Hulllshire was never a 'proper' county in the way that inspired other people to be proud of their county. People from Hull were no doubt proud to say tha they came from Hull and I don't blame them, its a fine place. But whatever its political responsibilities were Hull was never(correct me if I'm wrong) administered by the East Riding County Council; it was self administered even before it became a city. Cities were alwayss, up to 1974, self administered. Maybe some local government officer can give us a more precice definition. Richard Dawson