Hi Lilian, Thanks for this. I haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and Ellen in 1832, but I have thought about it and I think you are right, if I check the Cottingham burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her listed there. I have often come across this in my research, where when one child dies, the next to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3 or 4 children with the same name born to the same family. This seems the case even more so when the child who died was given the name of the parent. The idea of this sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of so much infant mortality it was probably the norm. The more I think about it, and the more advice I get from those of you who have replied, the more likely it seems that Ellen's father was George, not Charles as stated in the records. We all make mistakes, and as you say both George and Charles (plus John and Thomas, likely to be other sons of William and Elizabeth) were having children baptised in Cottingham around that time. Incidentally I wasn't serious about an illicit affair between Charles and his sister-in-law and the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to escape the backlash!!! :-) Regards, Jan > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:40:55 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Jan> > Possible scenario for your PLAXTON family. > > William and Elizabeth married and had their children 1786 thru to 1901 one> of which was William b 1792 and another George born 1808> > William b 1792 married Elizabeth in 1816> George b 1808 married Ellen/Helen in 1827> Children> Fanny 1828 > Mary 1830> Ellen 1832 (This Ellen may have died, have you read the burial records for> Cottingham)> Martha 1834 (died young maybe?> Ellen 1836 (Probably Charles as father is an error,it should be George)> George 1838> Elizabeth 1840> Charles 1842> Hannah 1848> > Charles, (who was the brother of George), married Mary TRAIN in 1819 and> both brothers were having children baptised at Cottingham so it is highly> likely there was some confusion.> > > Lillian> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2008 7:38 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi All,> > I am trying to unravel a mystery surrounding my husband's GG grandmother> Ellen PLAXTON, I have been to the archives at Beverley today to check, and> have come back more confused than ever!> > Ellen's marriage to James MORLEY in 1855 gives her age on the certificate as> 19 and her father as George PLAXTON, which points to a birth in 1836. The> IGI and the Cottingham microfiche have a baptism for Ellen PLAXTON in 1836,> father Charles (!!) mother Ellen, and one in 1832 with a father George and> mother Ellen. Ellen's census shows her age matching a birth in 1835/36, and> she was buried in Cottingham cemetery in 1900, where the age on her> headstone is 65. > > The IGI has a marriage in 1827 of George PLAXTON and Ellen DOPER (on the> microfiche it definitely isn't DOPER, though it is difficult to tell exactly> what is does say) and a marriage of Charles PLAXTON and Mary TRAIN (not> Ellen!) in 1819. (I think this Charles is the older brother of George). My> FTM 2008 software brings up an Ancestry One World Tree match for Charles> suggesting he died in Ontario, Canada and I haven't been able to find him on> any English census. Ellen is living with George and Ellen in 1851, in 1841> aged 5 she is living with William and Elizabeth KIRMAN.....I haven't even> begun to look at their connection with this puzzle yet!!> > So I have 3 questions.> 1. Does anyone have any of these Cottingham PLAXTONS in their tree and can> shed any light on any of this? 2. Is it likely the PR could be wrong? 3.> Does anyone know where I can find out if and when Charles went to Canada,> and who went with him?> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap http://www.bigsnapsearch.com

Jan I am not sure how one can get definite proof but for all its worth, this next information is assumption only. There is a William PLAXTON who married Elizabeth DOSSER and I think this could be your William senior. Elizabeth had a daughter named Helen/Ellen and I think this could be your Ellen DOPER. (written as long f for double S but looks like P). In other words two brothers married a mother and daughter. Both the females had illeg status as did their grandmother. I have only the parish records of the various events to make this assumption but if you can find any further evidence it might support or discount what I have written. Lillian -----Original Message----- From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 12:18 a.m. To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham Hi Lilian, Thanks for this. I haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and Ellen in 1832, but I have thought about it and I think you are right, if I check the Cottingham burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her listed there. I have often come across this in my research, where when one child dies, the next to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3 or 4 children with the same name born to the same family. This seems the case even more so when the child who died was given the name of the parent. The idea of this sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of so much infant mortality it was probably the norm. The more I think about it, and the more advice I get from those of you who have replied, the more likely it seems that Ellen's father was George, not Charles as stated in the records. We all make mistakes, and as you say both George and Charles (plus John and Thomas, likely to be other sons of William and Elizabeth) were having children baptised in Cottingham around that time. Incidentally I wasn't serious about an illicit affair between Charles and his sister-in-law and the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to escape the backlash!!! :-) Regards, Jan