Following up on the later dialogue too (but that is downloaded on another computer) don't be so quick to write off the Tetbury Thompson's as "not one of ours" - because don't forget David Thompson (father of Edward - my GGGrandfather) was born in Tetbury. Geoff had some info on him, but I never got my head around it all well enough to put it in my main tree yet, and haven't followed up further, - have you anything more definitive on David and his Tetbury links that might prove there is no link at all, Doug?? Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Doug Thompson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 25 August 2003 11:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HWK] Fw: New to List TILLING & THOMPSON Jane The THOMPSONs are one of the most researched families of Hawkesbury. We have traced their ancestry back many generations (to the 15th century). The only Emma we know of who fits your birthtime is the daughter of William and Mary THOMPSON. She was born 1843/4 because she is 7 years old on the April 1851 census. Emma was christened in St Mary's, Hawkesbury on 18 May 1845. At present we do not have any record of her marriage or descendants so you will be able to fill that in for us. How do you know she was from Hawkesbury? If this identity is confirmed I can supply you with details of Emma's ancestry. (I would be your 5th cousin!) Correspond with me off list for details. It's a pity you are not in England. It is the Hawkesbury Summer Fair next Saturday and many of our family history group will be meeting there! Hawkesbury has such interconnected trees you will find nearly everyone is your cousin of some degree! Nice to have met you, Cousin Doug Thompson ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This looks like William TILLING & family in 1851 Yet more Hawkesbury connections! Best wishes Carole 1967 1851 CENSUS HO107/1967 FF.0038 - 0056 ED.6 & 5 DIDMARTON Piece: 1967 Folio: 0046 Schedule: 042 Address: Oldbury Village TILLING William HD M 44 Ag.Lab. GLS Oldbury (c1807) TILLING Hester WI M 47 - SOM Bath (c1804) TILLING Hanh. DA U 26 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1825) TILLING Jane DA U 24 - GLS Hawkesbury (c1827) TILLING Samuel SO U 13 Ag.Lab. GLS Oldbury (c1838) TILLING William SO U 11 - GLS Oldbury (c1840) TILLING Sarah A. DA - 9 Scholar GLS Oldbury (c1842) TILLING Edward SO - 4 - GLS Oldbury (c1847) TILLING Emma - - 2 - (Grandchild) GLS Oldbury (c1849) SIMMONDS George VR - 27 Ag.Lab. GLS Coombe (c1824)

Here's the family from the 1881 census - in Hawkesbury!! Dwelling: Sandpitts Lane Census Place: Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England Source: FHL Film 1341606 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2511 Folio 43 Page 16 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William TELLING M 42 M Didmarton, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Farm Labourer Emma TELLING M 37 F Horfield, Gloucester, England Rel: Wife William S. TELLING 12 M Horfield, Gloucester, England Rel: Son Henry TELLING 7 M Stapleton, Gloucester, England Rel: Son Ellen TELLING 3 F H Upton, Gloucester, England Rel: Daur John J. TELLING 8 m M H Upton, Gloucester, England Rel: Son Cheers Carole

Hi Jane Ada PERKS was Annie TILLINGS first daughter Ada STINCHCOMBE born 1887 Ada married Alfred PERKS brother of Harry her mothers second husband, Annies Great grandson Paul STINCHCOMBE is the MP for Wellingborough. regards Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold&Jane" <Harold&[email protected]> To: "Robert Millard" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] Tilling Stinchcombe > Thankyou Robert, > That information is great, I have very little on Annie. I have 13 letters > written from one sister to another, England, Australia and Canada, the > others were destroyed. My 2nd cousin Jim in Australia sent them to me.He was > born in Bristol in 1940. Ida Perks is also mentioned as well as many > others.Embling, Solley and Smart are relatives by marriage. > Thankyou again, Jane, > > >

Thankyou List, I am slightly overwhelmed with the information I have received from everyone,so I got out my maps and files and tried to make sense of it all, hence the delay in my reply.I would like to address everyone individually but can't today. Thankyou Doug for you initial reply"cousin for a day", I still think we are related somehow, wait till I drag out my Williams below. Thankyou Gwen for your nice letter and if you ever come to B.C.I would be very happy to meet you. Thankyou Robert, you have given me so much information that I would never have been able to get. I crossed out the aunts and put uncles in but 21 children twice, once would be enough.I will forward the info to Australia.Annie used to send English newspaper to my great Aunt Agnes Tilling in Minnidosa Manitoba and how she looked forward to them. She would have given anything for a cup of tea and watercress sandwiches. She tried to grow it on the prairies but couldn't.I have a old picture and on the back it says This is our Annie, I had two so I thought I would send you one.I don't know if it was Annie Tilling or Annie Smart. Thankyou Antony,for the census results , they open up a whole realm of possibilities . I have to get all this on a program and out of the files. There is no marriage certificate available for William TILLING and Emma THOMPSON, it is held by Achievements of Canterbury from when they did they did research for my cousin Jim in Australia.I have Index references.The ceremony was performed by the Rev. Wyndham GUINNESS. William Samuel TILLING married Agnes SMART of Shirburn Glou. Oct. 20th 1894 immigrated to Can. C1910 They had 5 children 3 in Glou.Family names Comley& Embling Clara TILLING married William Edwin WILLIAMS b.Coalpit Heath Oct.2nd 1885 married Nov. 27th 1909 at Iron Acton Glou. They had 6 children in Glou.I have 2 pages of Williams and other names but won't list them unless someone is interested. When I get this together I will post it to the list.I have Emailed for poor house records for Chipping Sodbury Union I am most grateful to you all.I envy your history and your records. Thankyou, Jane,

Hi Jane A bit of research tonight has I think shown that we are not related after all! I don't think your Emma Thompson is from the Hawkesbury family. The finding of Edward Tilling with grandparents William and Sarah Thompson started the alarm bells ringing for me. William and Sarah are from Tetbury. (written as Tidbury) A look at the Bristol census for 1851 finds this in Horfield. THOMPSON William 38 Ag Lab Tetbury Sarah 40 Laundress Sodbury Maria 12 Scholar Horfield Edwin 9 Scholar Horfield Emma 6 Scholar Horfield Here is William and sarah with their daughter Emma aged 6 - bdate 1844/5 This ties in closely with your marriage certificate - 20 in Nov 1863 Census ages are often a bit out. You can see William and Sarah are not consistent about their own ages. Your connection to Hawkesbury now seems to be through Annie. On the 1881 census she is working as a servant with the Chappels, age 15 birthplace Horfield, Bristol. It looks like William and Emma stayed around Horfield, Bristol for a while. It would be nice for you to find Alice's mother and father somewhere on the 1881 census. But I can't find either of them! (Ex) Cousin Doug

I expect you have spotted my deliberate mistake my great Aunts never married Harry's sisters it was his brothers they married and one had 21 children twice. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Jane (again) I think your Annie TILLING married William George STINCHCOMBE in winter 1887 at Hawkesbury Annie was working for James CHAPPELL in France lane as servant aged 15 in 1881, she is born at Horfield same place as Edward in previous mail. She has 5 children then William died and she married Harry PERKS of Hawkesbury and had 2 more children my great Aunts married Harry's sisters. Annie was a sick nurse in 1901 there was an Elizabeth HILLIER living with her aged 73 a widow living on her own means. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

.... and Annie Tilling may be the 15 yr old who is a servant in France Lane, Hawkesbury with the CHAPPELs on the 1881 while brother William may be with the other grandparents Thomas and Sarah TILLING in English Bicknor, Glos (1881) aged 12. But why is there no record of either William TILLING or his wife Emma on the 1881 or 1901? It begins to look like Emma may not be our Hawkesbury one but a daughter of William and Sarah of Tetbury?? How much can Jane tell us? Doug

Hi Jane Is this Edward TILLING with his grandparents in Horfield Bristol 1881 William THOMPSON Head M Male 64 Tidbury, Gloucester, England Ag Lab Sarah THOMPSON Wife M Female 73 Tidbury, Gloucester, England Formerly Servant Edward TILLING Grandson Male 17 Bristol No occupation 7 Golden Hill, Horfield, Gloucester Alice Tilling is aged 19 born Hawkesbury working in Bristol as a Laundry maid in 1901 her sister Clara aged 18 born Hawkesbury is a general servant in Yate,also 1901 no sign of Ellen but she could be one of 4 from Hawkesbury on 1901 census. The Tidbury above is most likely Tetbury. regards Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold&Jane" <Harold&[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:31 AM Subject: [HWK] Fw: New to List TILLING & THOMPSON > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harold&Jane > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:06 PM > Subject: New to List TILLING & THOMPSON > > > Dear List Members, > > I am interested in finding information about my grandmothers family. > > TILLING, William b. 1839 Gloucester County England died before 1909 > Married > THOMPSON, Emma b.1843 Chipping Sodbury Hawkesbury Parish d.1890 > Children > TILLING, Edward b.1863, Annie b.1864, William Samuel b.1868 > Ellen b.1878, Thomas Lawrence b.1882, Alice Frances b.1883 > (my grandmother)John b.1884, Clara 1885 > > I have more information on William and Emma and their children and their marriages, children and grandchildren, but am missing some vital pieces. > When Emma died her four younger children were put in the workhouse Chipping Sodbury at Yate. I would like to know when and where they were there. The exact date that Emma died and her grave location. > I have little information about Annie John or Thomas. I would also like to go further back in time. Is there a Family Tree for Thomas TILLING, from Glou who started the Transport business and became with his sons Richard and Edward, the THOMAS TILLING Group. in London > There are many descendents of William TILLING and Emma THOMPSON > in Canada and Australia, I would like to correspond with the descendents in England. I have old pictures and postcards and letters, but would love pictures of the places concerned. There is too much to write, but this is a start. Thankyou Jane, in Mission B.C. Canada, > harold&[email protected] > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Jane & Doug. Have you seen this on the 1881 census? Census Place: Horfield, Gloucester, England Source: FHL Film 1341599 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2488 Folio 52 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William THOMPSON M 64 M Tidbury, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Sarah THOMPSON M 73 F Tidbury, Gloucester, England Rel: Wife Occ: Formerly Servant Edward TILLING 17 M Bristol Rel: Grandson Occ: No occupation This Edward TILLING seems to be the same age as the one Jane has. I'll leave this to the THOMPSON experts to sort out! Cheers Carole

