Yes, I don't know why GULWELL was so popular in Hawkesbury. It was interesting to read that some names may have been like hyphenated names, but I don't think GULLY GULWELL would work. So must be a matter of choosing which name they wanted to use that day. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRIAN MORGAN" <brian.morgan9@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [HWK] Alias names GULLY/GULWELL/HOPE/HOPES > Hi, all > We have the example of GULLY and GULWELL. GULWELL seems to have grown out > of GULLY and at times (late 18c) one family was swapping from one to the > other. Some were baptised GULWELL and reverted to GULLY, some the other > way. GULWELL has consolidated and is particular to Gloucestershire, so > that everyone with that name had their origins in that county. Was the > original GULWELLl a result of bastardy? I don't think so - it goes back to > mid 1500s and GULLY to 12c. I suspect family feuding might be more > relevant, suggest as disputes about the correct name. Same thing happened > with HOPES, which i believe to be a variant of HOPE that started in the > Bitton area. Later families seemed to want to revert to HOPE and one of > those were to be the ancestors of Bob HOPE. He should have been HOPES but > his gf decided to settle on HOPE. Although the gf was born without a named > father (which would have been ENGLISH) there was already some uncertainty > in the Corston, Som., branch of HOPES as to H! > OPES or > HOPE; some switched more than once so they were 'aka'. The gf decided to > be HOPE. I wish I knew why! > Cheers > Brian Morgan > > Richard Teagle <r.teagle@wales.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi Sue and others > > - Bastardy is probably the cause in many cases, but among my JACOB > ancesters from N Wilts in 1600s/1700s I came across a declaration in a > Will that where there was no male heir to carry on the JACOB name, the > eldest son of the eldest daughter was to take the surname JACOB, and if > the eldest daughter had no sons it was to the the eldest son of the second > born daughter and so on. Fortunately his only son survived him, otherwise > I could see a potential problem for us genealogists in the future, but > have been wondering if situations such as this occurred in other families > and could be another possible explanation for the two surnames separated > by "alias". Was one the birth surname and the other the acquired surname? > > Richard > > ----Original Message----- > From: SSiss165@aol.com [mailto:SSiss165@aol.com] > Sent: 15 April 2005 10:18 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] MARTEN als WATTS and sim. names > > > Just an idle thought ....... and please shoot me down in flames if need > be. > > I've been puzzling about the incidence of 'als' names - especially as some > examples seem to continue for several generations. We have Carole's > example > of MARTEN als WATTS. In the Oldbury registers we have ALLENE als CHAPPE > and I > seem to recall seeing *** als POWELL somewhere along the line. > > Some 'one off' instances appear to result from bastardy. I can't help > wondering whether some other instances may just be early examples of > double > barrelled names, e.g. a MARTEN married a WATTS and combined the surname to > be > MARTIN-WATTS. This would explain why the combined name survived for > several > generations - perhaps only ceasing when there were no males to carry it > forward to > the next generation. > > What do you think? > > Sue > > > > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at > http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > Cyflogydd Cyfleoedd Cyfartal / An Equal Opportunities Employer::::: > Mae cynnwys yr e-bost hwn wedi ei fwriadu ar gyfer y person y'i cyfeiriwyd > ato yn unig. > Mae'r e-bost yn cynnwys gwybodaeth a allai fod yn gyfrinachol ac a allai > fod yn freiniol. > Os nad chi yw'r person a enwir (neu os nad ydych wedi'ch awdurdodi i > dderbyn ar ran y person a enwir) ni chewch ei gopïo na'i ddefnyddio, na'i > ddatgelu i unrhyw berson arall. > Os ydych wedi ei dderbyn mewn camgymeriad, gofynnir i chi ein hysbysu ar > unwaith ac yna'i ddileu. > Mae unrhyw farn neu safbwynt a gyflwynir yn yr e-bost hwn yn eiddo i'r > awdur yn unig ac nid ydynt o reidrwydd yn cynrychioli barn na safbwynt > Prifysgol Cymru. > Mae gan Brifysgol Cymru bolisi dwyiethrwydd. > Mae croeso i chi ohebu â'r Brifysgol yn y Gymraeg neu'r Saesneg, ac fe'ch > gwahoddir i roi gwybod i'r Brifysgol ym mha iaith yr hoffech ohebu yn y > dyfodol. ////////// > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. > The email contains information which may be confidential and which may > also be privileged. > Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive for the > addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. > If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy > it. 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Hi, all We have the example of GULLY and GULWELL. GULWELL seems to have grown out of GULLY and at times (late 18c) one family was swapping from one to the other. Some were baptised GULWELL and reverted to GULLY, some the other way. GULWELL has consolidated and is particular to Gloucestershire, so that everyone with that name had their origins in that county. Was the original GULWELLl a result of bastardy? I don't think so - it goes back to mid 1500s and GULLY to 12c. I suspect family feuding might be more relevant, suggest as disputes about the correct name. Same thing happened with HOPES, which i believe to be a variant of HOPE that started in the Bitton area. Later families seemed to want to revert to HOPE and one of those were to be the ancestors of Bob HOPE. He should have been HOPES but his gf decided to settle on HOPE. Although the gf was born without a named father (which would have been ENGLISH) there was already some uncertainty in the Corston, Som., branch of HOPES as to H! OPES or HOPE; some switched more than once so they were 'aka'. The gf decided to be HOPE. I wish I knew why! Cheers Brian Morgan Richard Teagle <r.teagle@wales.ac.uk> wrote: Hi Sue and others - Bastardy is probably the cause in many cases, but among my JACOB ancesters from N Wilts in 1600s/1700s I came across a declaration in a Will that where there was no male heir to carry on the JACOB name, the eldest son of the eldest daughter was to take the surname JACOB, and if the eldest daughter had no sons it was to the the eldest son of the second born daughter and so on. Fortunately his only son survived him, otherwise I could see a potential problem for us genealogists in the future, but have been wondering if situations such as this occurred in other families and could be another possible explanation for the two surnames separated by "alias". Was one the birth surname and the other the acquired surname? Richard ----Original Message----- From: SSiss165@aol.com [mailto:SSiss165@aol.com] Sent: 15 April 2005 10:18 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] MARTEN als WATTS and sim. names Just an idle thought ....... and please shoot me down in flames if need be. I've been puzzling about the incidence of 'als' names - especially as some examples seem to continue for several generations. We have Carole's example of MARTEN als WATTS. In the Oldbury registers we have ALLENE als CHAPPE and I seem to recall seeing *** als POWELL somewhere along the line. Some 'one off' instances appear to result from bastardy. I can't help wondering whether some other instances may just be early examples of double barrelled names, e.g. a MARTEN married a WATTS and combined the surname to be MARTIN-WATTS. This would explain why the combined name survived for several generations - perhaps only ceasing when there were no males to carry it forward to the next generation. What do you think? Sue ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx Cyflogydd Cyfleoedd Cyfartal / An Equal Opportunities Employer::::: Mae cynnwys yr e-bost hwn wedi ei fwriadu ar gyfer y person y'i cyfeiriwyd ato yn unig. Mae'r e-bost yn cynnwys gwybodaeth a allai fod yn gyfrinachol ac a allai fod yn freiniol. Os nad chi yw'r person a enwir (neu os nad ydych wedi'ch awdurdodi i dderbyn ar ran y person a enwir) ni chewch ei gopïo na'i ddefnyddio, na'i ddatgelu i unrhyw berson arall. Os ydych wedi ei dderbyn mewn camgymeriad, gofynnir i chi ein hysbysu ar unwaith ac yna'i ddileu. Mae unrhyw farn neu safbwynt a gyflwynir yn yr e-bost hwn yn eiddo i'r awdur yn unig ac nid ydynt o reidrwydd yn cynrychioli barn na safbwynt Prifysgol Cymru. Mae gan Brifysgol Cymru bolisi dwyiethrwydd. Mae croeso i chi ohebu â'r Brifysgol yn y Gymraeg neu'r Saesneg, ac fe'ch gwahoddir i roi gwybod i'r Brifysgol ym mha iaith yr hoffech ohebu yn y dyfodol. ////////// The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. The email contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. A ny views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the University of Wales. The University of Wales has a bilingual policy. 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Hi Sue and others - Bastardy is probably the cause in many cases, but among my JACOB ancesters from N Wilts in 1600s/1700s I came across a declaration in a Will that where there was no male heir to carry on the JACOB name, the eldest son of the eldest daughter was to take the surname JACOB, and if the eldest daughter had no sons it was to the the eldest son of the second born daughter and so on. Fortunately his only son survived him, otherwise I could see a potential problem for us genealogists in the future, but have been wondering if situations such as this occurred in other families and could be another possible explanation for the two surnames separated by "alias". Was one the birth surname and the other the acquired surname? Richard ----Original Message----- From: SSiss165@aol.com [mailto:SSiss165@aol.com] Sent: 15 April 2005 10:18 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] MARTEN als WATTS and sim. names Just an idle thought ....... and please shoot me down in flames if need be. I've been puzzling about the incidence of 'als' names - especially as some examples seem to continue for several generations. We have Carole's example of MARTEN als WATTS. In the Oldbury registers we have ALLENE als CHAPPE and I seem to recall seeing *** als POWELL somewhere along the line. Some 'one off' instances appear to result from bastardy. I can't help wondering whether some other instances may just be early examples of double barrelled names, e.g. a MARTEN married a WATTS and combined the surname to be MARTIN-WATTS. This would explain why the combined name survived for several generations - perhaps only ceasing when there were no males to carry it forward to the next generation. What do you think? Sue ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx Cyflogydd Cyfleoedd Cyfartal / An Equal Opportunities Employer::::: Mae cynnwys yr e-bost hwn wedi ei fwriadu ar gyfer y person y'i cyfeiriwyd ato yn unig. Mae'r e-bost yn cynnwys gwybodaeth a allai fod yn gyfrinachol ac a allai fod yn freiniol. Os nad chi yw'r person a enwir (neu os nad ydych wedi'ch awdurdodi i dderbyn ar ran y person a enwir) ni chewch ei gopïo na'i ddefnyddio, na'i ddatgelu i unrhyw berson arall. Os ydych wedi ei dderbyn mewn camgymeriad, gofynnir i chi ein hysbysu ar unwaith ac yna'i ddileu. Mae unrhyw farn neu safbwynt a gyflwynir yn yr e-bost hwn yn eiddo i'r awdur yn unig ac nid ydynt o reidrwydd yn cynrychioli barn na safbwynt Prifysgol Cymru. Mae gan Brifysgol Cymru bolisi dwyiethrwydd. Mae croeso i chi ohebu â'r Brifysgol yn y Gymraeg neu'r Saesneg, ac fe'ch gwahoddir i roi gwybod i'r Brifysgol ym mha iaith yr hoffech ohebu yn y dyfodol. ////////// The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. The email contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. A ny views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the University of Wales. The University of Wales has a bilingual policy. You are welcome to correspond with the University either in Welsh or in English and you are invited to let the University know in which language you wish to correspond in future.

Thanks Sue and Robert for your interest. When I first came across this issue of "alias" I found some more examples on the internet - see below. ANSWER A "Al" is the abbreviation for "alias." Aliases were used in cases of illegitimacy, upon remarriage of a parent, upon inheriting property from a female relative, etc. It was not uncommon for a man to take an alias if he married a woman from a family with as illustrious name (and especially if no male heirs lived to continue the said name). Oliver Cromwell often used "alias Williams because one of his ancestors (surnamed Williams) had adopted the surname Cromwell in the 16th century from his uncle, Henry VIII's minister, Thomas Cromwell (The Oxford Companion to Local and Family History and Ancestral Trails). In some cases the alias form was inherited for several generations and thus similar to the hyphenated surname today. ANSWER B In the earliest entries the name is spelled Wyckwarre, Wyckwarr, Wyckware, Wickwarr and Wickware. In a considerable number of entries in the latter half of the century the name is written "Wickwarr alias Clarke," or Clarke alias Wickwarr." This use of a double surname was quite common at that time, being somewhat analogous to the more modern hyphenated surname. It is probable that a marriage took place between a member of the Wickwarr family and a member of the Clarke family, and that both names were thereafter used, in order to preserve the right to an inheritance, or for some similar reason. ANSWER C Question: I have found some of my ancestors in North Wiltshire in the 16th and 17th centuries have the surname Peddington alias Tuck, which continues for several generations. What does the 'alias' mean in this case? Answer: The 'alias' in a surname can come about in several ways, including illegitimacy, the remarriage of a parent or the inheritance of property from a female relative. There are quite a few cases where the 'x alias y' name continues for several generations and in late medieval and early modern England it was the equivalent of a modern double-barrelled surname. There is the possibility in the inherited property usage that the name continued while the family still held the property originally inherited from the female relative. Back to me! I noticed on Robert's website the information about the MARTEN family and, in particular, that there were 5 daughters and no sons. Could the link between WATTS and MARTEN be somewhere here? I see that these 5 daughters were married off but did their descendants use the name MARTEN? Could one of them have married a WATTS? Cheers Carole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 14/04/2005

Diolch yn fawr y chi - or something like that. 'Bout the only phrase I can vaguely remember from Welsh lessons at school!!! I seem to have missed that Will somewhere along the line. I shall follow it up shortly. Many thanks Sue

Hi all Do you recognise any of these names please? I’m hoping that Sue will be able to identify Sarah IDDOLLS (if you’re not on holiday yet!) Will of Anne WATTS alias MARTEN of Great Badminton, Widdow of George WATTS alias Marten My Brother John CURNOCK Sister Mary BRYANT Sister Alice MILLS Sister Sarah IDDOLLS Two Nieces, Elizabeth daughter of James HALL and Hester Daughter of George HALL Nephew John WATTS alias MARTEN inherits the house in the garden of the shop and the shop. John WATTS alias MARTEN to be executor 9th May 1730 Witnesses Abraham ? SEWARD & ?????? Proved 24 May 1731 to John WATTS (not referred to as MARTEN) All contributions appreciated! Carole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005

Just an idle thought ....... and please shoot me down in flames if need be. I've been puzzling about the incidence of 'als' names - especially as some examples seem to continue for several generations. We have Carole's example of MARTEN als WATTS. In the Oldbury registers we have ALLENE als CHAPPE and I seem to recall seeing *** als POWELL somewhere along the line. Some 'one off' instances appear to result from bastardy. I can't help wondering whether some other instances may just be early examples of double barrelled names, e.g. a MARTEN married a WATTS and combined the surname to be MARTIN-WATTS. This would explain why the combined name survived for several generations - perhaps only ceasing when there were no males to carry it forward to the next generation. What do you think? Sue

All, Carole Nothing like an IDDOLLS to grab my attention!!! I can identify Sarah IDDOLLS. She is the daughter of Thomas CURNOCK & ?. She married Nicholas IDDOLLS son of William IDDOLLS & Sarah RICHMAN in 1708. As far as I know they only had the one child, also named Sarah. Sarah was buried 20 Feb 1737/8 in Oldbury. The John CURNOCK mentioned is Sarah's brother. I have the will of Thomas CURNOCK. It may already be on the website but I am more than happy to send anyone a copy if they would like. Cheers Sue

Hi Carole Its understandable why a WATTS would call themselves MARTIN but I can understand the opposite. I have a Will for I think its Thomas MARTIN of Badminton just pre 1600 and we have the early WATTS / STINCHCOMBE Quaker marriage there, I also have marriages for great Badminton 1545-1812 ish would you like a copy? regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: [HWK] Badminton & Wills > Hi Robert and All, > By coincidence I have just returned from Gloucester RO where I have been > poking around in the Wills section and having a very quick squint at the > Gt Badminton PRs. > > I have copied several Wills and other docs which relate to a family who > call themselves WATTS alias MARTEN or MARTEN alias WATTS; they seem to > be from Badminton. When I have had another look at my apaers I will let > you know more. > > If anyone has any ideas about why they would use these names (and it > continues for several generations)could they let me know please. > > Thanks > Carole > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Millard [mailto:robert@hawkesburyhistory.co.uk] > Sent: 14 April 2005 21:05 > To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HWK] Wills > > Hi All > Firstly I have uploaded the beginnings of a Badminton web covering > Little Badminton as well (see link below) > I also have the following Wills in pdf format from the PRO if anyone > would like a copy let me know if anyone fancies transcribing please let > me know (there's no pay involved but Marilyn is just itching to use her > bat now the cricket season has started) > Edward Tandy of Hawkesbury 1827 > John Goulter of Hawkesbury 1830 > Richard Hancock of Hawkesbuery 1649 > William Martin of Hawkesbury 1703 > I will make available for reading and searching online the > 1779 A New History of Gloucestershire by Samuel Rudder available for a > couple of months its a massive work abt 100 megs > I will also make it into a CD at a small cost, (proceeds to friends of > St Mary's Hawkesbury) for the upkeep of the church, its rather like > Biglands but not so much of the headstones but it covers a vast amount > of things of interest town by town village by village and encompasses > and corrects the earlier work of Sir Robert Atkins it also has a good > index. > regards > Robert > Visit my WebPages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and > then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Visit Robert Millard's local and family history web pages at > http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi Robert and All, By coincidence I have just returned from Gloucester RO where I have been poking around in the Wills section and having a very quick squint at the Gt Badminton PRs. I have copied several Wills and other docs which relate to a family who call themselves WATTS alias MARTEN or MARTEN alias WATTS; they seem to be from Badminton. When I have had another look at my apaers I will let you know more. If anyone has any ideas about why they would use these names (and it continues for several generations)could they let me know please. Thanks Carole -----Original Message----- From: Robert Millard [mailto:robert@hawkesburyhistory.co.uk] Sent: 14 April 2005 21:05 To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Wills Hi All Firstly I have uploaded the beginnings of a Badminton web covering Little Badminton as well (see link below) I also have the following Wills in pdf format from the PRO if anyone would like a copy let me know if anyone fancies transcribing please let me know (there's no pay involved but Marilyn is just itching to use her bat now the cricket season has started) Edward Tandy of Hawkesbury 1827 John Goulter of Hawkesbury 1830 Richard Hancock of Hawkesbuery 1649 William Martin of Hawkesbury 1703 I will make available for reading and searching online the 1779 A New History of Gloucestershire by Samuel Rudder available for a couple of months its a massive work abt 100 megs I will also make it into a CD at a small cost, (proceeds to friends of St Mary's Hawkesbury) for the upkeep of the church, its rather like Biglands but not so much of the headstones but it covers a vast amount of things of interest town by town village by village and encompasses and corrects the earlier work of Sir Robert Atkins it also has a good index. regards Robert Visit my WebPages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book lunch. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005

BLIMEY!! I hope its in English! Lisa (wondering what she's let herself in for!)

Hi All Firstly I have uploaded the beginnings of a Badminton web covering Little Badminton as well (see link below) I also have the following Wills in pdf format from the PRO if anyone would like a copy let me know if anyone fancies transcribing please let me know (there's no pay involved but Marilyn is just itching to use her bat now the cricket season has started) Edward Tandy of Hawkesbury 1827 John Goulter of Hawkesbury 1830 Richard Hancock of Hawkesbuery 1649 William Martin of Hawkesbury 1703 I will make available for reading and searching online the 1779 A New History of Gloucestershire by Samuel Rudder available for a couple of months its a massive work abt 100 megs I will also make it into a CD at a small cost, (proceeds to friends of St Mary's Hawkesbury) for the upkeep of the church, its rather like Biglands but not so much of the headstones but it covers a vast amount of things of interest town by town village by village and encompasses and corrects the earlier work of Sir Robert Atkins it also has a good index. regards Robert Visit my WebPages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk

Hi Robert, I'll do some for you - no particular preference as to which Regards Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Millard" <robert@hawkesburyhistory.co.uk> To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWK] Wills Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:04:41 +0100 > > Hi All > Firstly I have uploaded the beginnings of a Badminton web covering > Little Badminton as well (see link below) > I also have the following Wills in pdf format from the PRO if > anyone would like a copy let me know if anyone fancies transcribing > please let me know (there's no pay involved but Marilyn is just > itching to use her bat now the cricket season has started) > Edward Tandy of Hawkesbury 1827 > John Goulter of Hawkesbury 1830 > Richard Hancock of Hawkesbuery 1649 > William Martin of Hawkesbury 1703 > I will make available for reading and searching online the > 1779 A New History of Gloucestershire by Samuel Rudder available > for a couple of months its a massive work abt 100 megs > I will also make it into a CD at a small cost, (proceeds to friends > of St Mary's Hawkesbury) for the upkeep of the church, its rather > like Biglands but not so much of the headstones but it covers a > vast amount of things of interest town by town village by village > and encompasses and corrects the earlier work of Sir Robert Atkins > it also has a good index. > regards > Robert > Visit my WebPages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk > > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May > and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book > lunch. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

Robert, I'll do a Will transcription for you if you like - if you don't mind waiting 10 days or so until I get back from hols. Am happy to do the 1649 one if no one else fancies tackling the early handwriting. Cheers Sue Sissons

Hi Lorraine Petty France is in Hawkesbury between Hawkesbury Upton and Little Badminton, Thomas's father Thomas may have married Ann Jones married Hawkesbury 26 JAN 1817 or it could be another. John 29 Jun1817 Ann 21 Sep 1818 Thomas did marry Grace KILMINSTER 9 Feb 1819 at Hawkesbury Grace is Thomas's mother 1851 census Thomas born 1823 Hawkesbury Hannah his wife from Slimbridge Grace STAFFORD his mother aged 71 I have a copy of Thomas's Father's signiture on my web pages he was a free holder of Petty France and a voter In 1876 Thomas jnr was a witness of the Will of Hannah STINCHCOMBE of Hawkesbury Upton, regards Robert Visit my web pages at http://www.hawkesburyhistory.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "L & L.Shephard" <lodnles@ozzienet.net> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [HWK] STAFFORD family > Carole, > > Many thanks for your reply to my query on the STAFFORD family. Just > what > was wanted, but I now have the problem that "my" Thomas STAFFORD (who > married Hannah HATHAWAY) was *not* the son of Robert & Mary Ann THOMPSON)! > > Back to the drawing board ..... but just in case there is a connection can > you tell me about the location of Petty France where Hannah HATHAWAY was > born? Anywhere near Slimbridge? > > Lorraine & Leslie Shephard > Falcon, Mandurah, > Western Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:45 AM > Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > > >> Hi Leslie & Pam >> >> >From the St Marys Hawkesbury parish registers: >> >> Marriage No 85 27 August 1820 >> Robert STAFFORD otp and Mary Ann THOMPSON (X) otp Banns. >> Witnesses John THOMPSON (X) and Wm POWER >> >> No 57 4th April 1843 >> Thomas STAFFORD, of age, bachelor carpenter, Upton, son of Thomas >> STAFFORD, Carpenter & >> Hannah HATHAWAY, of age, spinster, Petty France, daughter of Thomas >> HATHAWAY, labourer >> Witnesses Thomas HATHAWAY & Elizabeth FRENCH >> >> >> I didn’t see a Thomas STAFFORD between 1819 and 1828 - no guarantees >> though! >> >> Cheers >> Carole >> >> >> > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Please remember when you post messages that SURNAMES should be in > CAPITALS. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi everyone, Here I am - being a problem again! This time my concern is with the Nathaniel who went to Anne Arundel Co in Maryland. I have the son of Nicholas of Killcot as being the relevant person, but the problem comes with the will of his brother Nicholas, dated 1709. In that will Nicholas directs his son John as follows "my will and do devise my son John do assist my brother Nathaniel in the management of his executorship and for time and trouble therein I give him forty shillings to be paid by my brother Nathaniel within six months after my decease". By 1709 the Maryland Nathaniel was dead (having died in 1673). But in Nathaniel's will, he mentions his brother John, his brother Nicholas and his sister Rebecca Handcocke. There is no mention of his sister Sarah (married to John Alway) or his brother Thomas. Have I got two separate families muddled up, or what is going on? Jenny -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

Hmm, I got my date from the parish register, not the BT. I'm fairly sure I copied it down correctly - I wonder if the PR and BT are different, or if I did actually make a mistake? REgards Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Thompson" <doug.thompson@virgin.net> To: ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWK] Descendants of Thomas Stinchcombe and Elizabeth Marten Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:28:09 +0100 > > I have 1 Aug 1725 > > Doug > > > on 13/4/05 7:21 am, Jenny Joyce at jenny.joyce@writeme.com wrote: > > >> 5. JOAN bap: 07 Sep 1699 at Hawkesbury > >> mar: William HALL 01 Aug 1725 at Hawkesbury > >> bur: ? > >> > > > > I have this marriage as 8th August > > > > REgards > > Jenny > > > ==== ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY Mailing List ==== > Look out for Get Togethers at The Beaufort: Next one is Sat 7th May > and then Sun 16th July. Contact Robert via his web site to book > lunch. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

Dianne has asked me to pass back her thanks to the list with a general appeal if anyone ever spots Romanys or Travellers. - Note her address in the middle of the message! Marilyn ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Can I say a big thank you to everyone who responded with info about the DRAPERs, LOCKs and gypsy references. I'm Treasurer of the Romany and Traveller Family History Society (RTFHS) <http://website.lineone.net/%7Ertfhs/> http://website.lineone.net/~rtfhs/ and as fellow ancestor hunters will appreciate tracking travelling ancestors isn't easy as they moved around a lot, and also used a variety of surnames depending on who wanted to know :-). RTFHS welcome any references to Gypsies and travellers and these can be sent to me Dianne dot Sutton at Tesco dot Net and I'll pass them on to be added to our database. We are also interested in any locations that refer to the travelling community such as "Gypsy Lane" or "Tinkers Bridge" and any info about regular stopping places. Thanks again Dianne

I have 1 Aug 1725 Doug on 13/4/05 7:21 am, Jenny Joyce at jenny.joyce@writeme.com wrote: >> 5. JOAN bap: 07 Sep 1699 at Hawkesbury >> mar: William HALL 01 Aug 1725 at Hawkesbury >> bur: ? >> > > I have this marriage as 8th August > > REgards > Jenny

Carole, Many thanks for your reply to my query on the STAFFORD family. Just what was wanted, but I now have the problem that "my" Thomas STAFFORD (who married Hannah HATHAWAY) was *not* the son of Robert & Mary Ann THOMPSON)! Back to the drawing board ..... but just in case there is a connection can you tell me about the location of Petty France where Hannah HATHAWAY was born? Anywhere near Slimbridge? Lorraine & Leslie Shephard Falcon, Mandurah, Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SHARP" <sharpafc@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-GLO-HAWKESBURY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: [HWK] STAFFORD family > Hi Leslie & Pam > > >From the St Marys Hawkesbury parish registers: > > Marriage No 85 27 August 1820 > Robert STAFFORD otp and Mary Ann THOMPSON (X) otp Banns. > Witnesses John THOMPSON (X) and Wm POWER > > No 57 4th April 1843 > Thomas STAFFORD, of age, bachelor carpenter, Upton, son of Thomas > STAFFORD, Carpenter & > Hannah HATHAWAY, of age, spinster, Petty France, daughter of Thomas > HATHAWAY, labourer > Witnesses Thomas HATHAWAY & Elizabeth FRENCH > > > I didn’t see a Thomas STAFFORD between 1819 and 1828 - no guarantees > though! > > Cheers > Carole > > >