Hi Tony. Thank you for your help. Well, this will throw the cat among the pidgeons!! John Watson Coates was married twice himself! Gertrude died in 1903 and he married a Thirza Hanson whom I can find no information for. She was one of those wicked stepmothers from what my mum has told me as her poor mother was JW's daughter! Many thanks Angela and Tony. Regards, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail server" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues > Hello Susan (and Angela) > > Can I add my tuppence worth? I think the most likely candidate is Gertrude > (full name Gertrude Harriet E Hagues). > > Of the children Angela mentions in the 1881 census, Martha Ann marries > Frederick W Scott in 1881 (from FreeBMD and YorkshireBMD) so the children > can't be hers; James Frederick (not Frank) would only have been about 15 > or 16 years old when Ann was born so although possible, its unlikely (and > wouldn't the child have stayed with the mother?). So the obvious candidate > is Gertrude and given that she is still living with her parents in 1891 > and the children are also there makes it more feasible. From the 1861 & > 1871 census, there don't appear to be any more children who could possibly > be the mother/father. > > Gertrude married John Watson Coates in Sculcoates Register Office in 1893 > (FreeBMD, YorkshireBMD & 1901 Census). If Ann IS the daughter of Gertrude > then presumably John didn't want another man's child in the house because > Ann Coates is still living with her grandparents in 1901 (in Cottingham) ~ > transcribed as HAGNES an Ancestry. > > Arthur Coates died aged 3 in 1891. > > James Frederick Hagues married Alice A Clark in 1896. > > Hope this helps! > I can send you copies of the census returns off-list if you want them. > Regards, > Tony > > From: "susan nielsen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues > > >> Hi Angela. >> I don't have access to any census except the 1901. Everything from this >> end is an expensive exercise I have already paid dearly for. I live in >> Australia. Thank you for your help. >> Regards, Sue >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Angela MacLellan" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues >> >> >>> Hi Sue >>> >>> Found them now - transcribed as HAGNER >>> >>> I assume you have 1881 census >>> >>> which has daughter Martha Ann Un 19 >>> Gertrude 14 >>> James Frank 10 >>> >>> If Ann & Arthur were born out of wedlock then you have candidates >>> Martha, Gertrude and if in wedlock James Frank >>> >>> The only way you will find the parents is to get the birth certificates >>> >>> looks as if the ref are: >>> >>> Ann Mar 1887 Sculcoates 9d, page 129 >>> >>> Arthur Jun 1889 Sculcoates 9d page 134 >>> >>> I have been unable to find Ann and Arthur in 1901 for further clues >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Angela >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "susan nielsen" <[email protected]> >>>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues >>>>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:54:13 +1000 >>>> >>>>Hi Angela. >>>>As far as I know, the 1891 census is... >>>>John Hagues Head 52 born Arnold market gardenr. >>>>Emma Hagues Wife 52 Hessle >>>>Gertrude Hagues 24 Daughter >>>>Francis H Hagues 12 Son Cottingham >>>>Charles 10 Son Cottingham >>>>Ann Hagues 4 Grandaughter. Cottingham. >>>>Arthur Hagues 2 Grandson Cottingham. >>>>I have not seen the census myself. All I need to know is who are the >>>>parents of Ann and Arthur. >>>>Ann has been a bit of a mystery to the family and I have found it hard >>>>to track her down. I did suppose that she might have been born out of >>>>wedlock but, not sure. >>>>Thank you for your help. >>>>Regards, Sue >>>>Arthur >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela MacLellan" >>>><[email protected]> >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:31 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [ERY] hagues >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi Sue >>>>> >>>>>Just had a quick look and no one coming up >>>>> >>>>>where would you expect them to be in Yorkshire >>>>> >>>>>Angela >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: "susan nielsen" <[email protected]> >>>>>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Subject: [ERY] hagues >>>>>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:25:19 +1000 >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi Listers. >>>>>>Would sks with access to the 1891 census please look up a John b.1841 >>>>>>Arnel and Emma Hagues I am trying to find who the parents of Ann and >>>>>>Arthur Hagues were. >>>>>>Thank you, Sue >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== >>>>>>This list is only as good as you make it. 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Hi Sue, From www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk I see that John Watson Coates & Thirza Hanson were married at Clowes Chapel in Hull in 1906 ~ perhaps there's some kind soul on the list who could do a look up for you? You might at least then have her father's name (which might not be Hanson if this was also her second marriage). Regards, Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan nielsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues > Hi Tony. > Thank you for your help. Well, this will throw the cat among the > pidgeons!! John Watson Coates was married twice himself! Gertrude died in > 1903 and he married a Thirza Hanson whom I can find no information for. > She was one of those wicked stepmothers from what my mum has told me as > her poor mother was JW's daughter! > Many thanks Angela and Tony. > Regards, Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mail server" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues > > >> Hello Susan (and Angela) >> >> Can I add my tuppence worth? I think the most likely candidate is >> Gertrude (full name Gertrude Harriet E Hagues). >> >> Of the children Angela mentions in the 1881 census, Martha Ann marries >> Frederick W Scott in 1881 (from FreeBMD and YorkshireBMD) so the children >> can't be hers; James Frederick (not Frank) would only have been about 15 >> or 16 years old when Ann was born so although possible, its unlikely (and >> wouldn't the child have stayed with the mother?). So the obvious >> candidate is Gertrude and given that she is still living with her parents >> in 1891 and the children are also there makes it more feasible. From the >> 1861 & 1871 census, there don't appear to be any more children who could >> possibly be the mother/father. >> >> Gertrude married John Watson Coates in Sculcoates Register Office in 1893 >> (FreeBMD, YorkshireBMD & 1901 Census). If Ann IS the daughter of Gertrude >> then presumably John didn't want another man's child in the house because >> Ann Coates is still living with her grandparents in 1901 (in Cottingham) >> ~ transcribed as HAGNES an Ancestry. >> >> Arthur Coates died aged 3 in 1891. >> >> James Frederick Hagues married Alice A Clark in 1896. >> >> Hope this helps! >> I can send you copies of the census returns off-list if you want them. >> Regards, >> Tony >> >> From: "susan nielsen" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues >> >> >>> Hi Angela. >>> I don't have access to any census except the 1901. Everything from this >>> end is an expensive exercise I have already paid dearly for. I live in >>> Australia. Thank you for your help. >>> Regards, Sue >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Angela MacLellan" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues >>> >>> >>>> Hi Sue >>>> >>>> Found them now - transcribed as HAGNER >>>> >>>> I assume you have 1881 census >>>> >>>> which has daughter Martha Ann Un 19 >>>> Gertrude 14 >>>> James Frank 10 >>>> >>>> If Ann & Arthur were born out of wedlock then you have candidates >>>> Martha, Gertrude and if in wedlock James Frank >>>> >>>> The only way you will find the parents is to get the birth certificates >>>> >>>> looks as if the ref are: >>>> >>>> Ann Mar 1887 Sculcoates 9d, page 129 >>>> >>>> Arthur Jun 1889 Sculcoates 9d page 134 >>>> >>>> I have been unable to find Ann and Arthur in 1901 for further clues >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Angela >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "susan nielsen" <[email protected]> >>>>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Subject: Re: [ERY] hagues >>>>>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:54:13 +1000 >>>>> >>>>>Hi Angela. >>>>>As far as I know, the 1891 census is... >>>>>John Hagues Head 52 born Arnold market gardenr. >>>>>Emma Hagues Wife 52 Hessle >>>>>Gertrude Hagues 24 Daughter >>>>>Francis H Hagues 12 Son Cottingham >>>>>Charles 10 Son Cottingham >>>>>Ann Hagues 4 Grandaughter. Cottingham. >>>>>Arthur Hagues 2 Grandson Cottingham. >>>>>I have not seen the census myself. All I need to know is who are the >>>>>parents of Ann and Arthur. >>>>>Ann has been a bit of a mystery to the family and I have found it hard >>>>>to track her down. I did suppose that she might have been born out of >>>>>wedlock but, not sure. >>>>>Thank you for your help. >>>>>Regards, Sue >>>>>Arthur >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela MacLellan" >>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:31 PM >>>>>Subject: RE: [ERY] hagues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi Sue >>>>>> >>>>>>Just had a quick look and no one coming up >>>>>> >>>>>>where would you expect them to be in Yorkshire >>>>>> >>>>>>Angela >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>From: "susan nielsen" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Subject: [ERY] hagues >>>>>>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:25:19 +1000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Listers. >>>>>>>Would sks with access to the 1891 census please look up a John b.1841 >>>>>>>Arnel and Emma Hagues I am trying to find who the parents of Ann and >>>>>>>Arthur Hagues were. >>>>>>>Thank you, Sue >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>This list is only as good as you make it. 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