Dear List, I want to thankyou for replying to my posting. Doug my new 5th cousin, Robert and Carole for giving information I didn't have about Alice and Clara in 1901. Annie too was a servant in Horfield, Bristol in 1881.I hope to find why and when they were put in the poorhouse and when they left.I am interested in the whole history of the area and the families involved. I have an extract from Emma and William Tillings Marriage Certificate Her marriage certificate gives her name, age,marital status and place of residence as EMMA THOMPSON 20 year old spinster of Charles Street, Bristol. Her marriage to WILLIAM TILLING, a 24 year old bachelor and maltster of Charles Street took place on Nov. 22nd, 1863 at the Parish Church of St. James, Bristol. Their fathers' names were given as WILLIAM TILLING labourer and WILLIAM THOMPSON labourer. The witnesses were JOHN RADFORD & CAROLINE RADFORD. 1851 census there was a 7 year old EMMA THOMPSON in the Parish of Hawkesbury. Parents WILLIAM 48, MARYANN 40. Other Thompsons in the household were Mary 25,Isaac 15, Mary Jane 12. That would make him 78 in 1881, too old to be the William Thompson in the 1881 census. Horfield Bristol WILLIAM THOMPSON H M Male 64 Tidbury, Gloucester Ag Lab SARAH THOMPSON Wife M F 73 Tidbury, Gloucester Servant EDWARD TILLING 17 grandson Bristol 7 Golden Hill Gloucester This was sent by the list for which I am grateful. I think perhaps I need a birth certificate for EMMA. Edward died 1905 perhaps he was ill. I am new at this and computers so I hope you will have patience with me. I am a double Jones too, 200 years of William, John, Jane and Elizabeth. William Jones married Elizabeth Jones, you never know if you have the right ones, as every 8th person in Wales is a Jones. Thankyou, Jane Elizabeth Jones Gosselin in B.C. Canada, harold&[email protected]

Jane The THOMPSONs are one of the most researched families of Hawkesbury. We have traced their ancestry back many generations (to the 15th century). The only Emma we know of who fits your birthtime is the daughter of William and Mary THOMPSON. She was born 1843/4 because she is 7 years old on the April 1851 census. Emma was christened in St Mary's, Hawkesbury on 18 May 1845. At present we do not have any record of her marriage or descendants so you will be able to fill that in for us. How do you know she was from Hawkesbury? If this identity is confirmed I can supply you with details of Emma's ancestry. (I would be your 5th cousin!) Correspond with me off list for details. It's a pity you are not in England. It is the Hawkesbury Summer Fair next Saturday and many of our family history group will be meeting there! Hawkesbury has such interconnected trees you will find nearly everyone is your cousin of some degree! Nice to have met you, Cousin Doug Thompson

----- Original Message ----- From: Harold&Jane To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: New to List TILLING & THOMPSON Dear List Members, I am interested in finding information about my grandmothers family. TILLING, William b. 1839 Gloucester County England died before 1909 Married THOMPSON, Emma b.1843 Chipping Sodbury Hawkesbury Parish d.1890 Children TILLING, Edward b.1863, Annie b.1864, William Samuel b.1868 Ellen b.1878, Thomas Lawrence b.1882, Alice Frances b.1883 (my grandmother)John b.1884, Clara 1885 I have more information on William and Emma and their children and their marriages, children and grandchildren, but am missing some vital pieces. When Emma died her four younger children were put in the workhouse Chipping Sodbury at Yate. I would like to know when and where they were there. The exact date that Emma died and her grave location. I have little information about Annie John or Thomas. I would also like to go further back in time. Is there a Family Tree for Thomas TILLING, from Glou who started the Transport business and became with his sons Richard and Edward, the THOMAS TILLING Group. in London There are many descendents of William TILLING and Emma THOMPSON in Canada and Australia, I would like to correspond with the descendents in England. I have old pictures and postcards and letters, but would love pictures of the places concerned. There is too much to write, but this is a start. Thankyou Jane, in Mission B.C. Canada, harold&[email protected]

The Gloucestershire FHS Marriages CD has the following: Maurice WATTS Widower of Hawkesbury Upton married Ann TUCK at Tetbury on 31 May 1830 by banns Maurice was the son of John WATTS & Hester CHAPPELL bapt Nov 13 1796 at Hawkesbury. His first wife was the widow Hester TANDY. Can anyone give me some more information about Ann TUCK please? Best wishes Carole

I'm not sure if this message managed to get through so I repeat it. Hi Maureen, I had always believed William ALLEN to have been the son of Daniel ALLEN and Mary SMART but it had not occurred to me to think of two baptisms as suggested by Robert. This would fit in with his marriage to a lady called HANNAH, which I have never found so presumed it to have been nonconformist as he suggests. I had also thought that Daniel could be the son of William and Mary WILLIAMS married 1759 in Hawkesbury but these are only guesses in the absence of anything else although Daniel and William are both my Allen family names. In an earlier comment to me Robert said he thought the William ALLEN buried in Hawkesbury 1st Jan 1788 could be from Corsham but I haven't been able to follow this up but did find a baptism of William ALLEN 6 June, 1790 at WOOTTON U EDGE (Kingswood) although it appears under Wiltshire in the IGI! Are there two? There was also a William ALLEN who married Mary HAYWARD and had a son James but Robert didn't mention dates.. I know nothing of Harts and Hicks. Regards.

Stuart Grifsel is probably actually Grissel because of the 'f' looking character used when a double 's' was written. This was also spelt alternatively as Grizel or Griselda, which was a common Scottish name at one time. Cynthia Stiles http://about-bristol.co.uk (On-line photo tours of Bristol) http://bristolinformation.co.uk (Aspects of Bristol history and genealogy) http://stiles-genealogy.co.uk (Stiles, Wyatt, Evans)

At 02:10 PM 8/19/2003 +0100, Cynthia Stiles wrote: >Stuart > >Grifsel is probably actually Grissel because of the 'f' looking character >used when a >double 's' was written. This was also spelt alternatively as Grizel or >Griselda, which >was a common Scottish name at one time. > >Cynthia Stiles Thanks for the input Cynthia, now all I have to do is find where she married my 6 x Gt Grandfather Thomas Wright, now that my initial supposed wife has been eliminated. Ta Muchly...............Stuart: Please pay a visit to my Web Pages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stuwright/index.htm Stuart Wright Home Page http://www.execulink.com/~sjwright/index.htm My N W Wiltshire Web Page http://www.execulink.com/~sjwright/clack/index.htm BRADENSTOKE "My Village" Web Page

I have just rejoined the List, and have to pass on to John Stinchcombe some info re: the marriage by Licence of Thomas Wright and Ann Tylton. A very kind lady checked the Marriage Licence Allegations for 1684, and found that it was a Thomas Winkle, not Wright that married Ann Tylton. I got the original data from microfilm of the PR's of Dyrham, Glos. I am now seeking any possible details of the Marriage of Thomas Wright to someone with the Christian name of Grifsel, as that is how it is spelled in his Last Will and Testament. From 1694 on Thomas Wright was living at Westerleigh, Glos, as the first page of the PR's for the Parish has the baptism of his son Thomas, Robert my 5 x Gt Grandfather was baptised in 1696. He died in March 1729, and Grifsel died years later. Any help on this will greatly appreciated, as I cannot get out to my local LDS centre as well as I used to. Cheers...............Stuart Wright, Brantford, Ontario, Canada Please pay a visit to my Web Pages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~stuwright/index.htm Stuart Wright Home Page http://www.execulink.com/~sjwright/index.htm My N W Wiltshire Web Page http://www.execulink.com/~sjwright/clack/index.htm BRADENSTOKE "My Village" Web Page

Any information on origins of William HAWKER and Hannah PARSLOW who married by licence 1804 Thornbury would be gratefully received.