Hi Carole THe Hannah who married William COATES was born ca 1816 at Sherston . (1851 census) Her father was William CHAPPELL (marriage cert) Her christening can be found:- Christening Date: 16 Jun 1816 Recorded in: Sherston Magna, Wiltshire, England Father: William CHAPEL Mother: Hannah I have not investigated her further. I had not connected the two christenings with her though. This family is quite complicated and it loks like they were involved in a fair bit of deception. Hannah's son William appears on the 1851 census as William COATES. William was likely born at Hawkesbury. Free BMD gives Births Jun 1838 Coates William Chipping Sodbury 11 217 George appears on the 1861 census with mother and father at Back Street, now also called COATES, birth given as 1836, Chepstow. Looking to Chepstow you can find :- 1836 George Coates christened 23 Oct 1836, Trevethin, Monmouthshire, parents: William and Hannah COATES. It looks like they were living "as married" in Wales, but when they came back to Hawkesbury they needed to get married, the vicar made them (re)baptise the boys in the right name, but they continued to all call themselves COATES. Good Story? Doug Thompson on 23/2/04 10:35 pm, anthony sharp at [email protected] wrote: > Hi Robert & All > I've been having another think about this family and I'd like some second > opinions please. > > The IGI has a PATY CHAPPELL dau of Eliza CHAPPELL bapt 26 Jan 1840. I > suggest that this is Piety CHAPPELL who married George COLLETT. > > The IGI also has the baptisms of William CHAPPELL and George CHAPPELL sons > of Hannah CHAPPELL on 14 July 1839. Seeking inspiration from the BMD > certificates on the Hawkesbury web pages I found a marriage of Hannah > CHAPPELL, daughter of William & William COATES at Hawkesbury on..... 14 July > 1839! (Thank you Kath McIlwick) > > So I guess that Hannah CHAPPELL's children were baptised at the same time as > she was married! Did the Vicar do cheap rates for this? > > On the 1851 census there is a William COATES & Hannah COATES with the family > at Upton. No sign of George though. > > Does anyone know anything about this family please? > > Carole

Hi CHAPPELL goers. An addition to the last email. According to the 1851 census Hannah CHAPPELL was born at Sherston, Wiltshire. The BVRI has Hannah CHAPEL bapt 16 June 1816 at Sherston Magna, dau of William & Hannah. Carole

Hi Robert & All I've been having another think about this family and I'd like some second opinions please. The IGI has a PATY CHAPPELL dau of Eliza CHAPPELL bapt 26 Jan 1840. I suggest that this is Piety CHAPPELL who married George COLLETT. The IGI also has the baptisms of William CHAPPELL and George CHAPPELL sons of Hannah CHAPPELL on 14 July 1839. Seeking inspiration from the BMD certificates on the Hawkesbury web pages I found a marriage of Hannah CHAPPELL, daughter of William & William COATES at Hawkesbury on..... 14 July 1839! (Thank you Kath McIlwick) So I guess that Hannah CHAPPELL's children were baptised at the same time as she was married! Did the Vicar do cheap rates for this? On the 1851 census there is a William COATES & Hannah COATES with the family at Upton. No sign of George though. Does anyone know anything about this family please? Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "anthony sharp" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: [HWK] CHAPPELL > Thanks Robert > I thought you'd come across this before. > Do you know of any likely COLLINS around at the time? > > Carole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Millard" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [HWK] CHAPPELL > > > > Hi Carole > > I have looked at this one before I think Piety and George are twins of > > Elizabeth CHAPPELL the eldest daughter of John and Hannah and also baby > > Hannah born in 1841, Her mother Hannah only is mentioned on the register > as > > parent perhaps John Collins WATTS is a clue the father being a COLLINS but > > they are saving face. > > regards > > Robert > > Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "anthony sharp" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:56 PM > > Subject: [HWK] CHAPPELL > > > > > > > Hi All > > > A little teaser from my Australian cousin. Hope someone can help. > > > "John WATTS CHAPPELL baptised 22/7/1789 Hawkesbury (the son of John > WATTS > > > and Mary CHAPPELL born without the blessing of his parents marriage), > > > married Hannah HOPKINS (5/10/1816 Hawkesbury) Their children were Lewis > > > (1818), Eliza (1820), Aaron (b 1823 d 1824), Peter (1825), Jane (1827), > > > Piety (b 1828 d 1831), William (1839), George (1839), Piety (1840) and > > > Hannah (1841). > > > > > > I found a marriage for Piety CHAPPELL & George COLLETT and also found > them > > > and their family of 7 children in the 1881 Census at Rockstowe, Uley. > The > > > age for Joseph was 44 and that for Piety 41 that 'checked' with the YOB > > for > > > Piety CHAPPELL.. > > > However the marriage certificate shows the father of Piety as John > COLLINS > > > CHAPPELL. > > > > > > I note that there is a gap of 10/11 years between the birth of Piety who > > > died in 1831 and the next child I have recorded for John WATTS CHAPPELL > > and > > > Hannah HOPKINS and I now wonder if the last four children were not their > > > children but the children of another CHAPPELL namely John COLLINS > CHAPPELL > > > or if they are their children, the Piety who married George COLLETT is > of > > > yet another Chappell family". > > > > > > Any suggestions please? > > > > > > Carole.

Thanks Robert I thought you'd come across this before. Do you know of any likely COLLINS around at the time? Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Millard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [HWK] CHAPPELL > Hi Carole > I have looked at this one before I think Piety and George are twins of > Elizabeth CHAPPELL the eldest daughter of John and Hannah and also baby > Hannah born in 1841, Her mother Hannah only is mentioned on the register as > parent perhaps John Collins WATTS is a clue the father being a COLLINS but > they are saving face. > regards > Robert > Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anthony sharp" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:56 PM > Subject: [HWK] CHAPPELL > > > > Hi All > > A little teaser from my Australian cousin. Hope someone can help. > > "John WATTS CHAPPELL baptised 22/7/1789 Hawkesbury (the son of John WATTS > > and Mary CHAPPELL born without the blessing of his parents marriage), > > married Hannah HOPKINS (5/10/1816 Hawkesbury) Their children were Lewis > > (1818), Eliza (1820), Aaron (b 1823 d 1824), Peter (1825), Jane (1827), > > Piety (b 1828 d 1831), William (1839), George (1839), Piety (1840) and > > Hannah (1841). > > > > I found a marriage for Piety CHAPPELL & George COLLETT and also found them > > and their family of 7 children in the 1881 Census at Rockstowe, Uley. The > > age for Joseph was 44 and that for Piety 41 that 'checked' with the YOB > for > > Piety CHAPPELL.. > > However the marriage certificate shows the father of Piety as John COLLINS > > CHAPPELL. > > > > I note that there is a gap of 10/11 years between the birth of Piety who > > died in 1831 and the next child I have recorded for John WATTS CHAPPELL > and > > Hannah HOPKINS and I now wonder if the last four children were not their > > children but the children of another CHAPPELL namely John COLLINS CHAPPELL > > or if they are their children, the Piety who married George COLLETT is of > > yet another Chappell family". > > > > Any suggestions please? > > > > Carole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in > CAPITALS. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > >

Hi Carole I have looked at this one before I think Piety and George are twins of Elizabeth CHAPPELL the eldest daughter of John and Hannah and also baby Hannah born in 1841, Her mother Hannah only is mentioned on the register as parent perhaps John Collins WATTS is a clue the father being a COLLINS but they are saving face. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "anthony sharp" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: [HWK] CHAPPELL > Hi All > A little teaser from my Australian cousin. Hope someone can help. > "John WATTS CHAPPELL baptised 22/7/1789 Hawkesbury (the son of John WATTS > and Mary CHAPPELL born without the blessing of his parents marriage), > married Hannah HOPKINS (5/10/1816 Hawkesbury) Their children were Lewis > (1818), Eliza (1820), Aaron (b 1823 d 1824), Peter (1825), Jane (1827), > Piety (b 1828 d 1831), William (1839), George (1839), Piety (1840) and > Hannah (1841). > > I found a marriage for Piety CHAPPELL & George COLLETT and also found them > and their family of 7 children in the 1881 Census at Rockstowe, Uley. The > age for Joseph was 44 and that for Piety 41 that 'checked' with the YOB for > Piety CHAPPELL.. > However the marriage certificate shows the father of Piety as John COLLINS > CHAPPELL. > > I note that there is a gap of 10/11 years between the birth of Piety who > died in 1831 and the next child I have recorded for John WATTS CHAPPELL and > Hannah HOPKINS and I now wonder if the last four children were not their > children but the children of another CHAPPELL namely John COLLINS CHAPPELL > or if they are their children, the Piety who married George COLLETT is of > yet another Chappell family". > > Any suggestions please? > > Carole. > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi All A little teaser from my Australian cousin. Hope someone can help. "John WATTS CHAPPELL baptised 22/7/1789 Hawkesbury (the son of John WATTS and Mary CHAPPELL born without the blessing of his parents marriage), married Hannah HOPKINS (5/10/1816 Hawkesbury) Their children were Lewis (1818), Eliza (1820), Aaron (b 1823 d 1824), Peter (1825), Jane (1827), Piety (b 1828 d 1831), William (1839), George (1839), Piety (1840) and Hannah (1841). I found a marriage for Piety CHAPPELL & George COLLETT and also found them and their family of 7 children in the 1881 Census at Rockstowe, Uley. The age for Joseph was 44 and that for Piety 41 that 'checked' with the YOB for Piety CHAPPELL.. However the marriage certificate shows the father of Piety as John COLLINS CHAPPELL. I note that there is a gap of 10/11 years between the birth of Piety who died in 1831 and the next child I have recorded for John WATTS CHAPPELL and Hannah HOPKINS and I now wonder if the last four children were not their children but the children of another CHAPPELL namely John COLLINS CHAPPELL or if they are their children, the Piety who married George COLLETT is of yet another Chappell family". Any suggestions please? Carole.

Hi All Jill Martin who transcribed the Hawkesbury Document Index for Hawkesbury Historical Society has given me this new document and has allowed me to place it on my web pages for all to benefit from you can find it at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk/Churchhouse.htm Jill and Mike Martin are deeply involved with Lower woods trust at Hawkesbury more of which I will post soon but those of you that have been there know what a gem it is those that have not have missed out. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk

Bob You ask "What did the neighbours say?". They will all in the Beaufort and probably had other things to think about! Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS Carole Thanks for all that information. I try not to be prurient, but it does seem that the Watts family gave special meaning to the word "housekeeper". I imagine the Doctor returning on a dark wet night from healing the sick, and there is Sarah Ann with some cocoa and comfort. Who could resist? Not the doctor. Nor Sarah. Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 20 February 2004 07:47 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS ¦ ¦ ¦Further to the last message, FreeBMD has a death for an Ann COX June Qtr ¦1878 age 79, Chipping Sodbury district 6a 119. So it looks as if Dr COX's ¦wife died in June 1878 and he remarried in Feb 1880.to Sarah Ann WATTS. So ¦did he father Mary Ann whilst still married? Ooooooh Doctor! ¦ ¦Carole ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: ¦and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ¦ ¦============================== ¦Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration ¦Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. ¦http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ¦ ¦

Carole Thanks for all that information. I try not to be prurient, but it does seem that the Watts family gave special meaning to the word "housekeeper". I imagine the Doctor returning on a dark wet night from healing the sick, and there is Sarah Ann with some cocoa and comfort. Who could resist? Not the doctor. Nor Sarah. What did the neighbours say? Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 20 February 2004 07:47 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS ¦ ¦ ¦Further to the last message, FreeBMD has a death for an Ann COX June Qtr ¦1878 age 79, Chipping Sodbury district 6a 119. So it looks as if Dr COX's ¦wife died in June 1878 and he remarried in Feb 1880.to Sarah Ann WATTS. So ¦did he father Mary Ann whilst still married? Ooooooh Doctor! ¦ ¦Carole ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: ¦and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ¦ ¦============================== ¦Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration ¦Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. ¦http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ¦ ¦

Further to the last message, FreeBMD has a death for an Ann COX June Qtr 1878 age 79, Chipping Sodbury district 6a 119. So it looks as if Dr COX's wife died in June 1878 and he remarried in Feb 1880.to Sarah Ann WATTS. So did he father Mary Ann whilst still married? Ooooooh Doctor! Carole

Thanks Marilyn - a kind thought. Robert has the 1871 census transcript on the Hawkesbury website and Dr COX was in Hawkesbury then - apparently living next door to the Beaufort, with his first wife, Annie, 2 children & a sister. 1871 census 27 Private 6 (next door to Beaufort Inn) William J Cox head 47 General Practitioner Marlborough Wiltshire Annie Cox wife 60 London Middlesex Annie Elizabeth Cox daughter single 19 London Middlesex John Bertram Cox son 17 single London Middlesex Eliza Cox sister single 53 Annuitant Beaminster Dorset Annie S Sollis servant single 15 Domestic servant Leighterton Gloucestershire (thought was in Wiltshire? I can't help feeling that , if Dr COX was a Doctor in the village from at least 1871 to 1901 there must be some anecdotes about him. I'm sure he must have been a nice kind Doc because of his later marriage to Sarah Ann WATTS and her raft of children.(even though one of them was probably his!). My cousin Kay has sent for the birth certificate of the first known of Sarah Ann WATTS's children, Naomi, to see if it names the father. He has also found on the BDM Index: Llewellyn Jeffry Watts birth Dec Q 1869 Chipping Sodbury 6a 174 and Mary Ann Watts birth Mar Q 1874 Chipping Sodbury 6a 204. The 1891 Census has Llewellyn Geoffrey Watts aged 21, single, Assistant Grocer, at the residence of William George Gale, Grocer, Long Street, Tetbury. Re the death of Llewelyn Geoffrey Watts -both the age (26) and the death registered in Tetbury would indicate that the Llewllyn Geoffrey Watts death in the Free BMD (Dec Q 1895 Tetbury) was for the son of Sarah Ann Watts. Cheers Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Moffat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS Well just to report a no show - I have occasional access to the 1891 census for Bucks - and Francis Ellis does not appear on it - so I can't provide any links for this visitor in the household - I thought I'd look in case the family was related in some way! Marilyn +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well just to report a no show - I have occasional access to the 1891 census for Bucks - and Francis Ellis does not appear on it - so I can't provide any links for this visitor in the household - I thought I'd look in case the family was related in some way! Marilyn +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS > Carole > > I still had some credit on my 1901 voucher, so I checked Isadore Cox on the > census. The family are all together, but the page ref may be different for > different members to confuse those trying to get information without paying. > > Details are as follows: > > 2409 49 1 > High Street, Hawkesbury > > William Isadaor Cox, Head, 77, union medical officer, born Marlbro, Wilts > (before they knew about smoking) > Sarah A Cox, Wife, 66, born Hawkesbury > Mary A Cox, 27, single, no occupation, born Hawkesbury > Winifred Andrews, grandchild, 6, born Rangemore, Staffs > Francis J. Ellis, Single female, 22, visitor, no occupation, born Solbury > Bucks > > A few more things to work out there! > > Incidentally, looking back at the previous information, it would seem that > Mary was the daughter of the doc, but born before her parents married. Hence > the WATTS/COX confusion. > > Bob > > > ************************************** > R.P.& A.L.Lawrence > The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, > Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. > Phone: 0117 9504314 > ************************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: R.P. & A.L.Lawrence [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 18 February 2004 18:34 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS > > > Hi Carole > > Here are some suggestions for the WATTS problem you posed today. > > It looks like Dr William COX married a widow by the name of Sarah Ann WATTS, > and she had children Llewellyn (born c.1870) and Ellen (born c 1874). > > I therefore looked for a male WATTS who had died after 1874, and found > Joseph, who was buried at St Mary's on 12th November 1874, age 38. He was > the son (baptised 25 December 1836) of Hugh WATTS and Margaret nee HYDE, who > married 27th November 1831. Here they are in the Beavington transcription in > 1851 > > WATTS Hugh 43 Ag Lab Hawkesbury > Margaret 45 Rodborough > Joseph 14 Hawkesbury > Eli 7 Scholar Hawkesbury > Daniel 3 Scholar Hawkesbury > Eliza Jane 1 Hawkesbury > James 35 Ag Lab Hawkesbury > > I looked up Eli and Daniel in the 1881 census and found the following: > > Dwelling: Channels Hill > Census Place: Stapleton, Gloucester, England > Source: FHL Film 1341604 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2506 Folio 101 > Page 3 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Danl. WATTS M 34 M Bristol > Rel: Head > Occ: Haulier > Ellen WATTS M 41 F Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England > Rel: Wife > Occ: Hauliers Wife > Wm. WATTS 9 M Bristol > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Eli. WATTS 5 M St Georges, Gloucester, England > Rel: Son > Albert WATTS 2 M Fishponds, Gloucester, England > Rel: Son > > It looks to me like Ellen and Eli have been listed twice - at their home and > where they were visiting. I could not find an older Eli anywhere. > > There is an Eli WATTS age 18 living in Stapleton in 1891, together with two > Ellens. I have found them on the 1891 Avon census index available at > FamilyHistoryOnline, but will need to check the original census for full > details. > > My suggestion therefore is that Ellen WATTS was visiting her sister-in-law, > together with her son. I do not know who Margaret BARTLETT was. > > I cannot find marriages for Daniel or Joseph on FreeBMD. > > I also found the death of a Llewellyn Geoffry WATTS recorded in Tetbury R.D. > in December quarter 1895 (Free BMD). > > Is there a prize? > > Bob > > ************************************** > R.P.& A.L.Lawrence > The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, > Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. > Phone: 0117 9504314 > ************************************** > > ¦-----Original Message----- > ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] > ¦Sent: 18 February 2004 07:05 > ¦To: [email protected] > ¦Subject: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS > ¦ > ¦ > ¦ > ¦> > Hi All > ¦> > I'd like to find out something about Hawkesbury's General Practitioner > ¦in > ¦> > 1881, William Isadore COX. > ¦> > > ¦> > On the 1881 census he is at High St, Hawkesbury age 57, born > ¦Morelborow, > ¦> > Wilts.(In 1891 this is Marlboro) > ¦> > > ¦> > His Wife, Sarah Ann COX is 46 born H Upton and there is a stepson > ¦> Llewellyn > ¦> > WATTS age 11 born H Upton & daur Ellen WATTS age 7 born H Upton. > ¦> > > ¦> > Visiting the family and all born in Bristol are Ellen WATTS 43 M, > ¦> Margaret > ¦> > BARTLETT 14 and Eli WATTS 5. > ¦> > > ¦> > In 1891 William Isadore COX, GP Retired, Sarah Ann COX, Wife, Mary Ann > ¦> WATTS > ¦> > COX 17 Public Teacher National School & John Birham COX Son 37 > ¦Insurance > ¦> > agent born London are at Weston Villa, Hawkesbury. > ¦> > > ¦> > The 1901 census index has William COX, born Marlboro, Wilts age 77 as > ¦> Union > ¦> > Medical Officer, Hawkesbury. > ¦> > A Sarah WATTS age 66 is also at Hawkesbury but on a different census > ¦page. > ¦> > (I would download these but my vouchers have just run out and I don't > ¦> like > ¦> > using my credit card for this!) > ¦> > > ¦> > If anyone can fill in any gaps for me or tell me more about the Medical > ¦> > facilities in Hawkesbury I would be most grateful. > ¦> > > ¦> > Thanks > ¦> > Carole > ¦> > > ¦> > > ¦> > > ¦> > > ¦> > ¦ > ¦ > ¦ > ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > ¦When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: > ¦and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > ¦ > ¦============================== > ¦Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > ¦Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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PS to my last message courtesy of my cousin Kay Buchanan, who always seems to look at the BIVR when I don't. "Sarah Ann Watts. BIVR Index has a marriage of Sarah Ann Watts aged 45, father Hugh, to William Isodore Cox aged 56, father Caleb, on 9th February 1880,Bristol (St Philip & St Jacob, FHL Film 1596925). BDM Index has entries for both Sarah Ann Watts and William Isodore Cox Mar Q 1880 Bristol 6a 65. I am confident that Sarah Ann was the daughter of Hugh Watts and Margaret Hyde." So where did all those illegitimate children come from - and don't say under a gooseberry bush! Carole

Bob Excellent deduction! If there is a prize, you've won it. I owe you for your voucher so I'll buy you a drink next time! The plot may be a little thicker still. Daniel WATTS born Bristol in the 1881 census could be Daniel the son of Hugh WATTS & Margaret HYDE bapt Feb 6 1848 in Hawkesbury. Same age, just out on the birth place but that's not uncommon. Do you recall asking about a Sarah Ann WATTS recently?.She is another child of Hugh & Margaret WATTS and is the right age to have been Dr COX's wife (if she wasn't a widow but a single lady with countless illegitimate children). In fact, it was your question that set me off on this tack originally! Also, Joseph WATTS, brother of Daniel & Sarah Ann may have a prison record! Gloucester prison Record Q/Gc/6/3 Joseph Watts age 17 committed 24 Mar 1854 Labourer of Hawkesbury Upton Joseph Watts age 21 committed 21 Oct 1857 Labourer of Hawkesbury Upton I haven't seen these records so know no more. Nor do I have a wife for him. Perhaps he couldn't fit in marriage and prison. As GP and Union Medical Officer I'm sure Dr Cox must feature in the records somewhere. I find it all quite intriguing and would love to know more. I'll keep on digging! Many thanks Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.P. & A.L.Lawrence" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS Carole I still had some credit on my 1901 voucher, so I checked Isadore Cox on the census. The family are all together, but the page ref may be different for different members to confuse those trying to get information without paying. Details are as follows: 2409 49 1 High Street, Hawkesbury William Isadaor Cox, Head, 77, union medical officer, born Marlbro, Wilts (before they knew about smoking) Sarah A Cox, Wife, 66, born Hawkesbury Mary A Cox, 27, single, no occupation, born Hawkesbury Winifred Andrews, grandchild, 6, born Rangemore, Staffs Francis J. Ellis, Single female, 22, visitor, no occupation, born Solbury Bucks A few more things to work out there! Incidentally, looking back at the previous information, it would seem that Mary was the daughter of the doc, but born before her parents married. Hence the WATTS/COX confusion. Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** -----Original Message----- From: R.P. & A.L.Lawrence [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 February 2004 18:34 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS Hi Carole Here are some suggestions for the WATTS problem you posed today. It looks like Dr William COX married a widow by the name of Sarah Ann WATTS, and she had children Llewellyn (born c.1870) and Ellen (born c 1874). I therefore looked for a male WATTS who had died after 1874, and found Joseph, who was buried at St Mary's on 12th November 1874, age 38. He was the son (baptised 25 December 1836) of Hugh WATTS and Margaret nee HYDE, who married 27th November 1831. Here they are in the Beavington transcription in 1851 WATTS Hugh 43 Ag Lab Hawkesbury Margaret 45 Rodborough Joseph 14 Hawkesbury Eli 7 Scholar Hawkesbury Daniel 3 Scholar Hawkesbury Eliza Jane 1 Hawkesbury James 35 Ag Lab Hawkesbury I looked up Eli and Daniel in the 1881 census and found the following: Dwelling: Channels Hill Census Place: Stapleton, Gloucester, England Source: FHL Film 1341604 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2506 Folio 101 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Danl. WATTS M 34 M Bristol Rel: Head Occ: Haulier Ellen WATTS M 41 F Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England Rel: Wife Occ: Hauliers Wife Wm. WATTS 9 M Bristol Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Eli. WATTS 5 M St Georges, Gloucester, England Rel: Son Albert WATTS 2 M Fishponds, Gloucester, England Rel: Son It looks to me like Ellen and Eli have been listed twice - at their home and where they were visiting. I could not find an older Eli anywhere. There is an Eli WATTS age 18 living in Stapleton in 1891, together with two Ellens. I have found them on the 1891 Avon census index available at FamilyHistoryOnline, but will need to check the original census for full details. My suggestion therefore is that Ellen WATTS was visiting her sister-in-law, together with her son. I do not know who Margaret BARTLETT was. I cannot find marriages for Daniel or Joseph on FreeBMD. I also found the death of a Llewellyn Geoffry WATTS recorded in Tetbury R.D. in December quarter 1895 (Free BMD). Is there a prize? Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 18 February 2004 07:05 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦> > Hi All ¦> > I'd like to find out something about Hawkesbury's General Practitioner ¦in ¦> > 1881, William Isadore COX. ¦> > ¦> > On the 1881 census he is at High St, Hawkesbury age 57, born ¦Morelborow, ¦> > Wilts.(In 1891 this is Marlboro) ¦> > ¦> > His Wife, Sarah Ann COX is 46 born H Upton and there is a stepson ¦> Llewellyn ¦> > WATTS age 11 born H Upton & daur Ellen WATTS age 7 born H Upton. ¦> > ¦> > Visiting the family and all born in Bristol are Ellen WATTS 43 M, ¦> Margaret ¦> > BARTLETT 14 and Eli WATTS 5. ¦> > ¦> > In 1891 William Isadore COX, GP Retired, Sarah Ann COX, Wife, Mary Ann ¦> WATTS ¦> > COX 17 Public Teacher National School & John Birham COX Son 37 ¦Insurance ¦> > agent born London are at Weston Villa, Hawkesbury. ¦> > ¦> > The 1901 census index has William COX, born Marlboro, Wilts age 77 as ¦> Union ¦> > Medical Officer, Hawkesbury. ¦> > A Sarah WATTS age 66 is also at Hawkesbury but on a different census ¦page. ¦> > (I would download these but my vouchers have just run out and I don't ¦> like ¦> > using my credit card for this!) ¦> > ¦> > If anyone can fill in any gaps for me or tell me more about the Medical ¦> > facilities in Hawkesbury I would be most grateful. ¦> > ¦> > Thanks ¦> > Carole

Carole I still had some credit on my 1901 voucher, so I checked Isadore Cox on the census. The family are all together, but the page ref may be different for different members to confuse those trying to get information without paying. Details are as follows: 2409 49 1 High Street, Hawkesbury William Isadaor Cox, Head, 77, union medical officer, born Marlbro, Wilts (before they knew about smoking) Sarah A Cox, Wife, 66, born Hawkesbury Mary A Cox, 27, single, no occupation, born Hawkesbury Winifred Andrews, grandchild, 6, born Rangemore, Staffs Francis J. Ellis, Single female, 22, visitor, no occupation, born Solbury Bucks A few more things to work out there! Incidentally, looking back at the previous information, it would seem that Mary was the daughter of the doc, but born before her parents married. Hence the WATTS/COX confusion. Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** -----Original Message----- From: R.P. & A.L.Lawrence [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 February 2004 18:34 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS Hi Carole Here are some suggestions for the WATTS problem you posed today. It looks like Dr William COX married a widow by the name of Sarah Ann WATTS, and she had children Llewellyn (born c.1870) and Ellen (born c 1874). I therefore looked for a male WATTS who had died after 1874, and found Joseph, who was buried at St Mary's on 12th November 1874, age 38. He was the son (baptised 25 December 1836) of Hugh WATTS and Margaret nee HYDE, who married 27th November 1831. Here they are in the Beavington transcription in 1851 WATTS Hugh 43 Ag Lab Hawkesbury Margaret 45 Rodborough Joseph 14 Hawkesbury Eli 7 Scholar Hawkesbury Daniel 3 Scholar Hawkesbury Eliza Jane 1 Hawkesbury James 35 Ag Lab Hawkesbury I looked up Eli and Daniel in the 1881 census and found the following: Dwelling: Channels Hill Census Place: Stapleton, Gloucester, England Source: FHL Film 1341604 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2506 Folio 101 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Danl. WATTS M 34 M Bristol Rel: Head Occ: Haulier Ellen WATTS M 41 F Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England Rel: Wife Occ: Hauliers Wife Wm. WATTS 9 M Bristol Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Eli. WATTS 5 M St Georges, Gloucester, England Rel: Son Albert WATTS 2 M Fishponds, Gloucester, England Rel: Son It looks to me like Ellen and Eli have been listed twice - at their home and where they were visiting. I could not find an older Eli anywhere. There is an Eli WATTS age 18 living in Stapleton in 1891, together with two Ellens. I have found them on the 1891 Avon census index available at FamilyHistoryOnline, but will need to check the original census for full details. My suggestion therefore is that Ellen WATTS was visiting her sister-in-law, together with her son. I do not know who Margaret BARTLETT was. I cannot find marriages for Daniel or Joseph on FreeBMD. I also found the death of a Llewellyn Geoffry WATTS recorded in Tetbury R.D. in December quarter 1895 (Free BMD). Is there a prize? Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 18 February 2004 07:05 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦> > Hi All ¦> > I'd like to find out something about Hawkesbury's General Practitioner ¦in ¦> > 1881, William Isadore COX. ¦> > ¦> > On the 1881 census he is at High St, Hawkesbury age 57, born ¦Morelborow, ¦> > Wilts.(In 1891 this is Marlboro) ¦> > ¦> > His Wife, Sarah Ann COX is 46 born H Upton and there is a stepson ¦> Llewellyn ¦> > WATTS age 11 born H Upton & daur Ellen WATTS age 7 born H Upton. ¦> > ¦> > Visiting the family and all born in Bristol are Ellen WATTS 43 M, ¦> Margaret ¦> > BARTLETT 14 and Eli WATTS 5. ¦> > ¦> > In 1891 William Isadore COX, GP Retired, Sarah Ann COX, Wife, Mary Ann ¦> WATTS ¦> > COX 17 Public Teacher National School & John Birham COX Son 37 ¦Insurance ¦> > agent born London are at Weston Villa, Hawkesbury. ¦> > ¦> > The 1901 census index has William COX, born Marlboro, Wilts age 77 as ¦> Union ¦> > Medical Officer, Hawkesbury. ¦> > A Sarah WATTS age 66 is also at Hawkesbury but on a different census ¦page. ¦> > (I would download these but my vouchers have just run out and I don't ¦> like ¦> > using my credit card for this!) ¦> > ¦> > If anyone can fill in any gaps for me or tell me more about the Medical ¦> > facilities in Hawkesbury I would be most grateful. ¦> > ¦> > Thanks ¦> > Carole ¦> > ¦> > ¦> > ¦> > ¦> ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: ¦and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ¦ ¦============================== ¦Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration ¦Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Hi Carole Here are some suggestions for the WATTS problem you posed today. It looks like Dr William COX married a widow by the name of Sarah Ann WATTS, and she had children Llewellyn (born c.1870) and Ellen (born c 1874). I therefore looked for a male WATTS who had died after 1874, and found Joseph, who was buried at St Mary's on 12th November 1874, age 38. He was the son (baptised 25 December 1836) of Hugh WATTS and Margaret nee HYDE, who married 27th November 1831. Here they are in the Beavington transcription in 1851 WATTS Hugh 43 Ag Lab Hawkesbury Margaret 45 Rodborough Joseph 14 Hawkesbury Eli 7 Scholar Hawkesbury Daniel 3 Scholar Hawkesbury Eliza Jane 1 Hawkesbury James 35 Ag Lab Hawkesbury I looked up Eli and Daniel in the 1881 census and found the following: Dwelling: Channels Hill Census Place: Stapleton, Gloucester, England Source: FHL Film 1341604 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2506 Folio 101 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Danl. WATTS M 34 M Bristol Rel: Head Occ: Haulier Ellen WATTS M 41 F Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England Rel: Wife Occ: Hauliers Wife Wm. WATTS 9 M Bristol Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Eli. WATTS 5 M St Georges, Gloucester, England Rel: Son Albert WATTS 2 M Fishponds, Gloucester, England Rel: Son It looks to me like Ellen and Eli have been listed twice - at their home and where they were visiting. I could not find an older Eli anywhere. There is an Eli WATTS age 18 living in Stapleton in 1891, together with two Ellens. I have found them on the 1891 Avon census index available at FamilyHistoryOnline, but will need to check the original census for full details. My suggestion therefore is that Ellen WATTS was visiting her sister-in-law, together with her son. I do not know who Margaret BARTLETT was. I cannot find marriages for Daniel or Joseph on FreeBMD. I also found the death of a Llewellyn Geoffry WATTS recorded in Tetbury R.D. in December quarter 1895 (Free BMD). Is there a prize? Bob ************************************** R.P.& A.L.Lawrence The Hazels, Sheepwood Road, Bristol, BS10 7BS, U.K. Phone: 0117 9504314 ************************************** ¦-----Original Message----- ¦From: anthony sharp [mailto:[email protected]] ¦Sent: 18 February 2004 07:05 ¦To: [email protected] ¦Subject: [HWK] Dr COX & WATTS ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦> > Hi All ¦> > I'd like to find out something about Hawkesbury's General Practitioner ¦in ¦> > 1881, William Isadore COX. ¦> > ¦> > On the 1881 census he is at High St, Hawkesbury age 57, born ¦Morelborow, ¦> > Wilts.(In 1891 this is Marlboro) ¦> > ¦> > His Wife, Sarah Ann COX is 46 born H Upton and there is a stepson ¦> Llewellyn ¦> > WATTS age 11 born H Upton & daur Ellen WATTS age 7 born H Upton. ¦> > ¦> > Visiting the family and all born in Bristol are Ellen WATTS 43 M, ¦> Margaret ¦> > BARTLETT 14 and Eli WATTS 5. ¦> > ¦> > In 1891 William Isadore COX, GP Retired, Sarah Ann COX, Wife, Mary Ann ¦> WATTS ¦> > COX 17 Public Teacher National School & John Birham COX Son 37 ¦Insurance ¦> > agent born London are at Weston Villa, Hawkesbury. ¦> > ¦> > The 1901 census index has William COX, born Marlboro, Wilts age 77 as ¦> Union ¦> > Medical Officer, Hawkesbury. ¦> > A Sarah WATTS age 66 is also at Hawkesbury but on a different census ¦page. ¦> > (I would download these but my vouchers have just run out and I don't ¦> like ¦> > using my credit card for this!) ¦> > ¦> > If anyone can fill in any gaps for me or tell me more about the Medical ¦> > facilities in Hawkesbury I would be most grateful. ¦> > ¦> > Thanks ¦> > Carole ¦> > ¦> > ¦> > ¦> > ¦> ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== ¦When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: ¦and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. ¦ ¦============================== ¦Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration ¦Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. ¦http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ¦ ¦

Don You might do better on the Bristol and Somerset List - to subscribe just email to [email protected] and type unsubscribe in the body of the text Brian Brian Beeche Comley - Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) FHS Member: Glam (#1433); Gwent (#1318); Wilts (#2186) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: [HWK] BRISTOL > I am not sure that I'm on the right list, I'm interested in the Bristol area. > If not could someone please direct me. Thank You > > Don Wilson

Hi Don This list is mainly concerned with families from the Hawkesbury area which is about 10 miles NW of Bristol, there is a Bristol List at [email protected] there is also a very good website for the Bristol area that covers the old Avon area (local government confusing everyone) which takes in South Glos, Bristol and Bath. http://www.bafhs.org.uk/ however if you need some help send me a mail. regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: [HWK] BRISTOL > I am not sure that I'm on the right list, I'm interested in the Bristol area. > If not could someone please direct me. Thank You > > Don Wilson > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in CAPITALS. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thank You for the proper web site Don Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Comley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] BRISTOL > Don > > You might do better on the Bristol and Somerset List - to subscribe just > email to [email protected] > and type > unsubscribe > in the body of the text > > Brian > > Brian Beeche Comley - Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) > FHS Member: Glam (#1433); Gwent (#1318); Wilts (#2186) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:15 PM > Subject: [HWK] BRISTOL > > > > I am not sure that I'm on the right list, I'm interested in the Bristol > area. > > If not could someone please direct me. Thank You > > > > Don Wilson > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > When replying to messages please make sure to remove ALL the "Re: and Hawks" bits in the subject line as otherwise these will be repeated. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I am not sure that I'm on the right list, I'm interested in the Bristol area. If not could someone please direct me. Thank You Don Wilson