Calling all LIMBRICK researchers! Browsing the 1891 census for Cardiff today i spotted 2 families of LIMBRICKs living in Grangetown. One family has Willliam LIMBRICK age 66 Mariners Mate born Oldbury, GLS and his wife Margaret age 59 born Lydney and their son John age 33 The other family could be a son, looks like Jim age 30 born Lydney, his wife Anne 24 of Maesteg and children William,4 Anne 2, and Margaret 1. If anyone would lioke the full details plesae contact me. Carole

Jane, I have seen the name in Wiltshire census but will have to wait until I get home this evening to check. You are probably looking for Rodbourne Cheney in Wiltshire, not Rodborough near Gloucester in Gloucestershire. I'll get back to you. Warmest regards, Terry Waters-Marsh Rockhampton Queensland 4701 Australia FreeCEN Coordinator - Wiltshire (visit the project at http://freecen.rootsweb.com) ARCHIVE CD BOOKS - http://www.archivecdbooks.org A project to reproduce old books on CD for genealogists and pay for the restoration of books in Record Offices, Libraries, etc. -----Original Message----- From: Harold&Jane [mailto:Harold&[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HWK] TILLING AND TELLING Dear list, First I would like to publicly thank Robert MILLARD for being so kind to one of our family who visited Gloucester in Dec. He gave him a personal tour of the area. I haven't heard from Robert LEE yet, if everyone treats him that well he may never return to British Columbia. On the http://www.gencircles.com site I found these TELLINGS, whose place of birth is listed as Rodbourne, Cheney, Wiltshire.The only Rodbourne I can find is very near to Gloucester, I am trying to connect our families. Does anyone know the origins of the name TILLING OR TELLING?. I looked at many sites for name origins and meanings. We are having record cold here in the Fraser Valley, we will lose many marginal plants and trees. Thankyou Jane, harold&[email protected] Thomas Telling Birth: England Death: Sex: M Father: Mother: Burial: Wiltshire,England Changed: 16 Mar 2000 19:57:39 Spouses & Children Elizabeth Greenway (Wife) b. in England Children: 1.. Mary Telling b. 3 Jun 1804 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 2.. Susanah Telling b. 2 Mar 1806 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 3.. Ann Telling b. 17 Feb 1808 in Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire,England 4.. Henry Telling b. 26 Nov 1810 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 5.. Phyllis Telling b. 1 May 1814 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 6.. Dinah Telling b. 29 Sep 1816 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 7.. Zela Telling b. 3 Jan 1819 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 8.. Phillis Telling b. 29 Sep 1822 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 9.. William Telling b. 30 Jul 1826 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 10.. Martha Telling b. 9 Nov 1828 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Robert, I wondered if you or anyone else could help me yet again! You were good enough to discover that the family of Timothy Sherwin BROOK (BROOKES) was likely to come from Hawkesbury. Since you sent me the information I have been trying to prove this correct or not. Unfortunately I have been unlucky with this. So far nothing for the 1841 census or 1851 census for London. Have you any idea's on how to prove that I have found the right people? Regards Caroline Ps May I wish you and all the other's on the list a belated happy New Year!

Dear list, First I would like to publicly thank Robert MILLARD for being so kind to one of our family who visited Gloucester in Dec. He gave him a personal tour of the area. I haven't heard from Robert LEE yet, if everyone treats him that well he may never return to British Columbia. On the http://www.gencircles.com site I found these TELLINGS, whose place of birth is listed as Rodbourne, Cheney, Wiltshire.The only Rodbourne I can find is very near to Gloucester, I am trying to connect our families. Does anyone know the origins of the name TILLING OR TELLING?. I looked at many sites for name origins and meanings. We are having record cold here in the Fraser Valley, we will lose many marginal plants and trees. Thankyou Jane, harold&[email protected] Thomas Telling Birth: England Death: Sex: M Father: Mother: Burial: Wiltshire,England Changed: 16 Mar 2000 19:57:39 Spouses & Children Elizabeth Greenway (Wife) b. in England Children: 1.. Mary Telling b. 3 Jun 1804 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 2.. Susanah Telling b. 2 Mar 1806 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 3.. Ann Telling b. 17 Feb 1808 in Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire,England 4.. Henry Telling b. 26 Nov 1810 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 5.. Phyllis Telling b. 1 May 1814 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 6.. Dinah Telling b. 29 Sep 1816 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 7.. Zela Telling b. 3 Jan 1819 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 8.. Phillis Telling b. 29 Sep 1822 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 9.. William Telling b. 30 Jul 1826 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England 10.. Martha Telling b. 9 Nov 1828 in of,Rodbourne,Cheney,Wiltshire, England

Happy New Year Brian Thanks for the websites - I didn't know about either of them before. I found several people with an interest in the same families as I have on http://www.ukbdm.org.uk/ so I'm doubly grateful for that one. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Comley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [HWK] Specail New Year offer! > Hello Carole > > There is a web site for all our mistakes at > > You just submit the details of the certificates you don't want and > interested parties will get in touch with you. > > ============================================= > Rob Thompson also runs an unwanted certificate service in his Family History > Newsletter. > > If you have a certificate you don't need that may be of use to someone else > then drop him a line at [email protected], and he will advertise it > in an upcoming newsletter. > > If you have a spare certificate that is of no use to you at all then you can > either send him the details via email, or send him the certificate. If the > certificate is sent to him then it will be sent on to any enquiries. After > six months if nobody has claimed the certificates as interesting to their > research then they will be deposited at the SoG library. He will however > keep all the details of the certificate on file and pass them on to any > relevant one name studies registered with the Guild of One Name Studies. > > The address for spare certificates to be sent to is: > GFHN, 66 Northern Road, Aylesbury, HP19 9QY > > To subscribe to Family History News send a message > containing the word subscribe to > [email protected] > Subscription is free > > To find out more about the newsletter, or view the > archive see http://www.genuki.org.uk/news/ > > Regards > > Brian > > Brian Beeche Comley - Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) > FHS Member: Glam (#1433); Gwent (#1318); Wilts (#2186) > > All emails (in & out) scanned by Norton Anti Virus 2003 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anthony sharp" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:38 PM > Subject: [HWK] Specail New Year offer! > > > > Happy New Year! > > Thanks to the generosity of a distant cousin Donald Kay BUCHANAN, I have a > > number of BMD certificates to find homes for! They were bought in error > and > > were not part of the WATTS family tree that my cousin is researching. He > > would like to pass them on to family members.> > > Hope they will help someone. If you'd like more details on anyone please > ask > > > > Carole >

From: R.P. & A.L.Lawrence [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 January 2004 12:06 To: Maurice Catt Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC Joan Thanks for your message. I have a lot of information about the TOGHILL family, although as you will gather there are a number of mysteries, and they seem to have a habit of marrying their cousins, having illegitimate children, not registering births marriages and deaths, etc. Walter Toghill was the son of Mary Ann Toghill, nee Chappell. However, by the time of his birth in 1883, Mary Ann was a widow, her husband Hugh Watts Toghill having died in 1876. So one question is who Walter's father was. Have you seen his marriage certificate, which might give this information? Mary Ann has at least one son before her marriage: this was either Alfred or Daniel, or possibly both. I assume the father in this case was Hugh Watts Toghill. Her daughter Rosa was born in 1880, again some years after Hugh's death. Hugh Watts Toghill, from whom Walter got his name if not his genes, was the illegitimate son of Daniel Watts and Jane Toghill (nee Watts). Daniel and Jane were first cousins, and Jane was the widow of Thomas Toghill. She was living with Daniel when Hugh was born in 1841, and married him at the church of St Philip and St Jacob in Bristol on 4th March 1851. My own link with the Toghills is through Charles, a son of Thomas and Jane. Charles was the second husband of my gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth Cooper nee Tavender. Toghill seems to be a local name, and there is a also a place called Toghill at the junction of the A46 Bath/Stroud and A420 Bristol/Chippenham roads. Many of the Toghills one finds in Hawkesbury are descendants of Stephen Toghill and Mary Britten, who lived at Marshfield. I also have an interest in the surname since I remember a Peter Toghill of Birmingham University who did a lot of work on the geology of Shropshire, where we lived in the 1970s. I have always wondered how he fitted into the family. My information on the Chappell family is limited. I cannot find the baptism of Emma Chappell in my database of Hawkesbury baptisms, and the Beavington transcription of the 1851 census shows her living at Oldbury but born Badminton. I note that John Chappell's wife's name is given as Caroline, but if she was 20 in 1851, she was too young to be the mother of the 7 year-old Emma. If you, or anyone else, can provide hard information about the Chappells, I would much appreciate it. I am sure it has been published on the list previously, but I did not take notes. In particular, who was the father of the brothers John and George Chappell, who lived together at Oldbury in 1851. I tried checking on the Morgensterns, but although I found them in the 1881 census, I cannot find them in 1901. Possibly a transcription error. Looking forward to hearing from you (and, incidentally, where do your Sargents come from?) Bob Lawrence ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: Maurice Catt [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 31 December 2003 10:43 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: Re: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC ¦ ¦ ¦Hi Bob, ¦ My Name is Joan CATT [nee SARGENT], and I was interested in your WALTER ¦TOGHILL, living at ABERTILLERY with his Uncle, Frederick CHAPPELL, as he ¦married into my Family Tree [MORGENSTERN] by marrying ADA in Dec 1903 at ¦PONTYPOOL. They lived in Abertillery and I think that they were COUSINS. ¦ ADA was the 8th child of JOHN MORGENSTERN, b 13 may 1841, Rhinephalz, ¦Bavaria, Germany, and EMMA CHAPPELL, b 1884 Hackney, London. ¦ Ada was my Mother's [Eva ELLIS] aunt. ¦ As you know Emma CHAPPELL b 18-1-1844 at Hawkesbury, was the daughter of ¦John CHAPPELL, b 1822 Little Badminton, and Sarah CORNOCK, b 1818 Sherston. ¦They lived in Oldbury and John had a brother George also born in Little ¦Badminton, Grandfather of Walter. ¦ Would be very interested to swap information where possible. ¦ Best Wishes for a Very Happy and Prosperous New Year, to you and your ¦Family. ¦ Hoping to hear from you soon, ¦ Joan Catt ¦ ¦----- Original Message ----- ¦From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> ¦To: <[email protected]> ¦Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:54 PM ¦Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC ¦ ¦ ¦> Hi all ¦> ¦> I am trying to sort out some of my TOGHILLs again. ¦> ¦> Hugh Watts TOGHILL (sometimes WATTS, sometimes TOGHILL) married Mary Ann ¦> CHAPPELL (various spellings) at Hawkesbury on 28th February ¦1875. Hugh was ¦a ¦> hawker and died in Chepstow R.D. in the September quarter 1876. ¦He was the ¦> illegitimate son of Daniel Watts and his cousin Jane Watts, but Jane was ¦the ¦> widow of Thomas Toghill, which is why he used both names. I have not yet ¦> found a marriage of Daniel and Jane. ¦> ¦> In 1881, Mary Ann TOGHILL is living with her parents (George and Jane ¦> CHAPPELL) at Beach Grove, Starveall, Hawkesbury. She is age 27 and a ¦widow. ¦> There are two children, listed as being in the house next door, but ¦clearly ¦> part of the same household. They are Alfred TOGHILL (age 6) and Rosa A ¦> TOGHILL (age 6 months), decribed as grandchildren of George Chappell. ¦> ¦> In 1891, George and Jane CHAPPELL are still at Starveall, with their ¦> grandson Daniel TOGHILL, age 16. I have not found Mary Ann ¦TOGHILL or Rosa ¦> TOGHILL in the 1891 Avon census index, but she appears to have had a son ¦> Walter, whose birth was registered in Chipping Sodbury R.D.in ¦the December ¦> quarter 1883. ¦> ¦> There is no sign of Mary Ann TOGHILL in the 1891 or 1901 censuses. Daniel ¦> and Walter TOGHILL are living in 1901 with their uncle Frederick Chappell ¦at ¦> Abertillery. ¦> ¦> Alf Beard's database on RootsWeb World Connect (are you on this mailing ¦> list, Alf?) shows that George CHAPPELL (born 1827 Little Badminton) ¦married ¦> Jane TOGHILL. Is there any evidence for this? I cannot find it in the GRO ¦> index between 1841 and 1855. ¦> ¦> Are Alfred TOGHILL (6 in 1881) and Daniel TOGHILL (16 in 1891) ¦one and the ¦> same person? Again, there is no suitable birth, under either ¦name, in the ¦> GRO index 1874-1876. ¦> ¦> What happened to Mary Ann TOGHILL after 1883, when Walter was born? Did ¦she ¦> remarry? There is neither a marriage or death on FreeBMD. ¦> ¦> Rosa TOGHILL is working in Battersea as a cook in 1901. ¦> ¦> Any help, or suggestions, would be much appreciated. This lot ¦seem to have ¦> been rather casual about relationships, registration, and surnames. ¦> ¦> Bob Lawrence ¦> ¦> ¦> ************************************** ¦> R.P.& A.L.Lawrence ¦> The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, ¦> Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. ¦> Phone: 0117 9504314 ¦> ************************************** ¦> ¦> ¦> ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦> When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and ¦Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ¦> ¦> ============================== ¦> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, ¦go to: ¦> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ¦> ¦> ¦> ¦ ¦ ¦

Hello Carole There is a web site for all our mistakes at http://www.ukbdm.org.uk/ You just submit the details of the certificates you don't want and interested parties will get in touch with you. ============================================= Rob Thompson also runs an unwanted certificate service in his Family History Newsletter. If you have a certificate you don't need that may be of use to someone else then drop him a line at [email protected], and he will advertise it in an upcoming newsletter. If you have a spare certificate that is of no use to you at all then you can either send him the details via email, or send him the certificate. If the certificate is sent to him then it will be sent on to any enquiries. After six months if nobody has claimed the certificates as interesting to their research then they will be deposited at the SoG library. He will however keep all the details of the certificate on file and pass them on to any relevant one name studies registered with the Guild of One Name Studies. The address for spare certificates to be sent to is: GFHN, 66 Northern Road, Aylesbury, HP19 9QY To subscribe to Family History News send a message containing the word subscribe to [email protected] Subscription is free To find out more about the newsletter, or view the archive see http://www.genuki.org.uk/news/ Regards Brian Brian Beeche Comley - Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) FHS Member: Glam (#1433); Gwent (#1318); Wilts (#2186) All emails (in & out) scanned by Norton Anti Virus 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: "anthony sharp" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: [HWK] Specail New Year offer! > Happy New Year! > Thanks to the generosity of a distant cousin Donald Kay BUCHANAN, I have a > number of BMD certificates to find homes for! They were bought in error and > were not part of the WATTS family tree that my cousin is researching. He > would like to pass them on to family members.> > Hope they will help someone. If you'd like more details on anyone please ask > > Carole

Happy New Year! Thanks to the generosity of a distant cousin Donald Kay BUCHANAN, I have a number of BMD certificates to find homes for! They were bought in error and were not part of the WATTS family tree that my cousin is researching. He would like to pass them on to family members. I'll give you the names and if you have an interest please contact me off list. They're not all in Hawkesbury but the names are Hawkesbury area names. BIRTHS Sept.1886 Alice Mabel WATTS St George Barton Regis 19 Oct 1882 Florence Elizabeth WATTS Clifton Barton Regis 3 July 1899 Annie Marian PRITCHARD Taunton St James 25 March 1855 Henry HOLBOROW Malmesbury West 30 July 1861 Ethelbert HOLBOROW All Souls, Marylebone Oct 1879 ?Chris Louisa BOX Frampton March 1889 Arnold Sydney COOK Marshfield MARRIAGES Nov 1891 William Charles BOX & Lucy SIMS St Lukes, Bristol may 1886 Edward John BOX & Jane HOLLAND ST Jude BRISTOL July 1879 Edward BOX & Emma Christine SHILL St Catherine Gloucester Jan 1889 Ambrose COOK & Emily Jane HINTON Marshfield July 1897 Isaac HOLBOROW & Ellen BENNETT Thornbury July 1888 William PORTER & Emily Jane PRITCHARD Berkeley March 1895 Alfred Humphrey TONGUE & Frances WATTS Redland, Barton Regis May 1884 Charles CHIDGEY & Mary Jane WATTS St Paul, Bristol Oct 1897 George PRITCHARD & Emily Hubbard BENT Leicester Feb 1872 henry WATTS & Lucy MORTIMER Bath DEATHS Jan 1892 Henry WATTS Shoreditch, London July 1900 Henry WATTS Hungerford July 1857 Sarah Ann COOK Iron Acton Oct 1900 Francis HOLBOROW Hawkesbury June 1893 Frank HOLBOROW Whitechapel London Hope they will help someone. If you'd like more details on anyone please ask Carole

Hi all, and merry Christmas. I've been looking at the PRO wills website (www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk) and I came across a few STINCHCOMBEs not on the Hawkesbury website, one of which may be of general interest: Thomas of Cromhall, 1657. If no one else has it and is transcribing it I'll download it and have a go. Perhaps Robert can advise me. Regards, Martin Yerbury, great grandson of Lucy Stinchcombe 1853 - 1940

Hi all I would like to wish everyone a very happy Christmas and all the best for a very happy, healthy and prosperous 2004. I would also like to say a very big thankyou to anyone who has helped me with my family tree during 2003 and also a thankyou to all others for the interesting and informative messages I have read in this forum. Good luck for 2004 climbing the family tree everyone. Regards to all Marilyn Bulkeley

The following may be of interest to someone. 1851 Census Gloucester St Nicholas Sam Windbow age 43 keeper of Shire Hall Gloucester Born Hawkesbury. Jane age 41 Born Hertford Charles 16 Edmond 10 Fanny 6 Richard 4 Merry Christmas Andy

Carole Thanks for that further information. It may have solved one puzzle, but it leaves similar puzzles of who were Elizabeth Toghill and Mary Ann Toghill. My only suggestion for Elizabeth is that she was Jane's sister and the widow of Stephen Toghill. This means that she was born Elizabeth WATTS, who was baptised 30th March 1795 at Hawkesbury and married Stephen at Hawkesbury on 3rd May 1817. Stephen died at the Horse Shoe Inn, Downend on 18th June 1833. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find Elizabeth or Henry CROOM in the 1851 census for Bristol or Gloucestershire, so I cannot chcek her age. I have no idea who the Mary Ann Toghill was who married John Howell. Again, I have not been able to trace them in the 1851 census. The only Mary Howell is a 72 year old pauper widow living at Hawkesbury, who seems an unlikely candidate. Any suggestions would be most welcome. I do not have a birth date for Jane Toghill, although in the 1861 census she is 29, indicating 1832, but in 1881 she is 47. Her birthplace is shown in 1861 as being Nailsworth, which links with the birth of her brother Isaac two yaers later at Horsley. Her parents were married at Horsley in 1822, but were elsewhere between then and 1834. Many of these Toghills seem to be missing from the 1851 census. Someone who is there is Robert Toghill Watt, age 55, Gentleman, born Dyrham, living at West littleton as brother-in-law with Thomas Gregg, his wife Sophia and their children. Do you know anything about him? Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 17 December 2003 20:36 ¦To: R.P. & A.L.Lawrence ¦Cc: [email protected]; Kay Buchanan ¦Subject: WATTS, TOGHILL ¦ ¦ ¦Hello Bob, ¦I thought I was confused before! ¦I noticed the 2 WATTS/TOGHILL marriages on the BVRI but never thought they ¦were connected. Silly me! ¦ ¦The 2 witnesses were also TOGHILLs. Elizabeth TOGHILL married ¦Henry CROOM 27 ¦Oct 1834 Temple Bristol Mary Ann TOGHILL married John HOWELLS 22 Mar 1846 ¦St Philip & St Jacob Bristol. The fathers for the latter were John ¦HOWELLS & ¦Stephen TOGHILL.(Both marriages from the BVRI) ¦ ¦Do you have a birth date for Jane TOGHILL daughter of Thomas & Jane (nee ¦WATTS) please?. I don't have a record of her. I know we have speculated on ¦who George WATTS married before when we were trying to find the connection ¦with Rose COOPER age 10 who was staying with George WATTS & his ¦wife Jane on ¦the 1861 census. jane's surname then was not known. ¦ ¦Looks as if another little puzzle may be solved (fingers crossed). ¦ ¦Many thanks ¦Carole ¦ ¦----- Original Message ----- ¦From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> ¦To: <[email protected]> ¦Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:17 PM ¦Subject: [HWK] WATTS, TOGHILL ¦ ¦ ¦> Especially for Carole, who will like this. ¦> ¦> I went to Bristol Record Office, and checked two TOGHILL ¦marriages. Here ¦> are the details: ¦> ¦> 4th March 1851 St Philip and St Jacob ¦> Daniel WATTS, of full age, bachelor, Dealer of St Philips, father Daniel ¦> WATTS, Dealer ¦> married ¦> Jane TOGHILL, of full age, widow, of St Philips, Father Hugh ¦WATTS, Farmer ¦> Marriage by banns. Witnesses were Elizabeth Croom and Henry Naish. Henry ¦> Naish was a witness of most weddings at this church at this time. ¦> ¦> Jane was the daughter of Hugh WATTS and Betty JACKSON. She previously ¦> married Thomas TOGHILL at Horsley in 1822. Jane and Daniel were first ¦> cousins. ¦> ¦> ¦> 26th April 1856 St Michael on the Mount ¦> George WATTS, of full age, bachelor, mason of Griffin Lane. ¦Father Thomas ¦> WATTS, Farmer ¦> married ¦> Jane TOGHILL, of full age, spinster of Old Park. Father Thomas TOGHILL, ¦> Farmer ¦> Marriage by banns. Witnesses were W.T.Sladen and Mary Ann Howells. ¦> W.T.Sladen was a witness at most weddings at this church at this time. ¦> Jane and George were first cousins once removed ¦> ¦> The second Jane TOGHILL was the daughter of the first Jane. Daniel WATTS ¦and ¦> George WATTS were first cousins. ¦> ¦> Other relationships are too complicated to think about until after ¦> Christmas. ¦> ¦> It is interesting that the addresses and occupations differ from those in ¦> the census. Jane and Daniel were in Bristol on 4th March 1851, but back ¦> living in Oldbury for the census on 30th March. He was a farmer by then. ¦> ¦> Bob Lawrence ¦> ¦> ************************************** ¦> R.P.& A.L.Lawrence ¦> The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, ¦> Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. ¦> Phone: 0117 9504314 ¦> ************************************** ¦> ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦

Hi Robert, Following your suggestions, it seems that we have identified Mary. Her sister, Sarah RUSSEL married Samuel LOCKSTONE of Little Sodbury at Horton 17th Oct. 1835. She was born Nov 1790, Horton. Parents Jeremiah RUSSELL and Elizabeth (Betty) WALKER, who among their other 9 children had Mary b 1778 Horton. Which leads to an interesting mix of RUSSELLs and WALKERs back to 1703. Sarah seems to have married late in life. I wonnder if Samuel Lockstone was a widower and this was a second marriage. Regards and thanks for your help, Keith

Hello Bob, I thought I was confused before! I noticed the 2 WATTS/TOGHILL marriages on the BVRI but never thought they were connected. Silly me! The 2 witnesses were also TOGHILLs. Elizabeth TOGHILL married Henry CROOM 27 Oct 1834 Temple Bristol Mary Ann TOGHILL married John HOWELLS 22 Mar 1846 St Philip & St Jacob Bristol. The fathers for the latter were John HOWELLS & Stephen TOGHILL.(Both marriages from the BVRI) Do you have a birth date for Jane TOGHILL daughter of Thomas & Jane (nee WATTS) please?. I don't have a record of her. I know we have speculated on who George WATTS married before when we were trying to find the connection with Rose COOPER age 10 who was staying with George WATTS & his wife Jane on the 1861 census. jane's surname then was not known. Looks as if another little puzzle may be solved (fingers crossed). Many thanks Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: [HWK] WATTS, TOGHILL > Especially for Carole, who will like this. > > I went to Bristol Record Office, and checked two TOGHILL marriages. Here > are the details: > > 4th March 1851 St Philip and St Jacob > Daniel WATTS, of full age, bachelor, Dealer of St Philips, father Daniel > WATTS, Dealer > married > Jane TOGHILL, of full age, widow, of St Philips, Father Hugh WATTS, Farmer > Marriage by banns. Witnesses were Elizabeth Croom and Henry Naish. Henry > Naish was a witness of most weddings at this church at this time. > > Jane was the daughter of Hugh WATTS and Betty JACKSON. She previously > married Thomas TOGHILL at Horsley in 1822. Jane and Daniel were first > cousins. > > > 26th April 1856 St Michael on the Mount > George WATTS, of full age, bachelor, mason of Griffin Lane. Father Thomas > WATTS, Farmer > married > Jane TOGHILL, of full age, spinster of Old Park. Father Thomas TOGHILL, > Farmer > Marriage by banns. Witnesses were W.T.Sladen and Mary Ann Howells. > W.T.Sladen was a witness at most weddings at this church at this time. > Jane and George were first cousins once removed > > The second Jane TOGHILL was the daughter of the first Jane. Daniel WATTS and > George WATTS were first cousins. > > Other relationships are too complicated to think about until after > Christmas. > > It is interesting that the addresses and occupations differ from those in > the census. Jane and Daniel were in Bristol on 4th March 1851, but back > living in Oldbury for the census on 30th March. He was a farmer by then. > > Bob Lawrence > > ************************************** > R.P.& A.L.Lawrence > The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, > Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. > Phone: 0117 9504314 > ************************************** >

Especially for Carole, who will like this. I went to Bristol Record Office, and checked two TOGHILL marriages. Here are the details: 4th March 1851 St Philip and St Jacob Daniel WATTS, of full age, bachelor, Dealer of St Philips, father Daniel WATTS, Dealer married Jane TOGHILL, of full age, widow, of St Philips, Father Hugh WATTS, Farmer Marriage by banns. Witnesses were Elizabeth Croom and Henry Naish. Henry Naish was a witness of most weddings at this church at this time. Jane was the daughter of Hugh WATTS and Betty JACKSON. She previously married Thomas TOGHILL at Horsley in 1822. Jane and Daniel were first cousins. 26th April 1856 St Michael on the Mount George WATTS, of full age, bachelor, mason of Griffin Lane. Father Thomas WATTS, Farmer married Jane TOGHILL, of full age, spinster of Old Park. Father Thomas TOGHILL, Farmer Marriage by banns. Witnesses were W.T.Sladen and Mary Ann Howells. W.T.Sladen was a witness at most weddings at this church at this time. Jane and George were first cousins once removed The second Jane TOGHILL was the daughter of the first Jane. Daniel WATTS and George WATTS were first cousins. Other relationships are too complicated to think about until after Christmas. It is interesting that the addresses and occupations differ from those in the census. Jane and Daniel were in Bristol on 4th March 1851, but back living in Oldbury for the census on 30th March. He was a farmer by then. Bob Lawrence ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 **************************************

Hi Carole Thanks - I think it was you who sent me this info when I was looking at this side of the family last year. Would you be kind enough to do me another lookup on the 1861 Glam census? I am looking for Sarah WILLIAMS who is a widow and born in Glam c1799. She appears on the 1851 census at Cwm, Swansea along with son William (who was in Aust be 1861), and daus Mary bn 1827 and Margaret bn 1839. Thanks Fay Qld, Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: "anthony sharp" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: [HWK] Robert CREW > Here is the 1861 census entry for Delilah CAREY etc. > > Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD > > 4074 1861 CENSUS OF LLANGYNWYD LOWER. REF.R.G.9/4074, E.D.11. > > Piece: 4074 Folio: 019 Schedule: 049 > > Address: PENTWYN > > CAREY WILLIAM HD M 30 AG.LAB. WIL SUTTON (c1831) > > CAREY DELILAH WI M 30 SEAMSTRESS GLS HAWKESBURY (c1831) > > CAREY WILLIAM THOMAS SO - 4 - GLS HAWKESBURY (c1857) > > PITT JOSEPH BL U 17 IRON PUDDLER GLS HAWKESBURY (c1844) > > Best wishes > > Carole > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Cliff Ebley is part of the town of Stroud (Ebley Mill is the offices of Stroud District Council) and Long Elevens is probably Long Levens, outskirts of City of Gloucester Richard Teagle Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: Merren Cliff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 April 2003 06:47 To: [email protected] Subject: [HWK] Hughes - Wootten Under Edge; Ebley; Long Elevens I recently listed my interest in Albert Frederick Hughes whose father Frederick Hughes was born in Wootten under Edge. Another lister has pointed me in the direction of an 1851 census report of a family in Ebley which may be my Frederick. Address: Ebley HUGHES William HD M 40 Power Loom Weaver GLS Wottonunderedge (c1811) HUGHES Johana WI M 41 Power Loom Weaver GLS Wottonunderedge (c1810) HUGHES Sarah DA U 15 - GLS Wottonunderedge (c1836) HUGHES Frederick SO U 13 Cloth Worker Cutter GLS Wottonunderedge (c1838) HUGHES Elizabeth DA - 10 Scholar GLS Wottonunderedge (c1841) HUGHES Barnabas SO - 8 Sch GLS Kingswood (c1843) HUGHES Mary DA - 2 - GLS Randwick (c1849) Can anyone please advise where Ebley is? With help from other listers I now have some more information of the family, including a brother Frank, whose birthplace was listed in the 1901 census as GLS Long Elevens - can any one help with that? Cheers Merren ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== 2002 Get Together........This years will be on Saturday the 5th of October and will include The Pond Dipper's 40th birthday celebrations ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Bob It would be interesting to see who the witnesses were - whether family or strangers. Might give a clue. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC Carole Thanks for that information. Do you think they married in Bristol because everyone in Oldbury thought they were already married? Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 12 December 2003 07:33 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: Re: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC ¦ ¦ ¦Hi Bob ¦I can help you with the marriage - amazingly, it's on the VRI. ¦ ¦Daniel WATTS son of Daniel & Jane TOGHILL daughter of Hugh WATTS married at ¦St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol 4 March 1851. ¦ ¦Since they were both together on the 1841 census they took a long time to ¦make up their minds about marrying. ¦ ¦Cheers ¦Carole ¦ ¦----- Original Message ----- ¦From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> ¦To: <[email protected]> ¦Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:54 PM ¦Subject: [HWK] TOGHILL, CHAPPELL, ETC ¦ ¦ ¦> Hi all ¦> ¦> I am trying to sort out some of my TOGHILLs again. ¦> ¦> Hugh Watts TOGHILL (sometimes WATTS, sometimes TOGHILL) married Mary Ann ¦> CHAPPELL (various spellings) at Hawkesbury on 28th February ¦1875. Hugh was ¦a ¦> hawker and died in Chepstow R.D. in the September quarter 1876. ¦He was the ¦> illegitimate son of Daniel Watts and his cousin Jane Watts, but Jane was ¦the ¦> widow of Thomas Toghill, which is why he used both names. I have not yet ¦> found a marriage of Daniel and Jane. ¦> ¦> In 1881, Mary Ann TOGHILL is living with her parents (George and Jane ¦> CHAPPELL) at Beach Grove, Starveall, Hawkesbury. She is age 27 and a ¦widow. ¦> There are two children, listed as being in the house next door, but ¦clearly ¦> part of the same household. They are Alfred TOGHILL (age 6) and Rosa A ¦> TOGHILL (age 6 months), decribed as grandchildren of George Chappell. ¦> ¦> In 1891, George and Jane CHAPPELL are still at Starveall, with their ¦> grandson Daniel TOGHILL, age 16. I have not found Mary Ann ¦TOGHILL or Rosa ¦> TOGHILL in the 1891 Avon census index, but she appears to have had a son ¦> Walter, whose birth was registered in Chipping Sodbury R.D.in ¦the December ¦> quarter 1883. ¦> ¦> There is no sign of Mary Ann TOGHILL in the 1891 or 1901 censuses. Daniel ¦> and Walter TOGHILL are living in 1901 with their uncle Frederick Chappell ¦at ¦> Abertillery. ¦> ¦> Alf Beard's database on RootsWeb World Connect (are you on this mailing ¦> list, Alf?) shows that George CHAPPELL (born 1827 Little Badminton) ¦married ¦> Jane TOGHILL. Is there any evidence for this? I cannot find it in the GRO ¦> index between 1841 and 1855. ¦> ¦> Are Alfred TOGHILL (6 in 1881) and Daniel TOGHILL (16 in 1891) ¦one and the ¦> same person? Again, there is no suitable birth, under either ¦name, in the ¦> GRO index 1874-1876. ¦> ¦> What happened to Mary Ann TOGHILL after 1883, when Walter was born? Did ¦she ¦> remarry? There is neither a marriage or death on FreeBMD. ¦> ¦> Rosa TOGHILL is working in Battersea as a cook in 1901. ¦> ¦> Any help, or suggestions, would be much appreciated. This lot ¦seem to have ¦> been rather casual about relationships, registration, and surnames. ¦> ¦> Bob Lawrence ¦> ¦> ¦> ************************************** ¦> R.P.& A.L.Lawrence ¦> The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, ¦> Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. ¦> Phone: 0117 9504314 ¦> ************************************** ¦> ¦> ______________________________ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: ¦and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ¦ ¦============================== ¦To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy ¦records, go to: ¦http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ¦ ¦ ______________________________

Here is the 1861 census entry for Delilah CAREY etc. Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD 4074 1861 CENSUS OF LLANGYNWYD LOWER. REF.R.G.9/4074, E.D.11. Piece: 4074 Folio: 019 Schedule: 049 Address: PENTWYN CAREY WILLIAM HD M 30 AG.LAB. WIL SUTTON (c1831) CAREY DELILAH WI M 30 SEAMSTRESS GLS HAWKESBURY (c1831) CAREY WILLIAM THOMAS SO - 4 - GLS HAWKESBURY (c1857) PITT JOSEPH BL U 17 IRON PUDDLER GLS HAWKESBURY (c1844) Best wishes Carole

Hi Gary Yes, she married William CAREY in 1855 and moved to Wales where she shows up on the Llangynwyd Lower census. She was buried in Newcastle, St Illtud on 14 May 1862. Cheers Fay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Crewe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: [HWK] Robert CREW > Fay > > I note that Delilah PITT appears on 1851 Census, being the daughter of John > PITT 49 - described as a Butter dealer, and Kezia aged 47. > > Can't see her on 1861, presumed she had a change of name by then through > marriage. > > Gary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fay Carbis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:00 AM > Subject: [HWK] Robert CREW > > > > Hi Gary > > > > This is an interesting snippet. Delilah PITT is in my family tree. > > > > Cheers > > Fay > > Qld, Aust > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Crewe" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:32 AM > > Subject: [HWK] Robert CREW > > > > > > > Recently received a copy of the gaol record of Robert CREW who was > > "charged with having at Hawkesbury on the 16th of June 1851 feloniously > > assaulted one Delilah PITT and carnally ??? her against her will". > > > > > > The information, that I obtained from Gloucestershire Record Office is > > particularly informative as it gives details of Roberts age,height, hair > and > > eye colour, visage and complexion. Also states that he went to a Wesleyan > > Church?? > > > > > > As I have a family interest I am particularly pleased that Robert was > > found not guilty and was discharged 2 April 1852. > > > > > > Gary CREWE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > > > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in > > CAPITALS. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in > CAPITALS. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >