: [HWK] 1901 census strays - WATTS, TOGHILL, PRITCHARD & PULLEN ¦ ¦ ¦1901 census End Farm, St Catherine's, , Batheaston, SOM ¦ ¦44 ¦Charles WATTS HD M 48 Farm Bailiff, Worker, Born Hawkesbury Upton ¦Margaret WATTS Daur S 21 ?....maid, " ¦" ¦Elizabeth WATTS Cousin M 50 Dairywoman Worker Marshfield ¦Joseph WATTS Cousin 55 Dairyman " Kingswood, GLS ¦Ethel PULLEN Niece S 12 ¦Acton Turville ¦ ¦45 ¦Worthy James PRITCHARD HD M 53 Farmer Employer Marshfield ¦Jane PRITCHARD Wife 57 Bath SOM ¦Worthy James PRITCHARD Son S 23 Farmer's son, Norton ?Matreward, SOM ¦ ¦All of the above are at End Farm and are inter related. Charles WATTS & ¦Joseph WATTS are 1st cousins and they are both 2nd cousins of Worthy James ¦PRITCHARD snr. ¦ ¦Elizabeth and Joseph WATTS are married. ¦ ¦Charles WATTS was baptised as Charles TOGHILL, son of Jane TOGHILL on Oct 9 ¦1853 at Hawkesbury. - Jane married George WATTS in 1856 in Bristol. ¦ ¦Joseph WATTS was the son of Alexander WATTS & Mary WATTS (thats her maiden ¦name as well as married name!) ¦George WATTS and Alexander WATTS were brothers , the sons of Thomas WATTS & ¦Elizabeth DAVIS ¦ ¦Thomas WATTS was the son of Alexander WATTS & Jane KEEPEN. ¦ ¦Yet another complicated Hawkesbury family setup!. ¦ ¦If anyone wants to know more or can contibute any of the wives' ¦maiden names ¦pleae let me know. ¦ ¦Best wishes ¦Carole ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦Xmas Dinner 2002......will be served at The Beaufort Arms on ¦Saturday December 7th ....further details to follow. ¦ ¦============================== ¦To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy ¦records, go to: ¦http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ¦ ¦

Hello Adrian The 1851 Census Mary Ann WATTS is listed as Innkeeper of the "White House" public house in Wickwar (this is probably incorrectly transcribed as it was the "White Horse". She is a 41 year old Wife, born at Horton, Gls. and head of the House. Living with her are her children Edward (17) and Robert (12) who were both born in Wickwar. There is also a Visitor, 22 year old John WATTS, b. Wickwar - ? related to her husband? Was Mary Ann's husband (presumably Charles WATTS - see below) born in Wickwar. If so, were they married there? In the book " Wickwar Through the Ages" (Nov 1999) there are listings of Trades people from, I presume, various Directories:- Taverns & Public Houses 1841 - White House - Charles WATTS (presumably Mary Ann's husband) 1852/53 - White House - Mary Ann WATTS 1900 - Crown Public House, High Street - Sarah WATTS Again quoting from " Wickwar Through the Ages" - "Some of the building structure (The White Horse Inn") is believed to date back to the 16th century. There is a Priest's hole on the second floor. The Earl of Dulcie leased to Stephen BARBER the White Horse Inn and gardens; Stephen BARBER willed the premises to his daughter, Sarah ARNOLD. By 1838 Thomas ARNOLD, Sarah's husband, was the owner of the Inn and Charles WATTS was their tenant." Note Charles WATTS was a tenant so it is doubtful that Mary Ann was the proprietor. My CD of 1861 Census of Gloucetershire (ACDB - www.archivecdbooks.org) shows at White Horse Inn, Wickwar - William CORDY aged 59, Innkeeper and Farmer of 20 acres Mary A CORDY, wife, aged 54 Edward WATTS, step-son, aged 27, Dealer in Pigs [Mary Anne's son] plus two house servants. My CD of 1863 Post Office Directory of Gloucestershire (ACDB - www.archivecdbooks.org) lists William CORDY, White Horse, High Street, Wickwar. " Wickwar Through the Ages" shows that in 1871 William and Ann CORDY (is this Ann your Mary Ann?) were the occupiers of the White Horse and in 1881 it was Mary CORDY. Regards Brian Brian Beeche Comley - Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) FHS Member: Glam (#1433); Gwent (#1318); Wilts (#2186) I use CDs produced by Archive CD Books to assist my own research and that of fellow researchers. Go to: http://www.archivecdbooks.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Sheppard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] Mary Ann WATTS > Does anyone have any info on a widow by the name of Mary Ann WATTS who > married William CORDY in 1852 in the registration district of Chipping > Sodbury? I believe Mary was the proprietor of a public house in > Wickwar, at least that is where she appears in the 1851 Census. After > their marriage William CORDY is listed as the proprietor. > > I'l looking for her previous husband, her maiden name, and her parents. > > Any link? > > Thanks, > -Adrian > > Web Site: http://www.sheppardfamily.net/fh > CORDY/CORDEY One Name Study

Hi Robert That's better! I'm still a bit puzzled though. If you have the marriage cert. for Edwin Jesse BAKER & Mary Ann WATTS, doesn't it give her father's name? I know that the Mary Ann WATTS born abt 1847 (source 1851 census - daughter of Lewis WATTS & Mary or Hester)) appears to be too old, but she was born in Horton and her grandparents were Maurice WATTS & Hester TANDY (nee Not known) and she had an Uncle Maurice as well. But, Mary Ann is not with Lewis & Mary WATTS on the 1861 census - I wonder whether she was still alive then! Back to you! Cheers Carole

1901 census End Farm, St Catherine's, , Batheaston, SOM 44 Charles WATTS HD M 48 Farm Bailiff, Worker, Born Hawkesbury Upton Margaret WATTS Daur S 21 ?....maid, " " Elizabeth WATTS Cousin M 50 Dairywoman Worker Marshfield Joseph WATTS Cousin 55 Dairyman " Kingswood, GLS Ethel PULLEN Niece S 12 Acton Turville 45 Worthy James PRITCHARD HD M 53 Farmer Employer Marshfield Jane PRITCHARD Wife 57 Bath SOM Worthy James PRITCHARD Son S 23 Farmer's son, Norton ?Matreward, SOM All of the above are at End Farm and are inter related. Charles WATTS & Joseph WATTS are 1st cousins and they are both 2nd cousins of Worthy James PRITCHARD snr. Elizabeth and Joseph WATTS are married. Charles WATTS was baptised as Charles TOGHILL, son of Jane TOGHILL on Oct 9 1853 at Hawkesbury. - Jane married George WATTS in 1856 in Bristol. Joseph WATTS was the son of Alexander WATTS & Mary WATTS (thats her maiden name as well as married name!) George WATTS and Alexander WATTS were brothers , the sons of Thomas WATTS & Elizabeth DAVIS Thomas WATTS was the son of Alexander WATTS & Jane KEEPEN. Yet another complicated Hawkesbury family setup!. If anyone wants to know more or can contibute any of the wives' maiden names pleae let me know. Best wishes Carole

Hi, Thanks to Robert, to Steve and to John. Your help was greatly appreciated. I am now on the right path. I wish my researches on the name SCURR in Yorkshire (Leeds/Hunslet) and Cumbria were quite so easy - there is plenty of them but nut the right ones! Again many thanks, Dennis Collins

Does anyone have any info on a widow by the name of Mary Ann WATTS who married William CORDY in 1852 in the registration district of Chipping Sodbury? I believe Mary was the proprietor of a public house in Wickwar, at least that is where she appears in the 1851 Census. After their marriage William CORDY is listed as the proprietor. I'l looking for her previous husband, her maiden name, and her parents. Any link? Thanks, -Adrian Web Site: http://www.sheppardfamily.net/fh CORDY/CORDEY One Name Study On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 12:00 AM, anthony sharp wrote: > Hi Robert and All > > I had a look at the 1891 & 1901 census entries on Robert's Wonderful > webpages and found Edwin /Jesse and his wife Mary age 36 and 32 > respectively on both censuses. As you say, Robert, good trick that - > think > i'll try it too. Wouldn't they would have been too young to have had > a > daughter who married in 1881 > > I couldn't find Edwin Jesse BAKER and his wife Mary Ann on the 1881 > census. > but there is a Mary A. BAKER, Widow, pauper age 64, born Avening, > living at > High St Upton with her son Jesse BAKER age 26 Ag Lab, also born > Avening. > > Also a Lucy BAKER age 17 born Hawkesbury Upton is a servant to Joseph > HARDING and family, Primitive Methodist Minisiter, living at Middle St, > Stroud. Is this the Lucy who married Evan STINCHCOMBE? > > So are you looking for a Mary Ann WATTS who married Edwin Baker the > son,or > the father? > > I have 2 Mary Ann WATTS seeking a husband. One is the daughter of > William > WATTS & Elizabeth nee GULWELL bapt. April 21 1833. The other was born > about > 1847, daughter of Lewis WATTS and his wife Mary. There are several Mary > WATTS who might also fit the bill. > > Cheers > Carole > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Millard" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:48 PM > Subject: [HWK] Mary Ann WATTS > > >> Hi All >> Evan STINCHCOMBE married Lucy BAKER at Hawkesbury 23 July 1881, Lucy >> was > the daughter of Edwin Jesse BAKER and Mary Ann WATTS who said she was > born > at Hawkesbury, the marriage cert says she is 22 in 1881. >> In 1891 they lived at Tresham but had been at Horton from 1885-1890 I >> have > traced Edwin who likes to call himself Jesse and does not age from > 1891-1901 > (good trick that) but I can not find Mary Ann WATTS. >> Evan was the son of Thomas STINCHCOMBE and Lucy Annie BLAKEN daughter >> of > Charles of Hawkesbury common his first wife, they had 3 children, he > secondly married Sarah Ann TANDY,they had 7 children, Thomas > STINCHCOMBE was > the son of Joseph S and Mary Jane DEACON his birth cert says he was > born at > "Waterloo" Hawkesbury has anyone come across this place before its > located > somewhere on Hawkesbury common. >> regards >> Robert >> Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm