Hi Liz Sorry I missed you too - perhaps next time. Thanks for the certificate information. You'll find lots of cousins on the Hawkesbury List. Here are some brief details about your family. John WATTS born about 1791 - son of Hugh WATTS & Betty JACKSON who married 21 Nov 1790 at Hawkesbury Hugh was the son of Alexander WATTS & Jane KEEPEN married Feb 18 1765 at old Sodbury This WATTS family appear to have their roots in Old Sodbury and I have traced it back to William WATTS who died in 1694/5 who was a blacksmith. If you look at Robert's Hawkesbury website you'll find a couple of WATTS wills.that relate to this family. Jane PRITCHARD was the daughter of Isaac & Anna. Isaac was bapt Sept 1 1762 at Chipping Sodbury the son of Samuel PRITCHARD & Mary KEEPEN. Mary & Jane KEEPEN were sistesr, daughters of John KEEPEN & Jane ANNESLEY. There are a number of marriages between the WATTS, PRITCHARD & KEEPEN families and it is far too complicated to explain here! If you would like a GEDCOM file let me know. Best wishes Carole

Hi Carole Thanks for all your help so far. I enjoyed meeting some of the Hawkesbury group at the summer fair and was sorry you were not there so I could at least buy you a drink as a thank you! I now have the marriage cert of John WATTS and Hannah PAINTER. It looks as if our instincts were right and the John WATTS was the one whose father was a butcher, but he has been careless with his age calculations. The cert reads :- 1854 Marriage solemnised in the Register Office Yate in the District of Chipping Sodbury in the County of Gloucester. Second August 1854 John WATTS - 31 years - Bachelor - profession Labourer - residence Hawkesbury - Father's name John WATTS - profession Butcher Hannah Painter - 31 years - Spinster - no profession given - residence Hawkesbury - father John PAINTER - profession Labourer ...... in the presence of John Painter and Hester Collins You had given me John's christening date as Oct 1821, which would give an age at marriage of 32, or possibly 33 if there was a delay between birth and christening, so some one slipped up somewhere, but I am happy to take the butcher /father link as definitive. If you are able to take me further back from your records that would be great. I have belatedly located the notes that my father made in which he says that John and Hannah's daughter Sarah Jane WATTS was ladies maid to the Duchess of Beaufort. Not all of his comments have proved accurate , but Sarah Jane went on to live to a great age and would have had opportunities to talk to family members, so who knows..... The James TOPPS that Sarah Jane married has proved to have Tetbury roots, and I have traced them back to the 1851 census. There seems to be a good network of researchers there, so I plan to lock into their system soon. Regards Liz

Hi All I have uploaded the pictures of Hawkesbury show day to my web pages look for Hawkesbury show 2003 on nav bar. Also details of the get together Nov 1st are on the first page. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi, Carole Emily Ann Hinton Mar Qtr 1889 Brian Morgan

Calling all COOK researchers! Can anyone confirm whether Ambrose COOK born 1849 in Hawkesbury married Emily J PRITCHARD or Emily HINTON about 1888/9. They are in Hay St, Marshfield in 1901. Ambrose was a wheelwright. they have 6 children, all born in Marshfield. Cheers Carole

Hi Nikki William ALLEN / IN and Mary had at least 5 children Daniel b,10 Jul 1764 John b,28 Sep 1766 Martha b,2 nd Oct 1768 mar Thomas CREW 8th Feb 1792 Died 15 Oct 1835 William b,7 Mar 1772 James b, 14 Mar 1779 we have a marriage to Mary HAYWARD in Kingswood nr W-U-E 18 Aug 1772 this may be his second marriage if not his first or another William and Mary. we do know that the register does say William Allin and Mary on all entries I would say this is a married couple often if the mother is not married the register gives Maiden name and fathers name and the Kingswood marriage perhaps his second Mary? we do know that Hawkesbury ALLENS are connected to the Kingswood ALLENS there is evidence in the burial registers. The fact they did not marry untill after children were born is not unusual the length of time between the first born and the marriage being 8 years is a bit excessive, if any of them left wills we may find maternal cousins? regards Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki Backhouse" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] Allens etc. > Hi > > I have a Martha ALLIN(ALLEN) marrying Thomas CREW on 8 February 1792 in > Hawkesbury. I received information from Robert Millard stating that Martha > was the daughter of William ALLEN and Mary HAYWARD. However, I am a little > confused as William and Mary didn't get married until 1772 and Martha was > born in 1768 (to a William ALLEN and Mary on the IGI). I also have a Daniel > and John ALLEN/ALLIN as brothers of Martha, with 2 more possible brothers > being William and James. Can anyone help clear this up. > > Nikki > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi I have a Martha ALLIN(ALLEN) marrying Thomas CREW on 8 February 1792 in Hawkesbury. I received information from Robert Millard stating that Martha was the daughter of William ALLEN and Mary HAYWARD. However, I am a little confused as William and Mary didn't get married until 1772 and Martha was born in 1768 (to a William ALLEN and Mary on the IGI). I also have a Daniel and John ALLEN/ALLIN as brothers of Martha, with 2 more possible brothers being William and James. Can anyone help clear this up. Nikki

We will hold our main get together at the Beaufort inn Hawkesbury Upton on Saturday 1st November in the function room from 12:30, I have arranged for St Mary's to be opened during the afternoon,we should have a large number of local's attending for a chat. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi All Thanks to all those of you that came along to visit and support us at the show,it was a perfect day for it, and a merry time was had by all. There was a slight panic when I returned home I found my laptop was missing but a call to Mark at the Beaufort found it had been handed in. I had left it under the dinner table for safe keeping?. I will post photograghs of the Show on the web pages later today. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.btinternet.com/~ra.millard/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On display in the Gloucester Records office foyer is an examination of Betty Pick and her bastardy order against Thomas Deacon 1744, Hawkesbury. Regards Andy

Hi David Hawkesbury Show is on tomorrow (Sat) at the village hall High St Hawkesbury Upton, events start at 2:30 the roads will be closed at this time for the parade, we have a stand within the hall if your about pop in and see us, the Hawkesbury History CD is available from tomorrow and may be of interest to you. regards Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fisher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: [HWK] New listing PAINTER and WATTS > > Hello Pond Dipper and members > > > > I am researching a branch of my family which came from your area. My > > great grand mother was Sarah Jane WATTS (1854 - 1947/8) born in > > Hawkesbury . Her birth cert gives her mother as Hannah WATTS formerly > > PAINTER. I am reasonably sure that she was the Hannah PAINTER in the > > 1851 census for Saddlewood. Sarah Jane's father is given as John > > WATTS, husbandman, but I have not yet pinned down which of the > > possible John WATTS was her father. My best strategy seems to be to > > hunt for the family in the 1961 census and get an age for him. > > > Is anyone else interested in this > > family? > > > > I gather you have a family history event planned for 30th August. I > > shall be near Hawkesbury on that day and would like to drop in if > > possible. Can anyone confirm venue and times? I phoned the Fleece Inn > > at Hillesley and they didn't know anything about it. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > Liz Fisher > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Liz You said: > Your 1861 entry for PAINTER is interesting. George isn't mentioned in > 1851, so I presume he is the son of a sibling of Hannah's who has left > home rather than an illegitimate son of Hannah. I would be interested > to know if there were any other children of her marriage to John > WATTS. Looking at the 1871 census looks a good first step. Looking at the 1851 census I see that there are a couple of other children who may not be all they seem! The parents John & Sarah PAINTER are age 61 & 60 but they appear to have a daughter Emma age 7 and son William age 2. They seem a bit young to be the children of John & Sarah. Perhaps a trawl of the baptism registers would reveal who their parents were. Hannah age 27.is also there and I do wonder whether she is involved! Cheers Carole

Hello Liz I think your best way forward would be to order the marriage certificate for John WATTS & Hannah PAINTER. This will give you their father's names & occupations. If you find it's John WATTS Butcher then I can give you his probable ancestry back to the 1600s. Also we would become 5th cousins twice removed (I think!!) I don't have the 1871 census entries - John does not appear on the 1871 census on Robert's wonderful web site so I guess he was living outside the area indexed. His father is there though, in Back Street - Father in law of Robert WINBOW and his wife Anna/Hannah Jane. She was John WATTS Junior's sister. I'm going to cobble together some sort of tree on the assumption that John WATTS did marry Hannah PAINTER and see how it stacks up. Cheers Carole PS Hope you all have a greet day in Hawkesbury tomorrow. Sorry I can't be there.

Hello Carole Thank you for your 2 very helpful messages - and thank you Martin for yours to confirm John WATTS later appearance in the 1881 census. I agree with your guess that John is the son of the butcher John WATTS in the 1851 census. He had always been my favorite candidate and the ages tally nicely. I'm not sure of the best way to pin him down definitively. I have no other information about him. Your 1861 entry for PAINTER is interesting. George isn't mentioned in 1851, so I presume he is the son of a sibling of Hannah's who has left home rather than an illegitimate son of Hannah. I would be interested to know if there were any other children of her marriage to John WATTS. Looking at the 1871 census looks a good first step. By 1881 Sarah Jane WATTS was married to James TOPPS and living in Great Badminton with 2 of the 4 children they eventually had. I have great hopes that James will turn out to be part of the Tetbury TOPPS 's, but he is slightly odd in having been born in Paddington London with no traces of other TOPPS's in the area that I can locate. I have been waiting nearly a month for his birth certificate. I think Paddington is one of the 'difficult' areas to track documentation. James was a carpenter / wheelwright and there is a logic to him returning to his family's region with those skills. Thank you so much for your help Liz Fisher (nee TOPPS) On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:43 PM, anthony sharp wrote: > Hello Liz > > My best guess is that the John WATTS you seek is the son of John WATTS > & > Jane PRITCHARD christened Oct 7 1821 at Hawkesbury. In 1851 he is > unmarried, living with his widowed father, a Butcher, in Upton. In > 1881 John > would appear to be widowed living at Kilcott with his > housekeeper/Laundress > Eunice STINCHCOMB and some HOULTON lodgers. he is shown as an ag lab > on all > the censuses that I have seen. > > FreeBMD has a John WATTS died March Qtr 1900 age 78 in Chipping Sodbury > district 6a 178. His age would match this John WATTS. > > Do you know when he died? > > Best wishes > Carole > > > >

For the record, Eunice STINCHCOMB(E) is my 2nd great-grand aunt, being the daughter of David STINCHCOMBE and Maria FOX. I know of no specific connection with John WATTS other than that which is shown in the census. Regards to all, Martin Yerbury ----- Original Message ----- From: anthony sharp <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: [HWK] New listing PAINTER and WATTS > Hello Liz > > My best guess is that the John WATTS you seek is the son of John WATTS & > Jane PRITCHARD christened Oct 7 1821 at Hawkesbury. In 1851 he is > unmarried, living with his widowed father, a Butcher, in Upton. In 1881 John > would appear to be widowed living at Kilcott with his housekeeper/Laundress > Eunice STINCHCOMB and some HOULTON lodgers. he is shown as an ag lab on all > the censuses that I have seen. > > FreeBMD has a John WATTS died March Qtr 1900 age 78 in Chipping Sodbury > district 6a 178. His age would match this John WATTS. > > Do you know when he died? > > Best wishes > Carole > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Liz My best guess is that the John WATTS you seek is the son of John WATTS & Jane PRITCHARD christened Oct 7 1821 at Hawkesbury. In 1851 he is unmarried, living with his widowed father, a Butcher, in Upton. In 1881 John would appear to be widowed living at Kilcott with his housekeeper/Laundress Eunice STINCHCOMB and some HOULTON lodgers. he is shown as an ag lab on all the censuses that I have seen. FreeBMD has a John WATTS died March Qtr 1900 age 78 in Chipping Sodbury district 6a 178. His age would match this John WATTS. Do you know when he died? Best wishes Carole

Hello David Pleased to meet you. Here is the entry for your/our family in 1861. RG9/1749 Starveall, parish of Hawkesbury, Tything of Tresham, Kilcott & Saddlewood John PAINTER Head M 74 Ag lab born ? Rencombe Sarah " Wife 71 Tresham John WATTS Son in law 39 Ag lab born Hawkesbury Upton Hannah " Daur 37 Saddlewood George PAINTER grandson 12 Ag lab born Kilcott Jane WATTS Grand daughter 6 Scholar born Kilcott FreeBMD has John WATTS marrying Hannah PAINTER Sept Qtr 1854 Chipping Sodbury district 6a 307 I also have a note that a John PAINTER married Sarah REEVES 30 Oct 1811 at Horsley. At present, I am unsure which John WATTS this is. Certainly there were WATTS at Starveall in 1881 but I cannot work out a connection between the families. If you can let me have some more information I will see what I can find for you.. Best wishes Carole Sharp (nee WATTS) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fisher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: [HWK] New listing PAINTER and WATTS > > Hello Pond Dipper and members > > > > I am researching a branch of my family which came from your area. My > > great grand mother was Sarah Jane WATTS (1854 - 1947/8) born in > > Hawkesbury . Her birth cert gives her mother as Hannah WATTS formerly > > PAINTER. I am reasonably sure that she was the Hannah PAINTER in the > > 1851 census for Saddlewood. Sarah Jane's father is given as John > > WATTS, husbandman, but I have not yet pinned down which of the > > possible John WATTS was her father. My best strategy seems to be to > > hunt for the family in the 1961 census and get an age for him. > > > Is anyone else interested in this > > family? > > > > I gather you have a family history event planned for 30th August. I > > shall be near Hawkesbury on that day and would like to drop in if > > possible. Can anyone confirm venue and times? I phoned the Fleece Inn > > at Hillesley and they didn't know anything about it. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > > > Liz Fisher >

> Hello Pond Dipper and members > > I am researching a branch of my family which came from your area. My > great grand mother was Sarah Jane WATTS (1854 - 1947/8) born in > Hawkesbury . Her birth cert gives her mother as Hannah WATTS formerly > PAINTER. I am reasonably sure that she was the Hannah PAINTER in the > 1851 census for Saddlewood. Sarah Jane's father is given as John > WATTS, husbandman, but I have not yet pinned down which of the > possible John WATTS was her father. My best strategy seems to be to > hunt for the family in the 1961 census and get an age for him. > Is anyone else interested in this > family? > > I gather you have a family history event planned for 30th August. I > shall be near Hawkesbury on that day and would like to drop in if > possible. Can anyone confirm venue and times? I phoned the Fleece Inn > at Hillesley and they didn't know anything about it. > > Looking forward to hearing from you > > Liz Fisher

on 26/8/03 10:37 pm, Marilyn moffat at [email protected] wrote: > Following up on the later dialogue too (but that is downloaded on > another computer) don't be so quick to write off the Tetbury Thompson's > as "not one of ours" - because don't forget David Thompson (father of > Edward - my GGGrandfather) was born in Tetbury. > Geoff had some info on him, but I never got my head around it all well > enough to put it in my main tree yet, and haven't followed up further, - > have you anything more definitive on David and his Tetbury links that > might prove there is no link at all, Doug?? > > Marilyn Well, not quite so close as you imply Marilyn. David wasn't born in Tetbury but he did marry in Tetbury. Ann Baker (Edward's mother) was born there. So we've no known connection with Tetbury Thompsons. I've still been unable to make much progress with the Tetbury Bakers. Of course, it's always possible that the William Thompson in question was descended from someone who moved up from Hawkesbury but that's stretching it a bit, especially since Thompsons go back further in Tetbury than Hawkesbury. When we eventually find out where our Hawkesbury Thompsons come from we can think about the Tetbury connections again. Doug

Thanks Carole I thought it was odd they had just vanished in 1881 it seems they were TILLING but not TELLING regards Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "anthony sharp" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: [HWK] TILLING or TELLING > Here's the family from the 1881 census - in Hawkesbury!! > > Dwelling: Sandpitts Lane > Census Place: Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England > Source: FHL Film 1341606 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2511 Folio 43 Page > 16 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > William TELLING M 42 M Didmarton, Gloucester, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Farm Labourer > Emma TELLING M 37 F Horfield, Gloucester, England > Rel: Wife > William S. TELLING 12 M Horfield, Gloucester, England > Rel: Son > Henry TELLING 7 M Stapleton, Gloucester, England > Rel: Son > Ellen TELLING 3 F H Upton, Gloucester, England > Rel: Daur > John J. TELLING 8 m M H Upton, Gloucester, England > Rel: Son > > > Cheers > Carole > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >