Jan The marriage of William and Elizabeth can be found at All Saints, Sculcoates. The marriage of George and Ellen is at Holy Trinity, Hull Lillian -----Original Message----- From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 11:18 a.m. To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham Hi Lilian, Well this is VERY interesting!! The IGI has George PLAXTON marrying Ellen DOPER. I hadn't been able to find a Doper family anywhere, and I knew when I studied the printout from my visit to Beverley yesterday that there was an 's' in there and had decided even before your email that this was most likely DOSSER or DOSSOR. Apart from Charles, I haven't really taken note of any other siblings of George and hadn't realised that William had married Elizabeth DOSSER, but had I known this I would have assumed that this was Ellen's sister. Do you have access to the Cottingham PRs (or alternatively which parish you managed to find the information)? If so, would it be possible for you to email me with the relevant details, because I think I might need another visit to the archives next week after work!! Yes, I agree that none of us can really have definite proof once you get further than what you actually know as fact, and certainly before 1837 it becomes educated guesswork for most of us to a certain extent. I have several branches which have ground to a halt because of families all naming their children the same names, or finding IGI records of two people with the same name a few miles apart....and with no idea which is the right one, taking a stab in the dark just isn't enough!!! Thank you very much for this, it has opened up a whole new line of research. Regards, Jan > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: > Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:01:51 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Jan > > I am not sure how one can get definite proof but for all its worth, this> next information is assumption only. There is a William PLAXTON who married> Elizabeth DOSSER and I think this could be your William senior. Elizabeth> had a daughter named Helen/Ellen and I think this could be your Ellen DOPER.> (written as long f for double S but looks like P). In other words two> brothers married a mother and daughter. Both the females had illeg status as> did their grandmother. I have only the parish records of the various events> to make this assumption but if you can find any further evidence it might> support or discount what I have written.> > Lillian> > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent: Sunday, 6 April 200! 8 12:18 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi Lilian,> > Thanks for this. I haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and> Ellen in 1832, but I have thought about it and I think you are right, if I> check the Cottingham burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her> listed there. I have often come across this in my research, where when one> child dies, the next to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3> or 4 children with the same name born to the same family. This seems the> case even more so when the child who died was given the name of the parent.> The idea of this sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of> so much infant mortality it was probably the norm.> > The more I think about it, and the more advice I get from those of you who> have replied, the more likely it seems that Ellen's father was George, not> Charles as stated in the records. We all make mistakes, and ! as you say both> George and Charles (plus John and Thomas, likely to b e other sons of William> and Elizabeth) were having children baptised in Cottingham around that time.> Incidentally I wasn't serious about an illicit affair between Charles and> his sister-in-law and the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to> escape the backlash!!! :-)> > Regards,> > Jan> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap http://www.bigsnapsearch.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Lillian I do already have a printout of George and Ellen's marriage at Holy Trinity, and have also found William and Elizabeth's marriage on the IGI now you have pointed out that William married Ellen's mother. The record I was referring to was Ellen's baptism, tying her to Elizabeth DOSSER. From census it seems Ellen DOSSER was born in Cottingham c1810. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Regards, Jan > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:43:36 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Jan > The marriage of William and Elizabeth can be found at All Saints,> Sculcoates.> > The marriage of George and Ellen is at Holy Trinity, Hull> > Lillian> > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 11:18 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi Lilian,> > Well this is VERY interesting!! The IGI has George PLAXTON marrying Ellen> DOPER. I hadn't been able to find a Doper family anywhere, and I knew when I> studied the printout from my visit to Beverley yesterday that there was an> 's' in there and had decided even before your email that this was most> likely DOSSER or DOSSOR. Apart from Charles, I haven't really taken note of> any other siblings of George and hadn't realised that William had married> Elizabeth DOSSER, but had I known this I would have assumed that this was> Ellen's sister. Do you have access to the Cottingham PRs (or alternatively> which parish you managed to find the information)? If so, would it be> possible for you to email me with the relevant details, because I think I> might need another visit to the archives next week after work!!> > Yes, I agree that none of us can really have definite proof once you get> further than what you actually know as fact, and certainly before 1837 it> becomes educated guesswork for most of us to a certain extent. I have> several branches which have ground to a halt because of families all naming> their children the same names, or finding IGI records of two people with the> same name a few miles apart....and with no idea which is the right one,> taking a stab in the dark just isn't enough!!! > > Thank you very much for this, it has opened up a whole new line of research.> > Regards,> > Jan> > > > > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: > > Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:01:51 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON> Cottingham> > Jan > > I am not sure how one can get definite proof but for> all its worth, this> next information is assumption only. There is a William> PLAXTON who married> Elizabeth DOSSER and I think this could be your William> senior. Elizabeth> had a daughter named Helen/Ellen and I think this could> be your Ellen DOPER.> (written as long f for double S but looks like P). In> other words two> brothers married a mother and daughter. Both the females> had illeg status as> did their grandmother. I have only the parish records> of the various events> to make this assumption but if you can find any> further evidence it might> support or discount what I have written.> >> Lillian> > -----Original Message-----> From:> eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com>> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent:> Sunday, 6 April 200!> 8 12:18 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re:> [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi Lilian,> > Thanks for this. I> haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and> Ellen in 1832, but I> have thought about it and I think you are right, if I> check the Cottingham> burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her> listed there. I have> often come across this in my research, where when one> child dies, the next> to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3> or 4 children with> the same name born to the same family. This seems the> case even more so> when the child who died was given the name of the parent.> The idea of this> sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of> so much infant> mortality it was probably the norm.> > The more I think about it, and the> more advice I get from those of you who> have replied, the more likely it> seems that Ellen's father was George, not> Charles as stated in the records.> We all make mistakes, and ! as you say both> George and Charles (plus John> and Thomas, likely to b e other sons of William> and Elizabeth) were having> children baptised in Cottingham around that time.> Incidentally I wasn't> serious about an illicit affair between Charles and> his sister-in-law and> the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to> escape the backlash!!!> :-)> > Regards,> > Jan> > > > -------------------------------> To> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap> http://www.bigsnapsearch.com> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Win 100’s of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com
I have some parish references to ancestors (READ), in the early 1700s coming from the above place. The closest I can get now is Gembling, which is described as an "odd" village, in the Wold Wide Web site. Would this be the same place? Thank you Jan (another one) South Australia